God had given us a commandment the Tithes & Offerings. How people today followed the commandment?

[Godsgood]

DEUTORONOMY 14:22-23

22 Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year.

23 And thou shalt eat before the Lord thy God, in the place which he shall choose to place his name there, the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstlings of thy herds and of thy flocks; that thou mayest learn to fear the Lord thy God always.

 

[GWH]

DEUTORONOMY 14:22-23

22 Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year.

23 And thou shalt eat before the Lord thy God, in the place which he shall choose to place his name there, the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstlings of thy herds and of thy flocks; that thou mayest learn to fear the Lord thy God always.

I am surprised the verse you cite is not Malachi 3:8-12, especially v. 10. However, the NT instruction amends the OT command thusly in 2CR 9:6-15, especially v.7: "Each man should give what he has decided in his heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver."

 

[homwardbound]

DEUTORONOMY 14:22-23

22 Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year.

23 And thou shalt eat before the Lord thy God, in the place which he shall choose to place his name there, the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstlings of thy herds and of thy flocks; that thou mayest learn to fear the Lord thy God always.

So much to learn. This was done for the tribe of the Levites to give their total lives to God/, to 24/7 be studying to tell the others truth over errors.
The other 11 tribes were to support the Levitical Priesthood. Which went astray and became misused.
Then Jesus came on the scene to show them their fallacies in using others for their own self gain and did that, including healing many back then as proof to the people God loves them and will not fallaciously use them.
So, they killed Jesus, to stop him, them not getting what they wanted here and present anymore. "Job security" got Jesus killed by them the Pharisees
They would not have known their sin, if Jesus never came here to reveal it to them, and us all in selfishness.
Well, it is revealed to me and all others as well, and in love he went to that cross for us all to forgive us all first, Reconciled (2 Cor 5:17-20)
that is done once for everyone (Hebrews 10:10) to be given free of charge to all as reconciled, those that turn to believe in his being risen where new life begins. And those that continues, will one day see this truth and these are freed, while in adversities. That is when the gift becomes personal between God Father, Son and you
We then can rejoice in all things good or bad presently, not under Law any more to do to get
What?
Read 2 Cor Chapters 6,7,8
The Art of Giving over having to give just Ten percent
see Luke 21 about the woman who only gave 2 pence and the other that gave more. As Jesus revealed the woman gave more
A conundrum of things for us the people to be sincere in. doing only what is right
Saul did and was changed who sincerely wanted to know God, all that are sincere will see this love and mercy and thus give as are given

 

[Blade]

DEUTORONOMY 14:22-23

22 Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year.

23 And thou shalt eat before the Lord thy God, in the place which he shall choose to place his name there, the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstlings of thy herds and of thy flocks; that thou mayest learn to fear the Lord thy God always.

Its not my business to know who is and who is not giving. Now if its my Church I can ask I can share I can preach.. but as its written we do not answer to man Then He will never ever make one feel guilty or shame or condemned if they do not.... the enemy will and some Christians will.. but He never does

What matters is.. if these verses are talking to you.. then you best be doing it.

 

[Dino246]

DEUTORONOMY 14:22-23

22 Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year.

23 And thou shalt eat before the Lord thy God, in the place which he shall choose to place his name there, the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstlings of thy herds and of thy flocks; that thou mayest learn to fear the Lord thy God always.

These commands were given to ancient Israel and not to Christians.

So... what's your point?

 

[Aaron56]

Paul gives some clear instruction regarding money and support in the church: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1 Timothy 5&version=NKJV

Here, “honor” relates to money and wages. Elders relate to church leadership. Every elder is a pastor. But not every pastor is an elder.

Because many churches are institutionalized, 501c3 agencies much of the above passage is misunderstood.

 

[Zandar]

I think its a good idea too pay tithes because its fair. Its a fair way to keep the church building up, pay the preacher and take care of those that need help. Its also a biblical number used for a long long time. If you look at the first church that sold everything to divide it up to those in need, 10 percent doesn't seem like much.

 

[Dino246]

I think its a good idea too pay tithes because its fair. Its a fair way to keep the church building up, pay the preacher and take care of those that need help. Its also a biblical number used for a long long time. If you look at the first church that sold everything to divide it up to those in need, 10 percent doesn't seem like much.

"Fair"... hmmm....

I disagree. "Paying tithes" has nothing whatsoever to do with "fair". It also has nothing whatsoever to do with Scripture, because tithes in Scripture were never payable in money. Further, "paying tithes" is an old covenant requirement, not a new covenant instruction.

The instructions that are given in the New Testament are genuinely "fair" (if indeed there is such a concept in Scripture): each should give willingly and not under any compulsion what they have purposed in their hearts to give. The congregational leaders should make known the corporate needs (power, rent, insurance, etc.) while leaving their own income in the Lord's hands if they don't work outside the church.

