Temple of the Jews Or Temple in the heart

[BOY]

We are the temple of God.

Now they are saying that the man of sin sits in the temple in are heart, not. in the temple of the Jews.

And that the Jews can't build a temple because there are no priests, and they need a Messiah to build the temple.

So the man of sin sits in our hearts in the temple of God, Not in the temple of the Jews.

And I was tempted for a minute. that could be right. But. I remembered Revelation 11. 1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.

2But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

There is definitely a temple made by the Jews. That means they have a Messiah.

Maybe you can help me with this. is it a double edged prophecy? The man of sin sits in our hearts in the temple. and the man of sin sits in the Jewish maid temple. Or are they false prophets that say there will be no Jewish temple and the man of sin sits in our hearts in the temple.?


2 Corinthians 6:16
“And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people

16Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

5Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

We are the temple, we are. the temple of God.

4Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

Matt24:15When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand

Mark13:14But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:

Daniel 12:11
And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

It stands there
It stands where it ought not.
It's set up.

 

[keepingthingsreal]

There are verses in scripture which describe a literal temple in Jerusalem, and there are verses in scripture which describe Christians as figuratively being the temple of God. So, how can we know, for certain, what type of temple is being described in 2 Thessalonians chapter 2? The answer is quite simple:

Context.

Paul had just finished speaking about a specific day in 2 Thessalonians 1:10, and, according to 2 Thessalonians 1:7, that day is the day when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels. In other words, that day is the day of Christ's return.

Moving on to 2 Thessalonians chapter 2, Paul continued speaking of this same day.

2Th 2:1
Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2Th 2:2
That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
2Th 2:3
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2Th 2:4
Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

In verse 2, the day of Christ is the day of the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and our gathering together unto him that Paul had just finished describing in verse 1. In relation to this specific day, or in relation to the same exact day that Paul described in 2 Thessalonians 1:10, Paul said that two things must occur prior to it.

There has to first be a falling away or apostasy, and the man of sin, or the antichrist, needs to be revealed.

This is a MAN that is being spoken of, and this MAN will not be dwelling in the figurative temple of Christians when Christ returns. Instead, this MAN will be dwelling in a rebuilt temple in Jerusalem.

 

[Lifted_by_the_word]

There's a tabernacle in our head.The two cherubims/witnesses is the left and right hemisphere of our brains.The pineal gland sits on the mercy seat.Our hair would be as the torn temple veil.
If the left hemisphere is the water and the right is the blood then the pineal gland is the spirit.
Inside the head of a carnal minded person is the number of the beast,666.They're marked on the forehead.
What you're seeing is the abomination of desolation standing/sitting in the Holy place declaring himself as god.

mark 13:14
But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains.

"But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation", or when the 144,000 give the testimony of the Two Witnesses,repent!
Flee to the mountains means to repent(Mount Sinai) and be transformed by the renewing of your mind/be born of the Spirit(Mount Zion).

 

[glf]

We are the temple of God.

Now they are saying that the man of sin sits in the temple in are heart, not. in the temple of the Jews.

And that the Jews can't build a temple because there are no priests, and they need a Messiah to build the temple.

So the man of sin sits in our hearts in the temple of God, Not in the temple of the Jews.

And I was tempted for a minute. that could be right. But. I remembered Revelation 11. 1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.

2But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

There is definitely a temple made by the Jews. That means they have a Messiah.

Maybe you can help me with this. is it a double edged prophecy? The man of sin sits in our hearts in the temple. and the man of sin sits in the Jewish maid temple. Or are they false prophets that say there will be no Jewish temple and the man of sin sits in our hearts in the temple.?


2 Corinthians 6:16
“And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people

16Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

5Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

We are the temple, we are. the temple of God.

4Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

Matt24:15When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand

Mark13:14But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:

Daniel 12:11
And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

It stands there
It stands where it ought not.
It's set up.

