Hal Lindsay dies at 95

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Everlasting-Grace

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The tabernacle of David is the tent they used in the wilderness. They could raise it in a day. They have already gathered all the instruments of the Holy Place that would go inside.
I know this.

but that does not prove there will be no temple.

Again, I can not see all the news media standing at a tent so they can record a future world leader of placing an Idol in the holy place..

And Jesus is not coming back to rule in a tent. He will come and rule in the temple itself.

I am nto sure why you are fighting this so much..
 

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I read luke. Luke is Jesus answering the 1st of three questions. When will this take place.. (when will not one stone be left standing)

In Matt 24. He is not answering that question. that is why he did nto mention the armies. because in Matts events. there will be no armies surrounding the city..

He is answering the other questions. when will the sign of your coming be. Remember. Jesus said when you see this idol in the holy place. there will be great tribulation. so great no flesh would survive (not even possible until the advent of nuclear technology) and immediately after the tribulations of those days he will return. in essence putting and end to tribulation before mankind wipes all life off the planet.

You need to think of context more
They are parallel passages. Same context.
 

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I know this.

but that does not prove there will be no temple.

Again, I can not see all the news media standing at a tent so they can record a future world leader of placing an Idol in the holy place..

And Jesus is not coming back to rule in a tent. He will come and rule in the temple itself.

I am nto sure why you are fighting this so much..
Simply stating the facts, there is no Bible verse that says the temple will be rebuilt and there is a verse saying the tabernacle of David will be raised.

So teaching Christians that the temple must be rebuilt is not Biblical.
 

Everlasting-Grace

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They are parallel passages. Same context.
No they are not

1 speaks of the desolation of the CITY
1 speaks of a great tribulation. so great if Jesus did not put a stop to it. no flesh would survive.

Again, You need to go deeper..
 

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Simply stating the facts, there is no Bible verse that says the temple will be rebuilt and there is a verse saying the tabernacle of David will be raised.
You seem to want to argue over things which can not be verified.

I showed you where it is reasonable to believe a third temple will be built

You can not show me a passage that says it will not be rebuilt. so I will go off what I see in scripture.

So teaching Christians that the temple must be rebuilt is not Biblical.
teaching them a temple must not be rebuilt is unbiblical.

it goes both ways..
 

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No they are not

1 speaks of the desolation of the CITY
1 speaks of a great tribulation. so great if Jesus did not put a stop to it. no flesh would survive.

Again, You need to go deeper..
We can go deeper if you like. From a Jewish perspective, what was the expectation they had of Messiah?
 

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You seem to want to argue over things which can not be verified.

I showed you where it is reasonable to believe a third temple will be built

You can not show me a passage that says it will not be rebuilt. so I will go off what I see in scripture.


teaching them a temple must not be rebuilt is unbiblical.

it goes both ways..
I have not said it can't be rebuilt, that is simply your bad hearing. I have said there is no Bible verse saying that it is and if it were you would expect Bible verses also talking about it being destroyed prior to the New Jerusalem descending from heaven. Revelation is very clear, there is no temple in the New Jerusalem.

Revelation 21:22 But I saw no temple in it, for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple.

I have also said that it would be an insult to the Lord to be sacrificing bulls, goats and sheep after He gave His own blood.
 

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Even if they did build a temple it would be total insult to the sacrifice Jesus made and so the Bible would record God destroying that temple.
Revelation 21:22 But I saw no temple in it, for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple.

The Bible tells us there is no temple and it never tells us the Jews build a third temple or that a third temple is destroyed. As I have said the Christian doctrine that the Jews must rebuild the temple is not Biblical.
 

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This thread is about Hal Lindsey and his legacy is not that he gave us perfect doctrines, his legacy is he got millions of people recognizing that the prophecies were being fulfilled and that the day of the Lord was near.

We need to be careful, we have many concepts and doctrines that are not Biblical, they are guesses, but that we cannot trust nor should we be hanging our hat on them.

In my opinion the most dangerous is the one about the Jews having to rebuild the temple. Christians are taught when you see the Jews rebuilding the temple that is the sign that the day of the Lord is at hand. That is baloney! Joel gives us the sign that tells us when the day of the Lord is at hand -- it is a worldwide pandemic that shuts down the economy. It is an event so big it has never happened before. Sure we know what a plague is, and we know what a quarantine is, but we have never seen it worldwide like this. If Christians were reading their bible instead of pop fiction they would all have realized that the Covid19 pandemic was a major sign that the day of the Lord was at hand.
 

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There can be no abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel the prophet and Jesus unless there is a temple.