By the way, the first church did not sell everything.

 

[Zandar]

When life gets tough, me and my wife say, we are doing our part and the Lord will see us through like He always does. I take comfort that I pay my tithes.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

The tithe was the fulfillment of Jacob's vow to God to give him a tenth of everything God gave him. Since Jacob never possessed the land he was promised God required his descendants to fulfill that vow when they inherited the land. Tithes are meaningless apart from the land and being physical descendants of Jacob. That dispensation has been abolished. Christians have turned it into a 10% income tax, which is an abomination to God.

The Sin of Tithing
https://www.askelm.com/tithing/index.asp

 

[Stokie]

Tithing is a very personal matter between you and God. Nobody should be judging you if you do or don’t, neither should anyone try to push you into it.

My story… I felt like God was challenging me on my giving and had been for a few weeks. Finally, one Sunday morning I decided that if I believed Gods word then He would always look after me and so I decided to start tithing. Problem was how do I tell my wife I’m giving a chunk of our money to church ?

As we drove home from church that morning I tried to figure out how best to break the news to her. We sat in relative silence for a few miles, lost in our own thoughts. Finally I reached my conclusion. You know what, I’m just going to come right out and say it, I thought.

I was just about to speak when my wife said

‘can I talk to you about something ?’

‘Of course you can, what’s wrong ?’ I said.

‘Well, for a few weeks now I feel Gods been challenging me on tithing and well, I know it’s a big decision but I feel we should start doing it, what do you think ?’ !!

Without the other one knowing, God had challenged us both with the same thing at the same time. At that point we knew it was the right thing for us and so began straight away and have done ever since.

I can honestly say that God has never failed us and despite us giving more away than before we somehow finish each month with slightly more than we used to.

Now, I’m not telling you you have to and neither am I saying you don’t. What you do is between you and God, nobody else is in that equation and nobody else should comment or judge your personal choice.

If you feel the Holy Spirit is prompting you then I’d pray about it and go with it. He will never fail you, that’s His promise.

 

[homwardbound]

Tithing is a very personal matter between you and God. Nobody should be judging you if you do or don’t, neither should anyone try to push you into it.

My story… I felt like God was challenging me on my giving and had been for a few weeks. Finally, one Sunday morning I decided that if I believed Gods word then He would always look after me and so I decided to start tithing. Problem was how do I tell my wife I’m giving a chunk of our money to church ?

As we drove home from church that morning I tried to figure out how best to break the news to her. We sat in relative silence for a few miles, lost in our own thoughts. Finally I reached my conclusion. You know what, I’m just going to come right out and say it, I thought.

I was just about to speak when my wife said

‘can I talk to you about something ?’

‘Of course you can, what’s wrong ?’ I said.

‘Well, for a few weeks now I feel Gods been challenging me on tithing and well, I know it’s a big decision but I feel we should start doing it, what do you think ?’ !!

Without the other one knowing, God had challenged us both with the same thing at the same time. At that point we knew it was the right thing for us and so began straight away and have done ever since.

I can honestly say that God has never failed us and despite us giving more away than before we somehow finish each month with slightly more than we used to.

Now, I’m not telling you you have to and neither am I saying you don’t. What you do is between you and God, nobody else is in that equation and nobody else should comment or judge your personal choice.

If you feel the Holy Spirit is prompting you then I’d pray about it and go with it. He will never fail you, that’s His promise.

2 Corinthians 9:7
Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.

Not under Tithing, when are, one will only give Ten percent and expect God to bless them. Outside of that, not under have to do, one does willingly as knows in their own self what to do,
God is cool, loves us all and wants us to see the willingness given us to respond to with all sin taken away today through Son Jesus for us to be new in God's Spirit and Truth, no more alive to the first birth of flesh.
Acts 17:28
for in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.

 

[Godsgood]

DEUTORONOMY 14:22-23

22 Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year.

23 And thou shalt eat before the Lord thy God, in the place which he shall choose to place his name there, the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstlings of thy herds and of thy flocks; that thou mayest learn to fear the Lord thy God always.

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With regards to Tithes & Offerings, whoever offer his or her Tithes will received the sweet promise and bless of God.

MALACHI 3:10-12
10 Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the Lord of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.
11 And I will rebuke the devourer for your sakes, and he shall not destroy the fruits of your ground; neither shall your vine cast her fruit before the time in the field, saith the Lord of hosts.
12 And all nations shall call you blessed: for ye shall be a delightsome land, saith the Lord of hosts.

But whosoever not to offer his or her Tithes is a Robber and will be Cursed by God.
MALACHI 3:8-12
8 Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings.
9 Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation.

The Commandment is in Old Testament.
How about in The New Testament?
Did our Lord Jesus Christ and his apostles obeyed the Commandment in Tithes & Offerings?

 

[Dino246]

With regards to Tithes & Offerings, whoever offer his or her Tithes will received the sweet promise and bless of God.

