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If thats true (it's not), and we know most people will go into the fire, is God a puny dillweed who cant accomplish what He wants?
1st Timothy 2
3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

2nd Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

1st John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.


Sounds like you lied when you claim to not read Calvin, and need to give out of the reformed doctrine and into the doctrine of Christ.
 
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First it makes God out to be a liar, because He tells us He is no respecter of person, but Calvinism says He does respect some while not respecting other choosing some for Heaven and damning others to Hell with absolutely no chance of Salvation whatsoever.

Secondly it makes Him a rapist forcing Himself on the ''chosen'' whether they like it or not.

Lastly is makes Him a murderer creating some for the sole reason of damning them to Hell for all eternity.

The God of Calvinism is NOT the God of scripture that so love the world that He gave His only begotten Son, so that not one has to perish.
 
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Why Jesus ( peace be upon him ) can not be a prophet of God ??
 
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Why Jesus ( peace be upon him ) can not be a prophet of God ??
He IS THE Prophet Moses foretold about. However He is NOT JUST a Prophet but also the Son of God, Lord and Savior of the WORLD.

He is not just a prophet and Muhammad had it wrong.

Deuteronomy 18:17-19

New King James Version (NKJV)

17 “And the LORD said to me: ‘What they have spoken is good. 18 I will raise up for them a Prophet like you from among their brethren, and will put My words in His mouth, and He shall speak to them all that I command Him. 19 And it shall be that whoever will not hear My words, which He speaks in My name, I will require it of him.

so Mind how long have you been Muslim? I could be wrong but most who say "Jesus, peace be upon him" are Muslims...
 
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First it makes God out to be a liar, because He tells us He is no respecter of person, but Calvinism says He does respect some while not respecting other choosing some for Heaven and damning others to Hell with absolutely no chance of Salvation whatsoever.
No, God doesn't "respect" anyone in the manner you are using it. Arminainism does with the doctrine of Conditional Election. Calvinism has the doctrine of Unconditional Election.


Secondly it makes Him a rapist forcing Himself on the ''chosen'' whether they like it or not.
It doesn't make him a rapist. I would not say that about God ever. That is very dangerous ground you tread on. God doesn't "force", that's where Irresistable Grace comes to play.

Lastly is makes Him a murderer creating some for the sole reason of damning them to Hell for all eternity.
No, murder is unjustified killing. God is Objectively Good, and is the standard of God. Think about that for a bit.

However, under Arminianism, God sitll creates people fullwell knowing they go to hell in the end. So you don't avoid the issue.

The God of Calvinism is NOT the God of scripture that so love the world that He gave His only begotten Son, so that not one has to perish.
That's not what that verse says.

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life."
 
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Ephesians 4
17 This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth walk not as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity of their mind,
18 Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart:
19 Who being past feeling have given themselves over unto lasciviousness, to work all uncleanness with greediness.
20 But ye have not so learned Christ;
21 If so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus:
22 That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;
23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;
24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.

25 Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbour: for we are members one of another.
26 Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath:
27 Neither give place to the devil.
28 Let him that stole steal no more: but rather let him labour, working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth.
29 Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.
30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
31 Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice:
32 And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.
Ephesians 5
1 Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children;
2 And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour.
3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;
4 Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.
5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.
7 Be not ye therefore partakers with them.
8 For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light:
9 (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth
10 Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord.
11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.
12 For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret.
13 But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light.
14 Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.
15 See then that ye walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise,
16 Redeeming the time, because the days are evil.
17 Wherefore be ye not unwise, but understanding what the will of the Lord is.
18 And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;
19 Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord;
20 Giving thanks always for all things unto God and the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ;
21 Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God.