At the least there must be a tabernacle with a Most Holy Place. The whole world will witness this event./
What would make a building the Jews (who rejected Jesus) built holy?
The Spirit of God will not be present.
 

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I have read several of his books back in the day. They were all good reads.
 

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I doubt Jesus is going to set up his kingdom in a tent. Yes they have a tabernacle (tent) set up. But their goal is the temple. which all it will take is a swipe of a pen and it will be built.
With modern building materials and processes the temple could be built in several months. Probably going to be built on the site where the Dome of the Rock is.
 

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With modern building materials and processes the temple could be built in several months. Probably going to be built on the site where the Dome of the Rock is.
Will never happen.
Anyone who believes a "holy" temple will be built and the sacrifices began again and God will accept it, needs to study Hebrews.
Jesus confirmed the new covenant with His blood when He died on the cross.
At that moment, the sacrifices offered in the temple were no longer accepted by God.
 

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I know Lindsay has a lot of followers, but I was not one.
He misled a lot of people concerning the "rapture" and the second coming of Jesus.
 

ZNP

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I know Lindsay has a lot of followers, but I was not one.
He misled a lot of people concerning the "rapture" and the second coming of Jesus.
Doesn't make him a false prophet, could simply be like Apollos who was not clear on the word of God.

I would simply warn people that although he was right to say that prophecies were being fulfilled and the day of the Lord was near, our understanding of the end time prophecies have progressed quite a bit from 40 years ago and I think we have a much more precise understanding of many more prophecies and signs.
 

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Doesn't make him a false prophet, could simply be like Apollos who was not clear on the word of God.

I would simply warn people that although he was right to say that prophecies were being fulfilled and the day of the Lord was near, our understanding of the end time prophecies have progressed quite a bit from 40 years ago and I think we have a much more precise understanding of many more prophecies and signs.
Never said he was a false prophet, but he was mistaken on the "rapture" and the second coming of Jesus.
Just as many of us on this forum are probably mistaken in many of our beliefs.
SO, in a sense, we all could be called false prophets when we insist we are 100% correct and those who disagree with us are 100% wrong.
 

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We can go deeper if you like. From a Jewish perspective, what was the expectation they had of Messiah?
Your trying to disregard the passage

Lets look at Luke and matt to see the differences.

Luke 21 - Not one stone left upon another
5 Then, as some spoke of the temple, how it was adorned with beautiful stones and donations, He said, 6 “These things which you see—the days will come in which not one stone shall be left upon another that shall not be thrown down.

7 So they asked Him, saying, “
Teacher, but when will these things be? And what sign will there be when these things are about to take place?”

Notice. they asked. when will these things be, and what will be the sign./ In context. it is the destruction of the temple complex (not one stone left upon another)

Jesus answer: The Destruction of Jerusalem
20 “But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation is near. 21 Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those who are in the midst of her depart, and let not those who are in the country enter her. 22 For these are the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. 23 But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! For there will be great distress in the land and wrath upon this people. 24 And they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led away captive into all nations. And Jerusalem will be trampled by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.

So in context. we have the destruction of the city. We have Israel led away captive, and we have jerusalem trampled until the times of the gentiles are fulfilled (what is this time of the gentiles. thats another discussion)

this ALL was fullfilled in 70 AD and is still being fulfilled today (Jerusalem is still being trampled even to this day)

Matt 24: The great tribulation
2 And Jesus said to them, “Do you not see all these things? Assuredly, I say to you, not one stone shall be left here upon another, that shall not be thrown down.”

we notice. up till here. Jesus says the same thing. not one stone will be left.

But as we read on. the disciples did nto just ask one question. they asked three.

3 Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?”

1. When will these things be (same as asked in Luke 21)
2. What will be the sign of your coming (not asked in Luke's account)
3. What is the sign of the end of the age (not asked in Luke's account)

Question number 1 was answered in Luke. Since Luke only wrote about the 1 question. and left out the rest of the questions. Luke is responding only to that first question. His reporting of Jesus response is only concerning that first question. Matt on the other hand, is going to focus on the other 2 questions. Thus he is not going to record what Jesus said about the first question.

concerning the 2nd 2 questions

15 “Therefore when you see the ‘abomination of desolation,’ spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place” (whoever reads, let him understand), 16 “then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17 Let him who is on the housetop not go down to take anything out of his house. 18 And let him who is in the field not go back to get his clothes. 19 But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! 20 And pray that your flight may not be in winter or on the Sabbath. 21 For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the [c]elect’s sake those days will be shortened.

so you have to take into account a few things

1. No armies are mentioned (because none are there
2. They witness this abomination of desolation standing in a holy place (emphasis is added. let the reader understand. this is more severe that the warning concerning the armies)
3. When you see this event RUN!!!!!
4. Why? Because then their will be great tribulation such as never been seen ON EARTH (not in Jerusalem as many say) before or after, so severe is this, if Jesus did not put an end. no flesh would survive (he puts an end to it at his return)
5. this gives us context. He is talking about the time of his return. NOT the time the temple complex will be destroyed.

so please. do not tell me you want to go deeper. when you will not even look at the passages itself.