The man of sin is a man possesed by the anti-christ and is unable to be in my heart! Even the evil one isn't omnipresent as the Lord is and can only be in one place at a time! Besides all that, 1 Jn 1: 4: Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Here's a great read that lays out a pretty compelling case that the original temples were on Mt Zion, not the "Temple Mount" where the Dome of the Rock is. The Western Wall where everyone worships is actually the western wall of the Roman encampment

https://www.askelm.com/TempBook/index.asp

 

[Jimbone]

Man you have to ADD SO MUCH to His word to get anything even close to what you guys are talking about. I see His word mixed and matched to fit the news papers of today, or peoples preconceived idea of how all this works that they just completely abandon exegesis and go full eisegesis to the point they're almost making their own story. What Jesus is talking about in Mat 24, and John is speaking of in Rev. is not the end of the world, it is the end of the age, the Mosaic, Temple sacrifice age, and the coming judgement on the covenant breaking Jews. This all came to pass EXACTLY as they said it would, EXACTLY when they said it would, and EXACTLY how He said it would. To be honest it is unbelievable amazing and vindicating how exact Jesus was about all these things.

The supposedly "perfect in every way" (by some) KJV has a TON to do with this misunderstanding because of the poor translation of 1 world in Mat. 24:3

KJV says "And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world"

And the proper translation of that word "aion" in Greek they translated to world, should actually be AGE not world.

(ESV) As he sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately, saying, "Tell us, when will these things be, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?

This completely changes what Jesus was actually saying here.
This is just a tiny part of it, but we have to consider the context of everything. First off Jesus was not talking to us, so when His disciples look Him in the eyes and ask "when will these things happen", and He looks them in the eyes back and says "double for sure, these things will ALL happen before THIS generation passes", then we cannot possibly read ourselves into His words. He was talking to and about them at that time, not us.

We have GOT to let His word be drawn from the text, and to be painfully forward and blunt with this, you can NOT get to a future to us pre-trib rapture view without adding a dump truck load TOO the scripture.

I good test for this is to try to empty everything you know and try to read scripture with fresh eyes. We can't do this completely of course, but just try to draw from it nothing more or less than its saying. I think you may be surprised that many of the verses used to support the PTR actually have nothing at all to do with the PTR when put in the context with the verses around them. Like none of the rest the chapter has anything to do with the end times or last days, yet they proof text one verse all alone like it supports this idea.

Man I already turned this into a wall of text and could keep going and going, but I see this view dominate so much of Christianity today and it honesty blows my mind how few can see how much better other views fit scripture SO much better. Okay that's my .02 for what it's worth. I just like sharing that.

 

[homwardbound]

We are the temple of God.

Now they are saying that the man of sin sits in the temple in are heart, not. in the temple of the Jews.

And that the Jews can't build a temple because there are no priests, and they need a Messiah to build the temple.

So the man of sin sits in our hearts in the temple of God, Not in the temple of the Jews.

And I was tempted for a minute. that could be right. But. I remembered Revelation 11. 1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.

2But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

There is definitely a temple made by the Jews. That means they have a Messiah.

Maybe you can help me with this. is it a double edged prophecy? The man of sin sits in our hearts in the temple. and the man of sin sits in the Jewish maid temple. Or are they false prophets that say there will be no Jewish temple and the man of sin sits in our hearts in the temple.?


2 Corinthians 6:16
“And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people

16Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

5Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

We are the temple, we are. the temple of God.

4Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

Matt24:15When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand

Mark13:14But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:

Daniel 12:11
And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

It stands there
It stands where it ought not.
It's set up.

Ever since the resurrection of the Son that took away all sin first on that cross in Father's sight, not man's, since man continuers to sin, even thinking he is not, thinking they are righteous, when these are not, speaking out of two sides of their mouth saying they believe God and do not, yet seem as if they do. Been there, hoping no more there ever again I trust God to keep me safe and free in God, thinking, trusting God forever in Psalm 100:4, and seeing in belief what is done what Son for u has now done once forever for us all to believe it or not, Psalm 103:12, John 19:30, 2 Cor 5:17-20. Hebrews 8:1-4, 9:114-17

 

[Lifted_by_the_word]

There's a tabernacle in our head.The two cherubims/witnesses is the left and right hemisphere of our brains.The pineal gland sits on the mercy seat.Our hair would be as the torn temple veil.
If the left hemisphere is the water and the right is the blood then the pineal gland is the spirit.
Inside the head of a carnal minded person is the number of the beast,666.They're marked on the forehead.
What you're seeing is the abomination of desolation standing/sitting in the Holy place declaring himself as god.

mark 13:14
But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains.

