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[biggiestomp]

There are good people doing good things and there are bad people doing bad things. But for a good person to do bad things, it takes religion.

Your advice is a perfect example of the immoral actions your blind faith leads to.

I'd hate to be your offspring

Condemnation of man. If not for my blind faith, it's comments like this that would lead a person to cut his throat. But, you wouldn't care. All your comments lead to how wrong or how bad a person has been lead by blind faith and their religion. But nothing immoral about your judgement on a man? Out of the mouth comes praise and worship, and out of the same mouth is like a deadly venom. Matter fact brother, my off-springs love me. Funny how you would try to use a perfect example as your logic and yet, no not what a perfect example looks like, because you deny Him! Your being like that nagging wife again, my Brother. Need to man up just a little more...lol Got to love the United Kingdom!

 

[needmesomejesus]

Well, if you want to beat the Devil out of your child, go ahead and do that.. But nobody should say it's wrong to beat your child

it is wrong; its child abuse; I'd hate to deal w/ God on the issue of harming his precious children

 

[dmdave17]

Seek biblical counseling on this one, Brother. Not worldly opinion.

Amen to that! Forgive me, but sloppy3's response sounded like it could have been taken right from some book on child psychology written by a secularist who believes that "it takes a village to raise a child".

Scripture supports corporal punishment for children. Proverbs 13, verse 24, tells us "Whoever spares the rod hates their children, but the one who loves their children is careful to discipline them."

The only other thing I would inject into this discussion would be to say that you do need to examine your own motives for the punishment you meted out. It appears to me that the severity of the beating you administered may have been too severe.

 

[surrender2God]

How you discipline your child is between you and God. I have three boys and if one of them was caught stealing something there would be consequences. I'm not sure how I would handle it if one of mine were in that situation. But I am sure that he'd get a spanking or he'd be doing some volunteer work at the store.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

I stole a box of crayons once and got caught and was discplined exactly as you said and I never stole another box of crayons to this day... lol.

Would you rather have your child learn there are serious consequences to stealing when it won't ruin his life or let him grow up and start stealing and have the criminal justice system teach him?

I know one person who never learned it growing up from their anti-discpline parents and is now doing years in prison for embezzlement of a lot of money.

No offense, but I don't want to pay money to incarcerate your child when they grow up and am glad you're teaching him stealing is wrong.

my 15yr was caught steal in a store. The owner of the store knew him and me so he called me up and told me about it. I came down to the store yesterday And paid for the item. A history book on comics. He did not call the cops, and I thanked him for that. I took my son home and gave him a long hard bare bottom spanking with the paddle. making sure he would not sit down for a while and he even slept on his bellie last night naked. He is grounded until further notice.

Now I feel guilt, did I do the right thing?

 

[AnandaHya]

ok did you talk to him and ask him WHY he stole the book?

what about other consequences and helping him learn how to EARN the money so he can BUY it himself instead of steal it?

did you spank him out of anger or because you actually think he will learn not to do such things?

I don't know 15 years old...I think you definitely did good laying down the law on him and showing him his actions have consequences, but I also think preventative matters are important too.

you can't change the past but if you pray and ask God to lead you, perhaps God will reveal what you personally can do to prevent your son's disobedience and lack of respect of others property in the future because covetness and stealing is a sin.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

Lots of good people acted like inhumane devils once state atheism got hold of them. They helped bring about the worst democide in the shortest period of time the earth has ever seen. Anti-religous ferver drove that. Then there are the Nazis... a million Lutherans abandoned their faith to become Nazis. They should have stayed Lutherans. Your theory that it takes religion to cause a good person to do bad things doesn't hold water. Lots of so-callled good people changed their behavior and did terrible things apart from any religion at all for all sorts of reasons and ideologies with state atheism being the worst of all.

There are good people doing good things and there are bad people doing bad things. But for a good person to do bad things, it takes religion.

Your advice is a perfect example of the immoral actions your blind faith leads to.

I'd hate to be your offspring

 

[yaright]

Everyone steals something before they leave home. I had anger issues, so I made a rule in my house that if one of my sons made a punishable offense, one swat! But if there was a lie involved, two swats!

When I was about five years old, I received a brand new tricycle. We lived close to the center of town. One day I got on my new machine and went for a grand tour that eventually led me into the main street in town. I remember the screeching of tires and a shiny bumper coming to a stop just inches from me. I thought that silver bumper was so cool (I didn't have a clue what had just happened). Turns out the shiny silver bumper belonged to the local police officers. One picked me up and the other picked my machine up and put it somewhere out of my sight.

When they found my address, they brought me up to the house an knocked. Mom opened the door, and the officer said something about taking better care of me. She took me by the hand and pulled me inside with one hand, and the other hand was holding a belt which I'd never seen before.

When mom closed the door, she began whipping me into waves of unconsciousness. Blood was running through my clothes from head (my face and ears) to toes. I have a vague memory of being dragged across the floor and being thrown into a strange room. The pain was incredible. The next day, she came in and saw the mess of blood all over my clothes and began to take my clothes off which were matted to me. All the wounds were reopened. I looked at my body that had stripes all over it. She took me into the bath room and put me in a tub of water, and then left. I wanted to know why my face hurt do bad, so I climb up on something and looked into a mirror. There were stripes on my face and the sides of my head.