Under the Sinai covenant, one did not "offer" his or her tithes; they brought them. They were compulsory.

How about in The New Testament?
Did our Lord Jesus Christ and his apostles obeyed the Commandment in Tithes & Offerings?

Jesus was not a farmer, so He had no crops to tithe. There is no record that any of the apostles were farmers, so they too would be exempt from bringing tithes. The command to bring tithes was not carried forward or reiterated in the new covenant, so for Christians there is no such requirement, and no blessings to claim. Our blessings are through faith in and obedience to Christ.

 

[wattie]

A New Testament church has bills to pay. The pastor ideally should have some financial support .. there is rent of the building (unless its a home church building).. there is insurance, paying for food, paying for power, paying for missions, stationery etc etc..

Who pays this?

It would ideally be the congregation that does. Or at least contributes.

So..what has been the standard in the bible for this kind of support? 10 percent.

That is some of where tithing comes from.

Would the support of a NT church financially be different to the OT tithe in amount?

I dont see why.

 

[Dino246]

A New Testament church has bills to pay. The pastor ideally should have some financial support .. there is rent of the building (unless its a home church building).. there is insurance, paying for food, paying for power, paying for missions, stationery etc etc..

Who pays this?

It would ideally be the congregation that does. Or at least contributes.

I agree with all this.

So..what has been the standard in the bible for this kind of support? 10 percent.

Um, no, that's not in the Bible. Tithes were used to support the Levites, who did not own farmland. They did not contribute for insurance, power, missions, stationery, etc.

Would the support of a NT church financially be different to the OT tithe in amount?

I dont see why.

Because you haven't considered all that Levites did. They were the government, police force, medical personnel, building and farm inspectors, and likely other roles. Pastors don't do all that, and the government is happy to take about 25-35% off the top of our incomes to cover those costs.

Tithes are an old covenant requirement... period. They have no correspondence under the new covenant. We as Christians are taught to offer support but there is no percentage requirement (or even suggestion). You're welcome to contribute 10% of your income if you choose, but there simply is no biblical warrant to do so. [/QUOTE]

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Um, no, that's not in the Bible. Tithes were used to support the Levites, who did not own farmland. They did not contribute for insurance, power, missions, stationery, etc.

Yes they did. They had Levitical cities with surrounding land to grow crops and raise livestock

Command the children of Israel, that they give unto the Levites of the inheritance of their possession cities to dwell in; and ye shall give also unto the Levites suburbs for the cities round about them. And the cities shall they have to dwell in; and the suburbs of them shall be for their cattle, and for their goods, and for all their beasts. Numbers 35:2-3​

 

[homwardbound]

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With regards to Tithes & Offerings, whoever offer his or her Tithes will received the sweet promise and bless of God.

MALACHI 3:10-12
10 Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the Lord of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.
11 And I will rebuke the devourer for your sakes, and he shall not destroy the fruits of your ground; neither shall your vine cast her fruit before the time in the field, saith the Lord of hosts.
12 And all nations shall call you blessed: for ye shall be a delightsome land, saith the Lord of hosts.

But whosoever not to offer his or her Tithes is a Robber and will be Cursed by God.
MALACHI 3:8-12
8 Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings.
9 Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation.

The Commandment is in Old Testament.
How about in The New Testament?
Did our Lord Jesus Christ and his apostles obeyed the Commandment in Tithes & Offerings?

Christ fulfilled the Law and Prophets for as, the people
Matthew 5:17 he came to fulfill the Law, not destroy it. He fulfilled its in John 19:30, then risen the third day where the new life in the risen Christ from God Father is offered all to choose to believe God or not
So choose I have and I bet you too, thank you

 

[Zandar]

A New Testament church has bills to pay. The pastor ideally should have some financial support .. there is rent of the building (unless its a home church building).. there is insurance, paying for food, paying for power, paying for missions, stationery etc etc..

Who pays this?

It would ideally be the congregation that does. Or at least contributes.

So..what has been the standard in the bible for this kind of support? 10 percent.

That is some of where tithing comes from.

Would the support of a NT church financially be different to the OT tithe in amount?

I dont see why.

Well said.

 

[NightTwister]

A New Testament church has bills to pay. The pastor ideally should have some financial support.

Certainly this, but a reasonable salary, not what these megachurch pastors make.

.. there is rent of the building (unless its a home church building).. there is insurance, paying for food, paying for power.

Why? Churches proved during COVID that a building isn't required to meet

paying for missions

This can be done directly to the missionaries and more likely brings greater oversight and accountability.

stationery

How 19th Century of you. Today it would be electronics required for video and broadcast.

10 percent.

10 percent is much more than is required to fund a church.

U.S. Christians collectively make $5.2 trillion annually, and give on average $884 per year. The church seems to be getting by just fine with that.