"But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation", or when the 144,000 give the testimony of the Two Witnesses,repent!
Flee to the mountains means to repent(Mount Sinai) and be transformed by the renewing of your mind/be born of the Spirit(Mount Zion).

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Satan's kingdom and his ways mirror's God's,just being the opposite.Having being sealed by the name of our God on our forehead is symbolic to mean having the word of God on our minds.
If you had his name on your forehead you'd bare good fruits.The spirit of the Lord would sit/rest on the mercy seat with his Two Witnesses on his side.
Carnal minded people place themselves on the mercy seat making them in the image of the beast,instead of being in the image of God.

Here's another picture to show the heart as the mercy seat and the Two Witnesses being your first birth(water) and the head of the Church(blood).
Satan also wants to sit here and declare himself as god.

 

[BOY]

Man you have to ADD SO MUCH to His word to get anything even close to what you guys are talking about. I see His word mixed and matched to fit the news papers of today, or peoples preconceived idea of how all this works that they just completely abandon exegesis and go full eisegesis to the point they're almost making their own story. What Jesus is talking about in Mat 24, and John is speaking of in Rev. is not the end of the world, it is the end of the age, the Mosaic, Temple sacrifice age, and the coming judgement on the covenant breaking Jews. This all came to pass EXACTLY as they said it would, EXACTLY when they said it would, and EXACTLY how He said it would. To be honest it is unbelievable amazing and vindicating how exact Jesus was about all these things.

The supposedly "perfect in every way" (by some) KJV has a TON to do with this misunderstanding because of the poor translation of 1 world in Mat. 24:3

KJV says "And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world"

And the proper translation of that word "aion" in Greek they translated to world, should actually be AGE not world.

(ESV) As he sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately, saying, "Tell us, when will these things be, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?

This completely changes what Jesus was actually saying here.
This is just a tiny part of it, but we have to consider the context of everything. First off Jesus was not talking to us, so when His disciples look Him in the eyes and ask "when will these things happen", and He looks them in the eyes back and says "double for sure, these things will ALL happen before THIS generation passes", then we cannot possibly read ourselves into His words. He was talking to and about them at that time, not us.

We have GOT to let His word be drawn from the text, and to be painfully forward and blunt with this, you can NOT get to a future to us pre-trib rapture view without adding a dump truck load TOO the scripture.

I good test for this is to try to empty everything you know and try to read scripture with fresh eyes. We can't do this completely of course, but just try to draw from it nothing more or less than its saying. I think you may be surprised that many of the verses used to support the PTR actually have nothing at all to do with the PTR when put in the context with the verses around them. Like none of the rest the chapter has anything to do with the end times or last days, yet they proof text one verse all alone like it supports this idea.

Man I already turned this into a wall of text and could keep going and going, but I see this view dominate so much of Christianity today and it honesty blows my mind how few can see how much better other views fit scripture SO much better. Okay that's my .02 for what it's worth. I just like sharing that.

Are you even on the right post the right thread? because this one's talking about doctrine and false doctrine, Or did you just want to let us know how you feel? And what you believe.?

 

[BOY]

There are verses in scripture which describe a literal temple in Jerusalem, and there are verses in scripture which describe Christians as figuratively being the temple of God. So, how can we know, for certain, what type of temple is being described in 2 Thessalonians chapter 2? The answer is quite simple:

Context.

Paul had just finished speaking about a specific day in 2 Thessalonians 1:10, and, according to 2 Thessalonians 1:7, that day is the day when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels. In other words, that day is the day of Christ's return.

Moving on to 2 Thessalonians chapter 2, Paul continued speaking of this same day.

2Th 2:1
Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2Th 2:2
That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
2Th 2:3
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2Th 2:4
Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

In verse 2, the day of Christ is the day of the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and our gathering together unto him that Paul had just finished describing in verse 1. In relation to this specific day, or in relation to the same exact day that Paul described in 2 Thessalonians 1:10, Paul said that two things must occur prior to it.

There has to first be a falling away or apostasy, and the man of sin, or the antichrist, needs to be revealed.

This is a MAN that is being spoken of, and this MAN will not be dwelling in the figurative temple of Christians when Christ returns. Instead, this MAN will be dwelling in a rebuilt temple in Jerusalem.