Once we have receive salvation and have been giving a new life in Christ we are no longer to walk as we did before in darkness. We are no longer to live in sin fulfilling our own lust, but we must now deny our wants and fulfill God's will for our lives. God want us to walk as Christ walked, loving one another, no longer in filthiness, or uncleanliness, but rather in righteousness, and holiness, as becoming a saint. We should no longer be unwise, but we should understand what God wills for us, and walk accordingly
 
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Isaiah 1
18 Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.
19 If ye be willing and obedient, ye shall eat the good of the land:
20 But if ye refuse and rebel, ye shall be devoured with the sword: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.

Jesus is waiting for our willful obedience. The last thing He want is to devour us with His sword.

Revelation 2:16 Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.
This warning of repentance is to the church, not the world. Let us heed His word, and repent. Let us willfully obey our Lord
 
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1st Timothy 2
3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

2nd Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

1st John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.


Sounds like you lied when you claim to not read Calvin, and need to give out of the reformed doctrine and into the doctrine of Christ.
Same old proof texts.

It is Gods will that every kind of person will be saved without discrimination, regarless of rank. If you read the passage in context you can see that the verses are about preaching the Gospel to ALL MEN.

(1 Timothy 2:1) I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men;

(1 Timothy 2:2) For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.

(1 Timothy 2:3) For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;

(1 Timothy 2:4) Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

(1 Timothy 2:5) For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

(1 Timothy 2:6) Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

(1 Timothy 2:7) Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity.

(1 Timothy 2:8) I will therefore that men pray every where, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting.


It's not saying God wills every single man on Earth receive eternal salvation.

2 Pet 3:9 I refuted by correctly saying he is talking to the ELECT.

2nd Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

This next verse doesn't prove anything about universal salvation. It just says Jesus took on the sins of the world. Its not enough to save everyone. There still has to be the will of God to predestinate and call the lost.

1st John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

And DONT toss around the term LIAR so willy nilly, its VERY rude.
 

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are playing ball with this guy Doc?
holds to every heresy on the books?

have fun!
 

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No, God doesn't "respect" anyone in the manner you are using it. Arminainism does with the doctrine of Conditional Election. Calvinism has the doctrine of Unconditional Election.



It doesn't make him a rapist. I would not say that about God ever. That is very dangerous ground you tread on. God doesn't "force", that's where Irresistable Grace comes to play.


No, murder is unjustified killing. God is Objectively Good, and is the standard of God. Think about that for a bit.

However, under Arminianism, God sitll creates people fullwell knowing they go to hell in the end. So you don't avoid the issue.


That's not what that verse says.

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life."
what?
4runner deliberatley mishandled God's Word?
and slandered and blasphemed Him?
hard to believe. musta been a "mistake": after that Second Baptism a Dominionist can no longer sin, so....:rolleyes:
 
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Why Jesus ( peace be upon him ) can not be a prophet of God ??
Hi,
Pray to God with a open heart, all religion and doctrines aside, without prejudice but the sole desire to seek truth and ask God to reveal Jesus the Son of God and not just a prophet if it be so. Remember, all is needed is faith that God will answer your pray but if you do it having answered the question before hand you will never get the truth if it is the truth which you seek.
Your not on this site for no reason
Peace to you my friend 

I know few people, Muslims, atheists, even a worshipper of Ra the sun god do this and now call Jesus the true Son of God.
 
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what?
4runner deliberatley mishandled God's Word?
and slandered and blasphemed Him?
hard to believe. musta been a "mistake": after that Second Baptism a Dominionist can no longer sin, so....:rolleyes:
Colossians 3:13 "Bear with each other and forgive whatever grievances you may have against one another. Forgive as the Lord forgave you"

Hebrews 12:15 "See to it that no one misses the grace of God and that no bitter root grows up to cause trouble and defile many"

1 Peter 4:9-11 "Be hospitable to one another without grumbling. As each one has received a gift, minister it to one another, as good stewards of the manifold grace of God. If anyone speaks, let him speak as the oracles of God.

Regardless of what 4runner may or may not be guilty of, if you are a true follower of Christ then what right do you have to withhold the grace which God has so freely bestowed upon you from 4runner?

