Questions about Adam and Eve

[Cameron143]

I believe that the object of faith in all true religions, not just Islam, is the belief in the oneness of God and living a life in accordance with His commands and prohibitions which is essential for attaining the pleasure of God and achieving success in this world and the hereafter. Then we will find that each religion has its own more details and rules, for example, in Islam, there are six pillars of faith..etc

In Islam, do you recognize sin? If so, what is the basis for the forgiveness of sin?

 

[Bataal]

Christianity is primarily about believing on Christ Jesus for salvation. Essentially, God became a man, was born as a descendant of Eve - seed of the woman and our kinsman-redeemer - lived a perfect life, was crucified on a cross for our sins, died and was buried in a tomb, and on the third day rose again, for the forgiveness of all who believe on Him.

Unfortunately, not all Christians believe the bible.

I think beliefs can be categorised into three groups:
1) The Genesis story didn't actually happen, and was just some sort of parable or allegory.
2) The Genesis story did happen, but not exactly as described - e.g. there were also other human beings created by God, and some of us are descended from these.
3) The Genesis story happened as the bible describes.

Only 3 is logically consistent with the bible and the rest of the gospel message,

Thank you so much.. You’ve made me curious about the Genesis story, so I searched for it, and I found many interesting things that are quite similar to what exists in Islam (quoted below). I was reading and thought I might be getting information from Islam rather than Christianity .

The Fall (Genesis 3)

• Adam and Eve eat from the Tree of Knowledge after being tempted by a serpent. This act of disobedience brings sin into the world, resulting in their expulsion from Eden.

Cain and Abel (Genesis 4)

• Adam and Eve's sons, Cain and Abel, offer sacrifices to God. Cain, feeling rejected, becomes jealous and kills Abel. As punishment, Cain is cursed and becomes a wanderer.

The Flood (Genesis 6-9)

• Humanity becomes wicked, and God decides to flood the earth to cleanse it. He instructs Noah to build an ark to save his family and pairs of each animal. After the flood, God promises never to destroy the earth again and sets a rainbow as a sign of this covenant.

but despite this, some Christians insist on believing 1 or 2.

That kind of people who hold beliefs based on such points 1 and 2 can be found in every religion.

Similar to the above, not all Christians believe the same.
Some believe:
1) The Genesis story didn't actually happen, and there was no paradise.
2) There was a type of paradise, but still with death and suffering - again not exactly as the bible describes.
3) The garden of Eden where Adam and Eve were was exactly as the Genesis account describes - paradise.
Again, only 3 is consistent with the biblical record.

I'm really sorry for anyone here who believe on No 2, but it makes me laugh and can’t stop myself from laughing.

But I have a question please.
You mentioned three points (1, 2, 3), who believes on the No 3 ? Protestants, Catholics, or both?

 

[Bataal]

In Islam, do you recognize sin? If so, what is the basis for the forgiveness of sin?

Everyone has sins. No one is perfect. Only God is perfect .

In Islam, I think when a person sins, he/she simply repent and engage in supplication, asking for forgiveness regardless of how great the sin.

It is important to stop the sin immediately. If the sin is against God, it should be abandoned. If it is against another person, then be absolved from the sinner by either returning what was taken to him/her, or asking him/her for forgiveness.

For repentance to be accepted by God, certain conditions must be met:
- The person must genuinely feel remorse for their sin.
- Abandoning the Sin.
- A firm intention not to commit the sin again in the future.

 

[Cameron143]

Everyone has sins. No one is perfect. Only God is perfect .

In Islam, I think when a person sins, he/she simply repent and engage in supplication, asking for forgiveness regardless of how great the sin.

It is important to stop the sin immediately. If the sin is against God, it should be abandoned. If it is against another person, then be absolved from the sinner by either returning what was taken to him/her, or asking him/her for forgiveness.

For repentance to be accepted by God, certain conditions must be met:
- The person must genuinely feel remorse for their sin.
- Abandoning the Sin.
- A firm intention not to commit the sin again in the future.

This is a major difference between Christianity and other religions. In Christianity, the basis for the forgiveness of sin is not contrition, but the reality that that sins are paid for. While the things you mention do attend a time of confession for a Christian, they are not the cause of forgiveness.

 

[Bataal]

This is a major difference between Christianity and other religions. In Christianity, the basis for the forgiveness of sin is not contrition, but the reality that that sins are paid for.

If you commit a sins, what do you do? Do you do nothing? just because the sins are forgiven / paid for?
What if you commit sins again? Do you do nothing?

While the things you mention do attend a time of confession for a Christian, they are not the cause of forgiveness.