Some time later, I was sitting on a couch and a book of animals was given to me. I turned the pages with the curiosity of a child, until I came to a picture of a zebra. I wept uncontrollably. I was asked why; and I could not answer. I didn't know God did this to animals too.

I will say very clearly to you; You have anger issues. Do not feel guilty for what you have done, This is who you are, and someone suffered so that you can see this. Learn from it.

 

[Fencepost]

my 15yr was caught steal in a store. The owner of the store knew him and me so he called me up and told me about it. I came down to the store yesterday And paid for the item. A history book on comics. He did not call the cops, and I thanked him for that. I took my son home and gave him a long hard bare bottom spanking with the paddle. making sure he would not sit down for a while and he even slept on his bellie last night naked. He is grounded until further notice.

Now I feel guilt, did I do the right thing?

Why exactly did you make him sleep on his belly naked? because he stold!

 

[biggiestomp]

Why exactly did you make him sleep on his belly naked? because he stold!

I don't believe he had him sleep that way, good question tho. His son slept that way, i'm gathering, due to his bottom hurting him. If that being the case, dude you should really get biblical counseling.

I would never wish to hurt my own to that point. I've stolen when i was young and my punishment was far worst then a beating. I've spent the whole summer in doors and was a servant to the house for three months. I had an Aunt who was a Captain at a Men's prison.

So it's not so much that i approve of beatings. I am, however, against condemnation of man by other men. Totally against guilting someone into submission. There maybe a time where a spanking might be needed. But i wouldn't say, i am an expert on that matter.

 

[loveschild]

my 15yr was caught steal in a store. The owner of the store knew him and me so he called me up and told me about it. I came down to the store yesterday And paid for the item. A history book on comics. He did not call the cops, and I thanked him for that. I took my son home and gave him a long hard bare bottom spanking with the paddle. making sure he would not sit down for a while and he even slept on his bellie last night naked. He is grounded until further notice.

Now I feel guilt, did I do the right thing?

My son did something even worse but on the same order. I was so ashamed of him I slapped his face. I didn't feel quilt about it.

You need to tell your son your sorry. He did do wrong. We all do. But to beat him so bad like that you most likely just made him hate you.

We both acted out of anger.

 

[message75]

I believe that the reason why we're not allowed to spank our children this day in age is because parents with mental and physical impairments abused their children in the past. Those parents who have raised their children with spanking in their household should not be held by the legal system responsibile. If you look at the lack of respect that children have for their parents these days, perhaps it's because they're no longer asked to take the switch off of the tree for a whipping when they've done wrong. Crime rates are higher now than they were before these laws went into effect. I was spanked as a child, and desired to please my parents holding much respect for them. However, it seems this child that I am raising who was not spanked & was placed in time out lacks repect for me, and only chooses to please herself. I am afraid that I may have been wrong to use time out.

 

[Fencepost]

Hmm, there is a difference between dicipline and abuse. Abuse causes low self esteem, pain in anguish in the depth of ones soul. Dicipline should build up and never tear down. Believe me I know what abuse is: The aweful side-effect of being abused by a loved-one is that, that abuse can cause one such as myself to lose any identity of self or self-forgiveness because I was abused. So my question is how does one overcome that. Also how does one such as myself learn to truly forgive those that abused me?

 

[Fencepost]

Hmm, there is a difference between dicipline and abuse. Abuse causes low self esteem, pain in anguish in the depth of ones soul. Dicipline should build up and never tear down. Believe me I know what abuse is: The aweful side-effect of being abused by a loved-one is that, that abuse can cause one such as myself to lose any identity of self or self-forgiveness because I was abused. So my question is how does one overcome that. Also how does one such as myself learn to truly forgive those that abused me?

The answer to this question is simple Jesus of Nazereth in whom all things are possible. He is the Alpha and Omega. He is the author and finisher of our faith.

 

[Fencepost]

<Jumping Jelliebeans Batman> None left to reply.

 

[leelee]

I think the punishment did not fit the crime. I am surprised your 15 year old accepted being beaten.
15 is too old. At 15 dissapointment and a loss of privleges is by far a greater punishment.
I am also concerned as the extent that you beat him seems to have been more from a heart of anger than from punishment. If you do resort to spanking or other such physical punishments it is important that they are done from a place of reflection, only then can you decide how many smacks should be given.
I was spanked as a child, sometimes I had bruises but my parents never struck me out of anger and once I reached school age it stopped.

You should indeed pray on this.

 

[leelee]

Need to man up just a little more...lol Got to love the United Kingdom!

I hope that the sarcasm I detect in this is not actually there. However if it is.....please do not insult an entire nation because of one persons remarks. And aside from that I believe he displays an English flag and not that of the UK.

 

[Ramon]

Shouldn't we be searching for bobby...

hmm.

 

[Wonderland]

If I had to guess I would say you beat your 15 year old out of your own feelings of shame and guilt that your child stole something. You were angry and you lashed out at a child. You owe him a big apology. And thank goodness this is anonymous because I am a mandated reporter and from what you described I would have to report you for child abuse.

 

[bepy5786]

Well he's 15 i don't think you should have spanked him, but rather pointed out what he did wrong and if he continues to steal what sort of life style comes from it. Then again i am not a parent just giving insight