The Kerygma - God's Requirement for Salvation

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Cameron143

Cameron143

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Pilgrimshope said:
You seem to believe an individual can simply hear the word of God preached and believe.

yes exactly I believe human beings are designed by God to operate , learn and develope bY means of true information conveyed through words from God to man. And believes it’s been tbat way since the beginning of time.

“ I don't believe this based on what the word of God teaches concerning the spiritual estate of the unredeemed. “

brother I’ve never read anything in the Bible about “ the spiritual state of the unredeemed “ I must have missed that part

ive read tbat the redeemer has come to Zion and sent his salvation out to all the world great and small beginning at Jerusalem and whoever shall call upon his name in truth shall be saved

when you say “ the unredeemed “ do you mean all sinners before they accept the redeemer hear and believe the gospel ?
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Read Ephesians 2:1-3.
Read Jeremiah 17:9.
Read Romans 3:10-18.
Read Matthew 16 and ask yourself why God builds the church through revelation.
At any rate, I don't think we are going to come to a concensus. Appreciate the conversation. Grace and peace.
 
Pilgrimshope

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Cameron143 said:
Read Ephesians 2:1-3.
Read Jeremiah 17:9.
Read Romans 3:10-18.
Read Matthew 16 and ask yourself why God builds the church through revelation.
At any rate, I don't think we are going to come to a concensus. Appreciate the conversation. Grace and peace.
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I have red all those but I don’t reject everything else though
 
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GWH said:
What is problematic is that "firstfruits" means the first person to resurrect and translate to heaven. Perhaps Enoch was a type or OT foreshadowing of Christ? What happened to Lazarus? I guess we can add 1 Kings‬ ‭17:20-24‬ ‭to the discussion, although perhaps the boy was merely revived or resuscitated.
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Enoch wasn't translated to heaven. He was translated to paradise. After Christ's death and resurrection, those in paradise were led to heaven. Lazarus was resuscitated.

Eph 4:8~~Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.
 
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GWH

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Kroogz said:
Enoch wasn't translated to heaven. He was translated to paradise. After Christ's death and resurrection, those in paradise were led to heaven. Lazarus was resuscitated.

Eph 4:8~~Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.
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That explanation might resolve the problem. Thanks!
 
Magenta

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GWH said:
Am I the only one who finds the translation of Enoch and the resurrection of Lazarus
to be problematic, because Paul calls Christ's resurrection the "firstfruits" in 1CR 15:20?
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Firstfruits to eternal life?
 
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