How come you didn't use Revelation 11 the first two verses? Or was there a Pacific reason for that?

 

[keepingthingsreal]

How come you didn't use Revelation 11 the first two verses? Or was there a Pacific reason for that?

You had already used them. I believe that those verses pertain to a last days rebuilt temple in Jerusalem.

 

[homwardbound]

Satan's kingdom and his ways mirror's God's,just being the opposite.Having being sealed by the name of our God on our forehead is symbolic to mean having the word of God on our minds.
If you had his name on your forehead you'd bare good fruits.The spirit of the Lord would sit/rest on the mercy seat with his Two Witnesses on his side.
Carnal minded people place themselves on the mercy seat making them in the image of the beast,instead of being in the image of God.

Here's another picture to show the heart as the mercy seat and the Two Witnesses being your first birth(water) and the head of the Church(blood).
Satan also wants to sit here and declare himself as god.
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Blood covered from God Father, through Son's done work on that cross, that is done, to believe it is done we are reconciled, and see the need for new life of God's Love to permeate through us, not us the flesh (First Birth water) that fights truth to be done in us. That Evil has control of flesh first birth, to one extend or another, depends on our first self to see to listen to God or not (be born again) from the first fall of all man in the first Adam ever since Adam the first failed to God in "Unbelief" to God where God's Spirit left the flesh to fend for itself, God not living in us, outside of people until the resurrection of Son for us to be given new life in God's spirit nd truth (Born again) forever thank you Father Phil 1:6 trusting you to carry on the work needed to get through, as for me I see you do, Amazing grace does the corrections, not the flesh work at all.

 

[Jimbone]

Are you even on the right post the right thread? because this one's talking about doctrine and false doctrine, Or did you just want to let us know how you feel? And what you believe.?

Sorry it offended you in this way. I knew others wouldn't agree, but I wasn't trying to be insulting or tell anyone "what to believe" any more or less than you are any time you ever give your opinion on anything ever. I was honestly under the impression that was the actual purpose of this site.

Are you telling me that sharing where the Lord has brought me and the things He has open my eyes to is wrong for some reason? Is it just as wrong when everyone else does it to? Should we all just stop talking and sharing? I came into a thread where brothers and sisters are discussing something and every single comment is kind of built on an idea there will be a future temple. It's that idea and assumption I felt compelled to address, because it's so prevalent in modern Christianity across the board. I do understand your point about me completely running into left field and starting a whole new conversation over here. Point taken really, that is exactly what I did. I guess that is kind of "starting trouble" in retrospect, but I just truly believe that the idea there will be a "future God's temple" is a false teaching that does matter, is honestly nonsensical when laid out, and creates this idea that the church is yet to be beat down into the ground, and that's what's coming, until Jesus shows up earthly and beats them all for us. I just don't believe that and do believe our perspectives on these matters change SO MUCH depending on how we approach the whole thing. I understand this view creates a "we have to save as many as we can" kind of urgency, but man I find the truth so much bigger. Jesus warned the people who were going to face these things about them. These things came to pass exactly and Jesus and His word in Rev. said they would. On time and as promised. On topic though I do believe the temple is our bodies, God Spirit no long dwells in a temple built with stone and Gold, but now dwells in each one of us who have been born again. The very idea of a future temple is a slap in the face to Jesus, and would be God going back to a system that was only pointing to Jesus in the first place. There are so many levels that another "God's temple" just does not work.

Now Jesus is on the throne, the promised Davidic throne at the Fathers right hand, with ALL authority in heaven, and on Earth, an d He must reign until every enemy has been made a footstool for His feet. Just like Jesus said in so many different ways, but His kingdom is not of this world, it's not one you can point to and say "there it is", His kingdom is of the Spirit, and has been growing since it was poured out on us as Acts 2 describes. His kingdom can not be over come, it can never be destroyed, it starts off a small stone yet grows into the biggest mountain, tiny seed into the biggest tree in the garden, His kingdom wins history and the idea that we first have to let evil overcome us completely changes how we see everything in the future. In my opinion.

