The Effect of Eve's Sin on Women

[Aaron56]

I never thought of the generational implications there. What would Abel's line have looked like? Do you have an idea?

Jesus refers to Abel as "righteous Abel":

"..that on you may come all the righteous blood shed on the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah, son of Berechiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar."

Interestingly, in the passage He is condemning the religious leaders of the day. He adds to their crimes the killings of Abel, Zachariah, and "prophets, wise men, and scribes" sent by God. None of these men knew Abel or Zachariah who was murdered. This is a spiritual matter: the murder in their hearts for God's people has existed since the time of Abel. It was ancient.

 

[Aaron56]

That's right. One of the reasons it isn't obvious that God's directions are actually commands is because 'command' is usually conflated with 'commandment'. Many people see commandments (from the old covenant) as basically obsolete and therefore don't feel obligated to keep commands either (in the new covenant times we live in):

1. Command (informal and spontaneous): Jesus told His disciples before He left them, "A new command I give you, that you love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another" (John 13:34-35).

2. Commandment (formal and established): God told Moses, "Come up to Me on the mountain and be there; and I will give you tablets of stone, and the law and commandments which I have written, that you may teach them" (Exodus 24:12).

Some look to the Bible (OT and NT) for commandments to live by (formal and established: the logos), but following God's daily commands is a different exercise that requires faith and obedience (informal and spontaneous: the rhema).

Yes.

Man lives by bread (Jesus Christ is the bread from heaven) every rhema (word) from God. That is: the word that Our Father continues to speak.

To claim that the written law is our best guide is to claim that we are unable to hear God's rhema word.

In John 13, when speaks, it is recorded that He used the word for commandment: entolē. His authority was the same as His Father because all authority was given to Him.

I actually wrote about the significance of this new commandment here: https://christianchat.com/bible-dis...aism-in-the-church.214178/page-2#post-5247546

 

[GWH]

After Adam and Eve sinned and God handed out His sentence to the serpent and its seed, and before He sentenced Adam and males, He told Eve that the sentence for her and females was that their desire would be for their husband who would rule over them. Here is the verse:

"I will greatly multiply your sorrow and your conception; in pain you shall bring forth children; your desire will be for your husband, and he shall rule over you" (Gen. 3:16).

A woman's desire being for her husband (for men) doesn't sound like a bad thing unless you acknowledge that that was said in the context of sentencing one to a curse. There are translations that do a better job of showing why that desire is actually a curse, but I still don't understand the whole verse (I mean, God said He would multiply woman's sorrow and conception; we know what pain in childbirth means, but what does pain in conception mean?).

As far as the original KJV, God told Eve at least five different things there in the context of a curse:

1. Her sorrow would be greatly multiplied (what sorrow).

2. Her conception would also be greatly multiplied.

3. Her childbearing (possibly before, during, and after) would be painful.

4. Her life would revolve around and be lived for [a man/men].

5. Her life and reality would be subject to [a man/men].

I was one of the few high schoolers who enjoyed history class. I like to know what happened in the past especially as it affects the present. So, I tend to follow things back to their past so I can make sense of them in the present. And so I wonder what the curse on Eve means because it is the origin of many of the things about women today that most men don't understand or can't make peace with. Actually, if there is anything right now that makes me feel a genuine need to truly pursue and lay hold of God to make sense of a lot of things, it is the effects the Fall has had on women. ('Lay hold of God' doesn't mean 'spending time with God' or Bible reading and prayer but an actual 'face to face' or continuing type of conversation.)

Anyone with more of an explanation of Gen. 3:16 feel free to share. When I read that verse, just like when I read the first three chapters of Genesis and as with much of the Bible, I know there is a lot more going on there than is written on the surface. Besides, the things or aftershocks I can clearly see in the present require that there is a lot more being said in Gen. 3:16 than what is written on the surface.

After Adam and Eve sinned and God handed out His sentence to the serpent and its seed, and before He sentenced Adam and males, He told Eve that the sentence for her and females was that their desire would be for their husband who would rule over them. Here is the verse:

"I will greatly multiply your sorrow and your conception; in pain you shall bring forth children; your desire will be for your husband, and he shall rule over you" (Gen. 3:16).

And after Christ paid the penalty for their sins, Paul wrote:

"There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus."

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

That's right. One of the reasons it isn't obvious that God's directions are actually commands is because 'command' is usually conflated with 'commandment'. Many people see commandments (from the old covenant) as basically obsolete and therefore don't feel obligated to keep commands either (in the new covenant times we live in):

1. Command (informal and spontaneous): Jesus told His disciples before He left them, "A new command I give you, that you love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another" (John 13:34-35).