What good is it to learn the scriptures if all we use them for is to judge and criticize others? Scripture is useless to us until we begin to apply it to our own lives.
 
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It is Gods will that every kind of person will be saved without discrimination, regarless of rank. If you read the passage in context you can see that the verses are about preaching the Gospel to ALL MEN.

(1 Timothy 2:1) I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men;

(1 Timothy 2:2) For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.

(1 Timothy 2:3) For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;

(1 Timothy 2:4) Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

(1 Timothy 2:5) For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

(1 Timothy 2:6) Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

(1 Timothy 2:7) Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity.

(1 Timothy 2:8) I will therefore that men pray every where, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting.


It's not saying God wills every single man on Earth receive eternal salvation.
That is EXACTLY what it's saying.

Interpreting it the way you do, apparently only kings and people in authority are saved.

2 Pet 3:9 I refuted by correctly saying he is talking to the ELECT.

2nd Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
You refuted it, but not correctly.

This next verse doesn't prove anything about universal salvation. It just says Jesus took on the sins of the world. Its not enough to save everyone. There still has to be the will of God to predestinate and call the lost.

1st John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
In your theology, of course it's not enough. God has to flip a coin to determine who will be saved and who won't.

If -any- man wants salvation, he can have it by believing on Christ.
 
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Regardless of what 4runner may or may not be guilty of, if you are a true follower of Christ then what right do you have to withhold the grace which God has so freely bestowed upon you from 4runner?
Sorry what?
 
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That is EXACTLY what it's saying.

Interpreting it the way you do, apparently only kings and people in authority are saved.
No...Pauls just making the point that we shouldnt be scared of preaching the Gospel even to those who are in high office.

You refuted it, but not correctly.
You can even explain if you want.

In your theology, of course it's not enough. God has to flip a coin to determine who will be saved and who won't.
Theres no chance involved. God CHOOSES.

If -any- man wants salvation, he can have it by believing on Christ.
If any man truly wants salvation through Jesus, its coz God chose him before the foundations of the world.
 
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No...Pauls just making the point that we shouldnt be scared of preaching the Gospel even to those who are in high office.

You can even explain if you want.

Theres no chance involved. God CHOOSES.
Based on WHAT? Just because? He decrees some for destruction just because He can? God is just. Decreeing some for destruction just because He can would not be just. God is no respecter of persons.

If any man truly wants salvation through Jesus, its coz God chose him before the foundations of the world.
Salvation is available to anyone who wants it, and chooses to believe. He gave man 100% free will.
 
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Salvation is available to anyone who wants it, and chooses to believe. He gave man 100% free will.
Shroom you are right, but going back and forth with a Calvinist is fruitless. They do not even serve the God of the Bible. Explaining the truth to a Calvinist is like telling a Muslim, that Muhammad, is not a true prophet of God, or telling a JW that Jesus is the Savior, or a Mormon that the Book of Mormon is not scripture. It is really just vain jangling. They will never listen, and only falsely accuse you of not understanding the word.
 
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Matthew 22
1 And Jesus answered and spake unto them again by parables, and said,
2 The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king, which made a marriage for his son,
3 And sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come.
4 Again, he sent forth other servants, saying, Tell them which are bidden, Behold, I have prepared my dinner: my oxen and my fatlings are killed, and all things are ready: come unto the marriage.
5 But they made light of it, and went their ways, one to his farm, another to his merchandise:
6 And the remnant took his servants, and entreated them spitefully, and slew them.
7 But when the king heard thereof, he was wroth: and he sent forth his armies, and destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city.
8 Then saith he to his servants, The wedding is ready, but they which were bidden were not worthy.
9 Go ye therefore into the highways, and as many as ye shall find, bid to the marriage.
10 So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests.
11 And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment:
12 And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless.
13 Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness, there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
14 For many are called, but few are chosen.

Not everyone god calls responds. This disprove predestination, and irresistible grace