Dang it I'm doing it again. I do understand your point though, I hope you can understand my passion for this topic at least, and how/why I just started my own conversation out of the blue all by myself in that way. I see that it's not the most polite thing to do in that way, in ret, and again I'm sorry for coming in a way that seemed like I was insulting and attacking. Next time I'll consider that more before posting, because I do also see your point of view and do see how it can come across offensive. That wasn't my intention, but intention is kind of irrelevant in the equation.

 

[BOY]

Sorry it offended you in this way. I knew others wouldn't agree, but I wasn't trying to be insulting or tell anyone "what to believe" any more or less than you are any time you ever give your opinion on anything ever. I was honestly under the impression that was the actual purpose of this site.

Are you telling me that sharing where the Lord has brought me and the things He has open my eyes to is wrong for some reason? Is it just as wrong when everyone else does it to? Should we all just stop talking and sharing? I came into a thread where brothers and sisters are discussing something and every single comment is kind of built on an idea there will be a future temple. It's that idea and assumption I felt compelled to address, because it's so prevalent in modern Christianity across the board. I do understand your point about me completely running into left field and starting a whole new conversation over here. Point taken really, that is exactly what I did. I guess that is kind of "starting trouble" in retrospect, but I just truly believe that the idea there will be a "future God's temple" is a false teaching that does matter, is honestly nonsensical when laid out, and creates this idea that the church is yet to be beat down into the ground, and that's what's coming, until Jesus shows up earthly and beats them all for us. I just don't believe that and do believe our perspectives on these matters change SO MUCH depending on how we approach the whole thing. I understand this view creates a "we have to save as many as we can" kind of urgency, but man I find the truth so much bigger. Jesus warned the people who were going to face these things about them. These things came to pass exactly and Jesus and His word in Rev. said they would. On time and as promised. On topic though I do believe the temple is our bodies, God Spirit no long dwells in a temple built with stone and Gold, but now dwells in each one of us who have been born again. The very idea of a future temple is a slap in the face to Jesus, and would be God going back to a system that was only pointing to Jesus in the first place. There are so many levels that another "God's temple" just does not work.

Now Jesus is on the throne, the promised Davidic throne at the Fathers right hand, with ALL authority in heaven, and on Earth, an d He must reign until every enemy has been made a footstool for His feet. Just like Jesus said in so many different ways, but His kingdom is not of this world, it's not one you can point to and say "there it is", His kingdom is of the Spirit, and has been growing since it was poured out on us as Acts 2 describes. His kingdom can not be over come, it can never be destroyed, it starts off a small stone yet grows into the biggest mountain, tiny seed into the biggest tree in the garden, His kingdom wins history and the idea that we first have to let evil overcome us completely changes how we see everything in the future. In my opinion.

Dang it I'm doing it again. I do understand your point though, I hope you can understand my passion for this topic at least, and how/why I just started my own conversation out of the blue all by myself in that way. I see that it's not the most polite thing to do in that way, in ret, and again I'm sorry for coming in a way that seemed like I was insulting and attacking. Next time I'll consider that more before posting, because I do also see your point of view and do see how it can come across offensive. That wasn't my intention, but intention is kind of irrelevant in the equation.

All posts seem to metamorph into something else anyway, so it really doesn't matter. Glad you did

I don't know who you've been talking to, but the temple's not for Jesus. Jesus has his temple and that is us. The rebuilding of the temple is for the disobedient Jews. And they can't build a temple without a Messiah.

John 5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.

Just another verse showing an Antichrist. or showing the Antichrist i should say.

If you don't think that's possible, then you have not been keeping up with the news and all the latest videos. I suppose you have to have the stomach for it, sifting through the rubbish. But I've seen the most famous Jews the rabbis, pulling Netanyahu aside. and asking him as he made any progress towards the building of the temple yet.

the first thing they've got to bring peace to Israel, peace to the Middle East. then they will pick their Messiah. Whoever brings them that peace deal. then they will build a temple. These are not my words. but the words of the rabbis I saw on the videos.

So I can actually see the temple being built as a real thing. But nothing to do with Jesus.

I don't know how you can think that revelation has been fulfilled already. Rev 6 to 22

You will have to explain that to me..