2. Commandment (formal and established): God told Moses, "Come up to Me on the mountain and be there; and I will give you tablets of stone, and the law and commandments which I have written, that you may teach them" (Exodus 24:12).

Some look to the Bible (OT and NT) for commandments to live by (formal and established: the logos), but following God's daily commands is a different exercise that requires faith and obedience (informal and spontaneous: the rhema).

A distinction without a difference. The same word entole is used throughout the NT to refer to commandment/command. They mean the same thing

commandment /kə-mănd′mənt/

noun

1. A command

 

[Pilgrimshope]

The glaring problem with your position is that you have a good God placing sinful males in authority over all women because one woman was deceived. I am certain that God is wiser than that.

There is a better way to view Paul's words to Timothy, but you have to do a bit of study on the cultural context to get it. Basically, Paul was refuting the pagan gnostic belief that Eve was formed first and not deceived. Paul was actually affirming women learning (which was contrary to Jewish culture) while putting an appropriate restriction on a woman who had not yet learned Christian truths and therefore should not be teaching Christians.

This preserves God's character and is consistent with Jesus' treatment of women.


Actually, there is precedent for women being heirs; in Numbers 26 and 27, the daughters of Zelophehad inherited their father's land because he had no sons.

“The glaring problem with your position is that you have a good God placing sinful males in authority over all women because one woman was deceived. I am certain that God is wiser than that.”

no that’s not my position . My position is that’s pauls argument for why he doesn’t allow women to teach in church or usurp authority over a man . The reason I say that is

To be clear Paul wrote this

“But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

( my position is that’s his position because he said it is in scripture and then he explains why that’s his position )


For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.


Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.”
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭2:12-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

How is this an error on my part ? If you have an issue with the position your issue is with Paul’s argument , I eas only making th argument that we shouldn’t remove verses because we don’t agree with what they say .

why is Paul saying that Adam was formed first ? Because he was . Why is oil saying that eve was first deceived and sinned and not Adam ? Why is Paul saying something about being saved by child bearing and talking about a woman not having authority over a man ?

because that’s what happened

If you have an issue with man being placed over women because of sin your issue is with Gods word in Eden after they sinned

“Unto the woman he ( God ) said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; ( childbearing like ouls talking about )

and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

( that’s what God said to her not me or Paul )

And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭3:16-17‬ ‭

Again no one has asked my position on women in the church lol I’ve said in this thread however that “ of any women had a good message from God I’d sit and listen like I would of it was a man “

My position concerning women and men in the church is this

“For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:27-29‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I’m sorry some of you can’t acknowledge what Paul said there it doesn’t even seem mysterious to me it just says what it says

Here is why I have the position I have Paul wrote a letter to Timothy

“Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the command of God our Savior and of Christ Jesus our hope,”
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭1:1‬ ‭NIV‬‬

In the letter he wrote this

“Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.”
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭2:11-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬


i am not willing to erase what he said because i don’t agree like some here are trying to do. The fact is when eve led Adam into sin God places adam in authority over her and mankind followed the same pattern until Christ came to remove the curses and fallen state of mankind bringing everything back to what it’s meant to be

Man and women together worshipping and submitting to God on equal footing . Mankknd fell away from what we’re made to be that’s part of the consequences as we see when zgod instituuted it

It’s just factual

“Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭3:16‬ ‭

it’s not that way in Christ but in the world of men it is and has been since Eden

 

[Pilgrimshope]

After Adam and Eve sinned and God handed out His sentence to the serpent and its seed, and before He sentenced Adam and males, He told Eve that the sentence for her and females was that their desire would be for their husband who would rule over them. Here is the verse:

"I will greatly multiply your sorrow and your conception; in pain you shall bring forth children; your desire will be for your husband, and he shall rule over you" (Gen. 3:16).

And after Christ paid the penalty for their sins, Paul wrote:

"There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus."

Right Jesus death remitted sin and the curses and consequences of the Old Testament rule of men are gone in him

 

[Beliver]

Psst: A quotation from Jesus doesn't prove your point about Paul.

 

[Magenta]

My position concerning women and men in the church is this

“For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither
bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:27-29‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Galatians 3:26-28

 

[Beliver]

“The glaring problem with your position is that you have a good God placing sinful males in authority over all women because one woman was deceived. I am certain that God is wiser than that.”

no that’s not my position . My position is that’s pauls argument for why he doesn’t allow women to teach in church or usurp authority over a man . The reason I say that is

To be clear Paul wrote this

“But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

( my position is that’s his position because he said it is in scripture and then he explains why that’s his position )


For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.


Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.”
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭2:12-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

How is this an error on my part ? If you have an issue with the position your issue is with Paul’s argument , I eas only making th argument that we shouldn’t remove verses because we don’t agree with what they say .

why is Paul saying that Adam was formed first ? Because he was . Why is oil saying that eve was first deceived and sinned and not Adam ? Why is Paul saying something about being saved by child bearing and talking about a woman not having authority over a man ?

because that’s what happened

If you have an issue with man being placed over women because of sin your issue is with Gods word in Eden after they sinned

“Unto the woman he ( God ) said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; ( childbearing like ouls talking about )

and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

( that’s what God said to her not me or Paul )

And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭3:16-17‬ ‭

Again no one has asked my position on women in the church lol I’ve said in this thread however that “ of any women had a good message from God I’d sit and listen like I would of it was a man “

My position concerning women and men in the church is this

“For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:27-29‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I’m sorry some of you can’t acknowledge what Paul said there it doesn’t even seem mysterious to me it just says what it says

Here is why I have the position I have Paul wrote a letter to Timothy

“Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the command of God our Savior and of Christ Jesus our hope,”
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭1:1‬ ‭NIV‬‬

In the letter he wrote this

“Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.”
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭2:11-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬


i am not willing to erase what he said because i don’t agree like some here are trying to do. The fact is when eve led Adam into sin God places adam in authority over her and mankind followed the same pattern until Christ came to remove the curses and fallen state of mankind bringing everything back to what it’s meant to be

Man and women together worshipping and submitting to God on equal footing . Mankknd fell away from what we’re made to be that’s part of the consequences as we see when zgod instituuted it

It’s just factual

“Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭3:16‬ ‭

it’s not that way in Christ but in the world of men it is and has been since Eden

Its remarkable that as "Christans" we like to take verses out of content to fit what we want to believe or how can it fit my beliefs, when its says this in the Bible (Gods word)Peter the disciple, says"2 Peter chapter 3 vs 14-16, its not my word. So read it and don’t interpret it, thats where our truth of the word gets obscured .

 

[Beliver]

So that just leaves the first option? Says who? You?

Like it or not, Paul alluded to something in the law which commands wives to be under obedience to their own husbands, so what portion of scripture from the law was he referring to?

Also, your claim about there being no authority to usurp is totally unbiblical. There are numerous passages in the New Testament which refute your view.

I should end this post by asking those who are reading my comments not to assume what I believe these passages mean because they will more than likely come up with a completely inaccurate view of my actual beliefs.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

A distinction without a difference. The same word entole is used throughout the NT to refer to commandment/command. They mean the same thing

commandment /kə-mănd′mənt/

noun

1. A command

“And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭1:3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

all creation has to respond to his word we’re crested by and for it

Galatians 3:26-28

Amen wonderful sister a companion verse for that work of art

“For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. ( the only son )

There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. ( the son and heir )

And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”( in Christ )
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:26-29‬ ‭KJV‬‬

 

[Beliver]

Its remarkable that as "Christans" we like to take verses out of content to fit what we want to believe or how can it fit my beliefs, when its says this in the Bible (Gods word)Peter the disciple, says"2 Peter chapter 3 vs 14-16, its not my word. So read it and don’t interpret it, thats where our truth of the word gets obscured .

“And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭1:3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

all creation has to respond to his word we’re crested by and for it

Amen wonderful sister a companion verse for that work of art

“For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. ( the only son )

There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. ( the son and heir )

And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”( in Christ )
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:26-29‬ ‭KJV‬‬

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Its remarkable that as "Christans" we like to take verses out of content to fit what we want to believe or how can it fit my beliefs, when its says this in the Bible (Gods word)Peter the disciple, says"2 Peter chapter 3 vs 14-16, its not my word. So read it and don’t interpret it, thats where our truth of the word gets obscured .

Right we need to listen more to the word and remove our beliefs that don’t agree , rather than removing verses that don’t agree with what we though my beforehand

were always wrong when we’re opposing what he actually did say for instance this just says what it says

“Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.”
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭2:11-15‬ ‭

and Paul knew this said what it says

“Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

( clearly without any interpretation God has put Adam in authority over eve because of what she did )


And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭3:16-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

It’s a pretty serious matter eves words led Adam to break the command of God.

“Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: “

all Paul is doing is recounting what happened to support his position

 

[Beliver]

We have to remember , when Paul said "i don’t allow a woman to teach" we have to understand why Paul said that, the problem that Paul was addressing was, that these women of the (church) was taking tje gathering of Gods people, and making mockery , by using the opportunity to make it more about themselves and mot Gods word was.1 Timothy 2 vers 9, he(Paul), says,let these woman be modest, and dont make Gods gathering a fashion show, ( in simple terms)

 

[Beliver]

Right we need to listen more to the word and remove our beliefs that don’t agree , rather than removing verses that don’t agree with what we though my beforehand

were always wrong when we’re opposing what he actually did say for instance this just says what it says

“Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.”
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭2:11-15‬ ‭

and Paul knew this said what it says

“Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

( clearly without any interpretation God has put Adam in authority over eve because of what she did )


And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭3:16-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

It’s a pretty serious matter eves words led Adam to break the command of God.

“Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: “

all Paul is doing is recounting what happened to support his position

Thats what the word says, and i take it by "FAITH",its not what i feel, because the Bible says Hebrews chapter11 vs 1, and thats is the truth or what we say Faith"

 

[Beliver]

Thats what the word says, and i take it by "FAITH",its not what i feel, because the Bible says Hebrews chapter11 vs 1, and thats is the truth or what we say Faith"[/QUOTE Yeah, i agree with you because, you back it up with scripture and not what you think or feel or even people’s feelings ....

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Thats what the word says, and i take it by "FAITH",its not what i feel, because the Bible says Hebrews chapter11 vs 1, and thats is the truth or what we say Faith"

Yeah what does Hebrews 11:1 mean to you ?

 

[Dino246]

“The glaring problem with your position is that you have a good God placing sinful males in authority over all women because one woman was deceived. I am certain that God is wiser than that.”

no that’s not my position . My position is that’s pauls argument for why he doesn’t allow women to teach in church or usurp authority over a man .

That's an incomplete sentence. Try again.

To be clear Paul wrote this

“But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

Yelling doesn't make your argument any more sound.

( my position is that’s his position because he said it is in scripture and then he explains why that’s his position )

And you think there is no need for further examination, consideration, study, or independent thought? Okay....

For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.”
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭2:12-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

And what does the latter part mean, exactly? Scripture is clear that people aren't saved by having children, but by believing in Jesus Christ. So, unless you can explain what Paul meant, such that the explanation is coherent with the rest of your position, then you have more homework to do.

How is this an error on my part ? If you have an issue with the position your issue is with Paul’s argument , I eas only making th argument that we shouldn’t remove verses because we don’t agree with what they say .

And you aren't thinking things through.

why is Paul saying that Adam was formed first ? Because he was . Why is oil saying that eve was first deceived and sinned and not Adam ?

Both are perfectly explained if Paul is refuting gnostic errors.

Why is Paul saying something about being saved by child bearing and talking about a woman not having authority over a man ?

You provide your explanation first, please.

because that’s what happened

Again, women are not saved through bearing children.

If you have an issue with man being placed over women because of sin your issue is with Gods word in Eden after they sinned

No, my issue is with your misinterpretation of God's word.

“Unto the woman he ( God ) said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; ( childbearing like ouls talking about )

and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

( that’s what God said to her not me or Paul )

Yes... and you have just charged God with stupidity and moral corruption. Think again!

And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭3:16-17‬ ‭

My position concerning women and men in the church is this

“For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:27-29‬ ‭KJV‬‬

More unnecessary yelling.

I’m sorry some of you can’t acknowledge what Paul said there it doesn’t even seem mysterious to me it just says what it says

Your position is incoherent. Either women and men are equal under Christ, and have equal authority, or not.

Here is why I have the position I have Paul wrote a letter to Timothy

“Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the command of God our Savior and of Christ Jesus our hope,”
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭1:1‬ ‭NIV‬‬

Yes, I know Paul wrote the letter. That's not in question. Don't waste words to argue about things on which we agree.

In the letter he wrote this
“Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.”
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭2:11-15‬ ‭KJV

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Your interpretation of Paul's words here makes no sense in light of Galatians 3:28.

i am not willing to erase what he said because i don’t agree like some here are trying to do.

Nobody is trying to "erase" anything. I am saying outright that some of the words attributed to Paul probably are not Paul's words. It's that simple. A little punctuation would clarify the whole matter.

The fact is when eve led Adam into sin God places adam in authority over her

NO HE DOES NOT! That's a gross misinterpretation. See above about charging God with stupidity.

It’s just factual

It's just your interpretation, which is incoherent.

it’s not that way in Christ but in the world of men it is and has been since Eden

Again, your position is incoherent. You clearly have not looked up the meaning of the word because you remain immersed in it.

 

[Beliver]

Yeah what does Hebrews 11:1 mean to you ?

Yeah what does Hebrews 11:1 mean to you ?

That this "Faith" in Hebrews, means to me, is putting my trust, my belief in something or someone (Jesus)that i have never seen, but not only a mental assessment, but an action also that allows me to reflect that hope i have, in the thing i put my trust and belief in

 

[Beliver]

Yeah what does Hebrews 11:1 mean to you ?

That this "Faith" in Hebrews, means to me, is putting my trust, my belief in something or someone (Jesus)that i have never seen, but not only a mental assessment, but an action also that allows me to reflect that hope i have, in the thing i put my trust and belief in

What about you ?