Lukes account concerns one thing, the destruction of the temple. It was fulfilled just as Jesus said it would happen. and is still being fulfilled today

Matthews account concerns the time of the end of the age and the return of Christ. The AOD has no occurred until this day. and there has not been a great tribulation worldwide that is worst before or after (both WW2 and WW1 made ad 70 look like a picnic. as bad as ad 70and the destruction was. it paled in comparison. Not to mention. In Lukes account Israel was nto saved out of it. She was killed and scattered. the great tribulation (also called the time of Jacobs trouble) Israel will be saved. In fact. it is the time Israel will be restored. And the kingdom of David is fulfilled

Jer 30:
Alas! For that day is great, So that none is like it; And it is the time of Jacob’s trouble, But he shall be saved out of it.

8 ‘For it shall come to pass in that day,’ Says the Lord of hosts, ‘That
I will break his yoke from your neck, And will burst your bonds;
Foreigners shall no more enslave them. 9 But they shall serve the Lord their God, And David their king, Whom I will raise up for them.


The king is Jesus. the time is at the end of this time of great tribulation or Jacob's trouble..
 

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I have not said it can't be rebuilt, that is simply your bad hearing. I have said there is no Bible verse saying that it is and if it were you would expect Bible verses also talking about it being destroyed prior to the New Jerusalem descending from heaven. Revelation is very clear, there is no temple in the New Jerusalem.

Revelation 21:22 But I saw no temple in it, for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple.

I have also said that it would be an insult to the Lord to be sacrificing bulls, goats and sheep after He gave His own blood.
Hey bro. This is a nonsensical argument

You see one thing I see another. it is really not worth arguing over.

yes, it will be an insult to God for them to do this. But they did it for 30 years after Messiah was killed. and we are told they will do it up until the time the Abomination of desolation occurs. when again, sacrifice and burnt offering will be caused to stop. Just like Daniel said in Daniel 9.

Prophecy is god telling us what will happen. Not God telling us how to live.
 

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This thread is about Hal Lindsey and his legacy is not that he gave us perfect doctrines, his legacy is he got millions of people recognizing that the prophecies were being fulfilled and that the day of the Lord was near.

We need to be careful, we have many concepts and doctrines that are not Biblical, they are guesses, but that we cannot trust nor should we be hanging our hat on them.

In my opinion the most dangerous is the one about the Jews having to rebuild the temple. Christians are taught when you see the Jews rebuilding the temple that is the sign that the day of the Lord is at hand. That is baloney! Joel gives us the sign that tells us when the day of the Lord is at hand -- it is a worldwide pandemic that shuts down the economy. It is an event so big it has never happened before. Sure we know what a plague is, and we know what a quarantine is, but we have never seen it worldwide like this. If Christians were reading their bible instead of pop fiction they would all have realized that the Covid19 pandemic was a major sign that the day of the Lord was at hand.
The most dangerous is to ignore the words of God and claim things will not happen. or they have already happened when they have not

Saying the jews will build a temple is not dangerous at all. Israel is still blinded in part. they are still in sin. Whether they do this sacrifices in a tent of meeting. or in a rebuilt temple does not matter. they will do it. In sin, and the future man of sin WILl put an end to it by placing an idol in the Holy Place.

these things are true..
 

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What would make a building the Jews (who rejected Jesus) built holy?
The Spirit of God will not be present.
The spirit of God was not present in Jesus day.

Yet Jesus called it his fathers house when he over through the tables and kicked the money changers out of the temple grounds.

God had not been in the temple for centuries by the time christ arrived on the seen, Yet he still called it his fathers house.

The temple has in it a holy place. that is the name of it. That is the only reference to what is called holy.

And jesus said, when you see the abomination of desolation standing in the Holy Place. RUN!!

It is a warning for the people alive in that day.. He even said, let the reader understand.. This to me shows that no one living in Jesus day would witness this event.. But people can read about it. which we are doing today.

I firmly believe when Israel sees it and the world sees it. there will be a huge awakening, and an eye opening..