 

[glf]

Heb 9: 11:
But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;(creation)
Heb 9: 23-24:
It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these. For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:

 

[homwardbound]

I have found, continuing forward daily in belief God has taken away all sin for me and everyone else too on that cross for us first, that is done for new life to be given to his children that choose to believe God, as in Col. 1:21-23 tells me. To stand and go through whatever troubles one might and does go through, without giving up on this truth John 1:29, John 19:30, Hebrews 7:11-12, 9:14-17
Amazing Grace
Thanking God daily is my place I chose to stand in thanksgiving and praise seeing by Son alone all sin taken away (Psalm 103:12) given a new heart (Ezekiel 36:26) from God not myself or anyone e else

 

[Jimbone]

All posts seem to metamorph into something else anyway, so it really doesn't matter. Glad you did

I don't know who you've been talking to, but the temple's not for Jesus. Jesus has his temple and that is us. The rebuilding of the temple is for the disobedient Jews. And they can't build a temple without a Messiah.

John 5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.

Just another verse showing an Antichrist. or showing the Antichrist i should say.

If you don't think that's possible, then you have not been keeping up with the news and all the latest videos. I suppose you have to have the stomach for it, sifting through the rubbish. But I've seen the most famous Jews the rabbis, pulling Netanyahu aside. and asking him as he made any progress towards the building of the temple yet.

the first thing they've got to bring peace to Israel, peace to the Middle East. then they will pick their Messiah. Whoever brings them that peace deal. then they will build a temple. These are not my words. but the words of the rabbis I saw on the videos.

So I can actually see the temple being built as a real thing. But nothing to do with Jesus.

I don't know how you can think that revelation has been fulfilled already. Rev 6 to 22

You will have to explain that to me..

I agree with you here and any "temple" that any men build will be false and not "God's temple", not the "Holy place" the anti-Christ is supposed to stand in.

This is really main point here, it doesn't fit scripture if it's not Gods Holy Place, it does not say that the anti-Christ will stand in a false holy place, or even infer anywhere that I know of, that it will not be the true temple. This means that believing it is in truth adding to scripture. It's not like I just want to be right, or win an argument here. I honestly believe that it happened exactly how He said in would in every way, and He was not warning people and telling them that "this generation will not pass away before ALL these things take place", to people who would never need the information or ever have any clue what He was talking about because He really meant a very very distant generation would see these things. What's even more is that even secular history backs up exactly what Jesus said, yet we still hear debates using these words to argue that Jesus has false prophesies. When in truth it's a testament to His glory and adds to the perfect record of prophesy in the Bible.

The understanding I've always had, and what I've always been taught was that the anti-Christ would come to desecrate Gods Holy temple. It was never ever mentioned anywhere at anytime I ever heard it taught, that this was a false temple. Let's be honest here, a false temple can not be desecrated anyway, it in itself is a desecration.

Another teaching I always heard was that scripture was closed. That God no longer spoke to us in direct revelation as before, that now we had Hid word to point us to reconciliation through Jesus. Basically that scripture was closed. That's why we don't have to put too much stock into wondering if what Joseph Smith or Mohammed said was really coming from God.

These two things together make a third temple that would fulfill scripture impossible in the way that it has to be "Gods Holy Place", and in order for that to happen the God has to command His temple be rebuilt. With scripture closed in that way with no command to rebuild His temple, then the idea of a "Gods Holy Place" in the future just doesn't make sense at all.

This was as summed up as I could make it, I wasn't trying to keep posting walls of text, but you made a good point and I wanted to answer why I believed this answer still really holds no water. In my thinking anyway, I do NOT mean this as an insult at all.

 

[homwardbound]

I agree with you here and any "temple" that any men build will be false and not "God's temple", not the "Holy place" the anti-Christ is supposed to stand in.

This is really main point here, it doesn't fit scripture if it's not Gods Holy Place, it does not say that the anti-Christ will stand in a false holy place, or even infer anywhere that I know of, that it will not be the true temple. This means that believing it is in truth adding to scripture. It's not like I just want to be right, or win an argument here. I honestly believe that it happened exactly how He said in would in every way, and He was not warning people and telling them that "this generation will not pass away before ALL these things take place", to people who would never need the information or ever have any clue what He was talking about because He really meant a very very distant generation would see these things. What's even more is that even secular history backs up exactly what Jesus said, yet we still hear debates using these words to argue that Jesus has false prophesies. When in truth it's a testament to His glory and adds to the perfect record of prophesy in the Bible.