What does "a time of confession for a Christian" mean?
I searched for its meaning and found the following : The "confession time" for a Christian typically refers to a period when individuals acknowledge their sins and seek forgiveness from God.
Is that the correct meaning? Please explain if it is not.

 

[Cameron143]

If you commit a sins, what do you do? Do you do nothing? just because the sins are forgiven / paid for?
What if you commit sins again? Do you do nothing?




What does "a time of confession for a Christian" mean?
I searched for its meaning and found the following : The "confession time" for a Christian typically refers to a period when individuals acknowledge their sins and seek forgiveness from God.
Is that the correct meaning? Please explain if it is not.

A Christian should daily confess his or her sins before the Lord, at a minimum. This is taught in the Lord's prayer in Matthew 6. Keeping short accounts with God tends to keep one both humble and dependent. But the reason God forgives sin is because it was paid for on the cross.
In Islam, why do individuals believe God forgives sin?

 

[Bataal]

A Christian should daily confess his or her sins before the Lord, at a minimum. This is taught in the Lord's prayer in Matthew 6. Keeping short accounts with God tends to keep one both humble and dependent.

Lord means God, right?
If so, that means it’s similar to what I already mentioned (to repent and supplicate to God for forgiveness).

Well my dear, you’ve raised a question in my mind about sins. Are sins in Christianity considered the same regardless of their nature? For example, are talking badly about someone, stealing, killing, or committing rape all viewed the same way? and what you need is just confess daily?

But the reason God forgives sin is because it was paid for on the cross.

Another question has arisen, if sins are paid for and forgiven, and I believe in Christ, what happens if I don’t confess? Is confession mandatory?

In Islam, why do individuals believe God forgives sin?

God says so in the Qur'an. He forgives sins when one adheres to what I have already mentioned.

 

[Cameron143]

Lord means God, right?
If so, that means it’s similar to what I already mentioned (to repent and supplicate to God for forgiveness).

Well my dear, you’ve raised a question in my mind about sins. Are sins in Christianity considered the same regardless of their nature? For example, are talking badly about someone, stealing, killing, or committing rape all viewed the same way? and what you need is just confess daily?




Another question has arisen, if sins are paid for and forgiven, and I believe in Christ, what happens if I don’t confess? Is confession mandatory?




God says so in the Qur'an. He forgives sins when one adheres to what I have already mentioned.

What I was trying to understand about Islam was whether sins were forgiven because they are paid for or because someone follows a set of prescribed rules. I also asked you about the object of faith earlier. The reason for doing this was to help you understand that the Christian faith is predicted upon the person and work of the Lord Jesus Christ. Our faith is in Him and what He has done on our behalf to reconcile us to God.
So far as I can tell about Islam is that you trust what you have done to reconcile yourself to God.

 

[Gideon300]

Is it true?
What do you think I’m looking for here in this site? I’m not trying to prove whether Christianity, Judaism, or Islam is true or false. I believe that is a personal decision and everyone should respect each individual's choice. I’m here to find answers to some very complicated questions that are fighting in my mind.


You reject Catholics as well, and will do the same for anything that isn’t Protestant
I'm sorry to say so, but that is the part of human nature

I reject anything that is contrary to the truth of God's word. I know Catholics who are fine Christians who reject the present Pope's heresy. I know Protestants who have embraced the woke progressive agenda and I reject that too. Jesus described the road to Life as narrow and that few find it. I am one of the few. That's not a boast, Lord Jesus put me on that narrow road and it His grace that keeps me there.

Jesus also said that the road to destruction is wide. I have no desire to join the multitudes on that road.

I respect the choice of individuals just as much as God does. However, I am also required by God to exhort the lost to turn from their wicked ways and accept Lord Jesus as Saviour and Lord. Choices have consequences.

I do not badger people. If they tell me to leave them alone, I will.

I was one who searched for knowledge. I was reading the encyclopaedia while my peers were reading comics. I'm not especially intelligent, just very curious. However, Once I found the Truth, Jesus, many of my questions were answered. I still like to learn new things, but does not drive me as it once did. I suggest that you keep it simple. It makes life so much easier.

 

[CommodoreTeach]

I'm really sorry for anyone here who believe on No 2, but it makes me laugh and can’t stop myself from laughing.

Yes! It would be funny, if it wasn't so sad. Jesus described people as sheep, because that is how we behave. I sadly have some contempt for sheep as very stupid animals, but that is how we as people can be. Sometimes happily believing contradictory beliefs.

But I have a question please.
You mentioned three points (1, 2, 3), who believes on the No 3 ? Protestants, Catholics, or both?

I think both groups have all three types of people. With Catholics, the emphasis is often on faith (in Christ) plus works. They won't necessarily describe their faith as this, but this is often what it will amount to. (Some Protestant denominations also, but part of the reason for the Protestant reformation was to do away with Catholic traditions that weren't found in the bible).

The question with adding works to salvation is how much works is enough? However, God makes it clear in His word, and says that the best of our righteous deeds are as filthy rags to Him. Trusting in good works for salvation would be like a murderer asking a trial judge for leniency as between crime sprees, the murderer helped an old lady cross the street. A just judge can't acquit someone of a crime simply because of a good work (or even many good works).

For repentance to be accepted by God, certain conditions must be met:
- The person must genuinely feel remorse for their sin.
- Abandoning the Sin.
- A firm intention not to commit the sin again in the future.

This is true, but justice demands that the sin still be paid for. Otherwise, a merciful God (in forgiving sin) will actually be condoning it, and become unjust. The role of Jesus Christ is that He, being born as a man, willingly took the judgement for our sin upon Himself, despite being guilty of no sin of His own.

When one believes on Christ Jesus, that one becomes aware of his sin, and God's just punishment for sin (an eternity in Hell). He confesses his sin before God, and acknowledges that God, in his mercy and loving-kindness, was born as the God-man Christ Jesus and died on the cross, as the just payment for such sin. The one believing on Christ asks God's intervention in His life (repentance), to change his heart so as not to be enticed by further sin. Although Christians still do sin after believing on Christ Jesus, God's sacrifice for sin covers all past, present and future sins, for those who truly have believed on Christ. God's Holy Spirit works in the hearts of those who believe on Christ Jesus, so that when they do sin, they become aware of it, repent of it, and try to resist it in future (sanctification).

 

[Bataal]

I think both groups have all three types of people. With Catholics, the emphasis is often on faith (in Christ) plus works. They won't necessarily describe their faith as this, but this is often what it will amount to. (Some Protestant denominations also, but part of the reason for the Protestant reformation was to do away with Catholic traditions that weren't found in the bible).

The question with adding works to salvation is how much works is enough? However, God makes it clear in His word, and says that the best of our righteous deeds are as filthy rags to Him. Trusting in good works for salvation would be like a murderer asking a trial judge for leniency as between crime sprees, the murderer helped an old lady cross the street. A just judge can't acquit someone of a crime simply because of a good work (or even many good works).

For me, I see No. 3 as the group that is closest to the true and right way.

But what do you think? Is the majority in favor of No. 3 ? or do Numbers 1 and 2 have more followers?
I mean that do you believe that the group (whether Protestant or Catholic) that believes in No. 3 is larger than the groups that adhere to No. 1 and 2? what is your expectation please?

This is true, but justice demands that the sin still be paid for. Otherwise, a merciful God (in forgiving sin) will actually be condoning it, and become unjust. The role of Jesus Christ is that He, being born as a man, willingly took the judgement for our sin upon Himself, despite being guilty of no sin of His own.

When one believes on Christ Jesus, that one becomes aware of his sin, and God's just punishment for sin (an eternity in Hell). He confesses his sin before God, and acknowledges that God, in his mercy and loving-kindness, was born as the God-man Christ Jesus and died on the cross, as the just payment for such sin. The one believing on Christ asks God's intervention in His life (repentance), to change his heart so as not to be enticed by further sin. Although Christians still do sin after believing on Christ Jesus, God's sacrifice for sin covers all past, present and future sins, for those who truly have believed on Christ. God's Holy Spirit works in the hearts of those who believe on Christ Jesus, so that when they do sin, they become aware of it, repent of it, and try to resist it in future (sanctification).

From your above answer, I can understand and say that sins in Christianity are considered the same, regardless of their nature. For example, talking badly about someone, stealing, killing, or committing rape all viewed/seen the same way and regarded as equal. Is that Right?

 

[Bataal]

Are you Ok dear @Magenta
You’ve been sleeping for a long time
I’m a bit worried about you.

 

[Magenta]

Are you Ok dear @Magenta
You’ve been sleeping for a long time
I’m a bit worried about you.

I do sleep as much as I can dear Bataal, although sometimes it seems not enough, for at my age (I am almost 70) sleeping through the night is rare, and I do still work but only part time, and that also exhausts me somewhat. Then I need naps, and naps interfere with my ability to sleep at night LOL. It is a never ending cycle heehee. I hope you and your lovely wife are well, is there a question for me today?

 

[CommodoreTeach]

For me, I see No. 3 as the group that is closest to the true and right way.

But what do you think? Is the majority in favor of No. 3 ? or do Numbers 1 and 2 have more followers?
I mean that do you believe that the group (whether Protestant or Catholic) that believes in No. 3 is larger than the groups that adhere to No. 1 and 2? what is your expectation please?