The understanding I've always had, and what I've always been taught was that the anti-Christ would come to desecrate Gods Holy temple. It was never ever mentioned anywhere at anytime I ever heard it taught, that this was a false temple. Let's be honest here, a false temple can not be desecrated anyway, it in itself is a desecration.

Another teaching I always heard was that scripture was closed. That God no longer spoke to us in direct revelation as before, that now we had Hid word to point us to reconciliation through Jesus. Basically that scripture was closed. That's why we don't have to put too much stock into wondering if what Joseph Smith or Mohammed said was really coming from God.

These two things together make a third temple that would fulfill scripture impossible in the way that it has to be "Gods Holy Place", and in order for that to happen the God has to command His temple be rebuilt. With scripture closed in that way with no command to rebuild His temple, then the idea of a "Gods Holy Place" in the future just doesn't make sense at all.

This was as summed up as I could make it, I wasn't trying to keep posting walls of text, but you made a good point and I wanted to answer why I believed this answer still really holds no water. In my thinking anyway, I do NOT mean this as an insult at all.

I have traveled the world, searching for the Holy Place and be contented
I have found no such place here on earth, many looking good and go the in for short time. Then I saw new, thanks to God Father in risen Son for me. the best place, the Holy place God came in to live through me by my willingness to be made new by God in risen Son and love all, not the few, I was first taught to by religion first.
We are Father's Temple, God gives us in risen Son to stand in Col 1:21-23
Wow, woe became me as I saw Isaiah 6:1-7 It has been done finished since day Seven in the rest God took then seeing everything as good. Flesh has destroyed much ever since, wanting to be God in God's place
Wow! I have been there too, now repented from that mind set

 

[BOY]

I agree with you here and any "temple" that any men build will be false and not "God's temple", not the "Holy place" the anti-Christ is supposed to stand in.

This is really main point here, it doesn't fit scripture if it's not Gods Holy Place, it does not say that the anti-Christ will stand in a false holy place, or even infer anywhere that I know of, that it will not be the true temple. This means that believing it is in truth adding to scripture. It's not like I just want to be right, or win an argument here. I honestly believe that it happened exactly how He said in would in every way, and He was not warning people and telling them that "this generation will not pass away before ALL these things take place", to people who would never need the information or ever have any clue what He was talking about because He really meant a very very distant generation would see these things. What's even more is that even secular history backs up exactly what Jesus said, yet we still hear debates using these words to argue that Jesus has false prophesies. When in truth it's a testament to His glory and adds to the perfect record of prophesy in the Bible.

The understanding I've always had, and what I've always been taught was that the anti-Christ would come to desecrate Gods Holy temple. It was never ever mentioned anywhere at anytime I ever heard it taught, that this was a false temple. Let's be honest here, a false temple can not be desecrated anyway, it in itself is a desecration.

Another teaching I always heard was that scripture was closed. That God no longer spoke to us in direct revelation as before, that now we had Hid word to point us to reconciliation through Jesus. Basically that scripture was closed. That's why we don't have to put too much stock into wondering if what Joseph Smith or Mohammed said was really coming from God.

These two things together make a third temple that would fulfill scripture impossible in the way that it has to be "Gods Holy Place", and in order for that to happen the God has to command His temple be rebuilt. With scripture closed in that way with no command to rebuild His temple, then the idea of a "Gods Holy Place" in the future just doesn't make sense at all.

This was as summed up as I could make it, I wasn't trying to keep posting walls of text, but you made a good point and I wanted to answer why I believed this answer still really holds no water. In my thinking anyway, I do NOT mean this as an insult at all.

A lot of that just went over my head. But I might begin to understand after a while. but not right now. So I will just answer that bit I did understand.

You do realize what you are saying here? that the man of sin will sit in our hearts. I know some Christians that believe that. it would have to be a fantastic swap swapping from Jesus to somebody else.

On the other hand. if the Jews build the temple. Nobody is going to call it God's unholy temple. And we are the only ones that will know that it is a false temple.

Rev11:1And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.

2But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

I'm not quite sure, but do you think Matthew 24 is fulfilled already?