I think 1 and 2 have more followers. It's easier to go with the world than stand for Christ. But I believe 3 is the true and right way also.

From your above answer, I can understand and say that sins in Christianity are considered the same, regardless of their nature. For example, talking badly about someone, stealing, killing, or committing rape all viewed/seen the same way and regarded as equal. Is that Right?

You will get different answers on this. I say no, because God had different punishments in the Old Testament. Stealing can be made right - the thief had to pay back ten-fold. Rape and murder were largely capital crimes punishable by death. However, all sins fall short of God's glory, and lead to death.

So while some Christians (including me) may argue that not all sins are equally evil, the ultimate punishment for all of them is death. Jesus also tells us that not all are punished equally - for example, the servant who knows his master's will and does not do it will be punished more severely than the servant who does not know it.

 

[Bob-Carabbio]

Because you are looking at the Qur'an from a Christian eyes / perspective, you say that.
I don’t blame you.
For me, I can’t despise anything that others see as valuable.

Since The Quran is WORTHLESS in terms of cleansing a person from SIN, and will DOOM it's followers to HELL when they die physically, it IS TO BE DESPISED in the strongest terms. It's a satanic document packed with LIES, he BIGGEST ONE being that Jesus DID NOT die on the cross, which eliminates salvation for all the victims that follow it.

 

[Bataal]

I do sleep as much as I can dear Bataal, although sometimes it seems not enough, for at my age (I am almost 70) sleeping through the night is rare, and I do still work but only part time, and that also exhausts me somewhat. Then I need naps, and naps interfere with my ability to sleep at night LOL. It is a never ending cycle heehee. I hope you and your lovely wife are well, is there a question for me today?

Sorry for my absence, I’ve been overwhelmed with work because we’re approaching the end of the year.
I truly wish you a long life, over a hundred years with a healthy and active mind.
70 years still means you’re in the middle of your journey and make the most of the opportunities ahead.
As for me, my wife and four daughters are doing great, thanks to only God.
I’ll get back to you with questions once I have some rest.

 

[Bataal]

I think 1 and 2 have more followers. It's easier to go with the world than stand for Christ. But I believe 3 is the true and right way also.

Wow
Your answer is similar to what is found in the Quran.
Interesting

You will get different answers on this. I say no, because God had different punishments in the Old Testament. Stealing can be made right - the thief had to pay back ten-fold. Rape and murder were largely capital crimes punishable by death. However, all sins fall short of God's glory, and lead to death.

So while some Christians (including me) may argue that not all sins are equally evil, the ultimate punishment for all of them is death. Jesus also tells us that not all are punished equally - for example, the servant who knows his master's will and does not do it will be punished more severely than the servant who does not know it.

The punishment you’re referring to is after death, correct? Not during our lifetime, right?
I mean the punishment on Judgment Day (after death) will be much stronger based on the severity of the sins?
Please correct me if I’m wrong.

 

[CommodoreTeach]

The punishment you’re referring to is after death, correct? Not during our lifetime, right?
I mean the punishment on Judgment Day (after death) will be much stronger based on the severity of the sins?
Please correct me if I’m wrong.

This is what Jesus was implying, yes. But I get the impression it will be pretty nasty all around. Weeping, wailing, fire, sulphur, and gnashing of teeth. Something to be avoided by all accounts.

By the way, I apologise for some of the disrespectful comments made by others. Jesus actually commands us to treat others with gentleness and respect. So these ones who treat you this way are actually defying the commands of their own Lord.

 

[Bataal]

Since The Quran is WORTHLESS in terms of cleansing a person from SIN, and will DOOM it's followers to HELL when they die physically, it IS TO BE DESPISED in the strongest terms. It's a satanic document packed with LIES, he BIGGEST ONE being that Jesus DID NOT die on the cross, which eliminates salvation for all the victims that follow it.

Well, my dear, do you think that if Jesus were alive today, he would despise the Quran and speak badly about Quran as you do?
I don’t think so, unless there are verses in the Bible that contain insults.
You need to control your hate and racist feelings and speak and act in accordance with the teachings of Jesus and the Bible.

 

[Bob-Carabbio]

Well, my dear, do you think that if Jesus were alive today, he would despise the Quran and speak badly about Quran as you do?

Since it's all satanic LIES, I'm sure He'd condemn it even MORE strongly than I do.

I don’t think so, unless there are verses in the Bible that contain insults.

You've obviously never read the bible if you can ask that question.

You need to control your hate and racist feelings and speak and act in accordance with the teachings of Jesus and the Bible.

Nothing "Racist" about it. The Quran is full of satanic LIES, and spiritually WORTHLESS - period.