Understanding God’s election

[Genez]

I perceive you've been estranged from from rational thought since birth, so quit pretending you have reasoning powers.

You are still playing parlor games?

 

[Cameron143]

Don't feel that way, simply because I take time to try to reason with you...
I hope others will benefit for what you comments prompt me to write..

I'm still waiting on the evidence of reason. Also, I asked for scripture references. You always have some to misapply. How about just answering the questions I ask and stop assuming what I haven't asked.
I have never seen anyone give so many answers to questions that aren't asked.

 

[Genez]

All red herrings! .

Omega 3's are very good for you!

 

[Genez]

I'm still waiting on the evidence of reason.

You simply resent, and will continue doing what you do.
You do not even know why you resent, but I am sure you think you do.

 

[Rufus]

@Genez



Yes Gods Elect, but not just jews it includes Gentile elect also Acts 11:18

18 When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.

God GRANTED repentance? According to some here, that was a universal, God-given birthright from day one.

 

[Rufus]

Omega 3's are very good for you!

Much better than your "good teachers'.

 

[cv5]

All red herrings!

However, once you can provide proof to me that the physically dead still have intrinsic powers to act, that would go a long way in convincing me that the spiritually dead do also.

Go ahead........tell your kids that they are dead.
Then tell your neighbors that their kids are dead too.

And then get out there and preach YOUR gospel that all children are dead, and all parents are dead too.

Whether or not the goulish pre-condemners get there kicks from this I cannot say.
But given their sentiment toward universal doom and abject hopelessness, it sure seems likely.

 

[cv5]

God GRANTED repentance? According to some here, that was a universal, God-given birthright from day one.

It most certainly is a birthright to all those who desire it.

In fact this has been the plan of God from before the foundation of the world:
Bringing many sons to glory.

 

[rogerg]

Go ahead........tell your kids that they are dead.
Then tell your neighbors that their kids are dead too.

And then get out there and preach YOUR gospel that all children are dead, and all parents are dead too.

Whether or not the goulish pre-condemners get there kicks from this I cannot say.
But given their sentiment toward universal doom and abject hopelessness, it sure seems likely.

[2Co 2:15-17 KJV
] 15 For we are unto God a sweet savour of Christ, in them that are saved, and in them that perish:
16 To the one [we are] the savour of death unto death; and to the other the savour of life unto life. And who [is] sufficient for these things?
17 For we are not as many, which corrupt the word of God: but as of sincerity, but as of God, in the sight of God speak we in Christ.

 

[MeowFlower]

My question to you is:

Why are you not going out into the world and accurately preaching YOUR form of the gospel.
The one that you supposedly believe and espouse endlessly on this board?

You know:
-pre-birth condemnation for all
-no free will whatsoever for anybody
-salvation is predicated SOLELY upon a cosmic lottery that only God controls
-all marriages to the Bridegroom are shotgun weddings
-all covenants are forged in bad faith and meant to fail
-repentance and a change of heart can NEVER happen legitimately

So when you get off this message board, are you preaching a false gospel out there that you despise?
Are you faking it? And then when you DO draw disciples into the Calvinite web, do you then drop the
Calvinite doctrinal hammer on them after they get hooked?

But what is worse, are you trying to convince others to do the same?

You sound like a fool.

A juvenile angry unlearned fool.

 

[cv5]

[2Co 2:15-17 KJV
] 15 For we are unto God a sweet savour of Christ, in them that are saved, and in them that perish:
16 To the one [we are] the savour of death unto death; and to the other the savour of life unto life. And who [is] sufficient for these things?
17 For we are not as many, which corrupt the word of God: but as of sincerity, but as of God, in the sight of God speak we in Christ.

Indeed people choose to perish day in and day out. Tragic but not unexpected.

 

[cv5]

You sound like a fool.

A juvenile angry unlearned fool.

You sound alarmed because you have been disarmed. And you should be. And need to be.

 

[MeowFlower]

[2Co 2:15-17 KJV
] 15 For we are unto God a sweet savour of Christ, in them that are saved, and in them that perish:
16 To the one [we are] the savour of death unto death; and to the other the savour of life unto life. And who [is] sufficient for these things?
17 For we are not as many, which corrupt the word of God: but as of sincerity, but as of God, in the sight of God speak we in Christ.

Do you realize by now you are in a back and forth with an unlearned anti-scripture child and skeptic?

You hope to reach that? Or do you just want to see how much lower they'll go assailing Christians here?

If you ignore them they'll tantrum elsewhere.

 

[rogerg]

Do you realize by now you are in a back and forth with an unlearned anti-scripture child and skeptic?

You hope to reach that? Or do you just want to see how much lower they'll go assailing Christians here?

If you ignore them they'll tantrum elsewhere.

Yes, I know, MeowFlower, and thank you, but I and others here hope to edify readers by using the incorrect doctrine of CV5 (and those of his ilk) in order to compare and contrast it with correct doctrine, as aggravating as that may be.

 

[Cameron143]

You simply resent, and will continue doing what you do.
You do not even know why you resent, but I am sure you think you do.

There it is. More brilliant discernment. I don't resent anyone. You simply subtly insult people who don't agree with you and project your own flaws on to others. You can't sustain your arguments with scripture so you belittle others who see your doctrinal error.

 

[MeowFlower]

Yes, I know, MeowFlower, and thank you, but I and others here hope to edify readers by using the incorrect doctrine of CV5 (and those of his ilk) in order to compare and contrast it with correct doctrine, as aggravating as that may be.

I see that.

However, after awhile you all are encouraging their depravity to continue. And in some,their blasphemy.

God's word speaks for itself unto those whom he grants the ears to hear and the eyes to see.

Does God tell us to encourage evil doers?

Do we teach the mind of the natural man? Or does God?

 

[Genez]

God GRANTED repentance? According to some here, that was a universal, God-given birthright from day one.

To grant, means to 'allow.'

They were given a chance to recover.

 

[Genez]

Much better than your "good teachers'.

You do not even know what they teach....

 

[rogerg]

I see that.

However, after awhile you all are encouraging their depravity to continue. And in some,their blasphemy.

God's word speaks for itself unto those whom he grants the ears to hear and the eyes to see.

Does God tell us to encourage evil doers?

Do we teach the mind of the natural man? Or does God?

Oh, it is definitely God who teaches spiritual discernment by the Holy Spirit to those whom He had elected to receive it, but it seems to me, based upon these verses, that He uses believers as part of that process. One never knows who He might be of His elect - given that God chose Saul (the chief of sinners) and converted him into Paul, it is possible that anyone might be of the elect no matter how unlikely a candidate they may appear to be to us.

[2Co 2:14-17 KJV]
14 Now thanks [be] unto God, which always causeth us to triumph in Christ, and maketh manifest the savour of his knowledge by us in every place.
15 For we are unto God a sweet savour of Christ, in them that are saved, and in them that perish:
16 To the one [we are] the savour of death unto death; and to the other the savour of life unto life. And who [is] sufficient for these things?
17 For we are not as many, which corrupt the word of God: but as of sincerity, but as of God, in the sight of God speak we in Christ.

 

[Genez]

There it is. More brilliant discernment. I don't resent anyone. You simply subtly insult people who don't agree with you and project your own flaws on to others. You can't sustain your arguments with scripture so you belittle others who see your doctrinal error.

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You are able to keep a layer of detachment between you and what motivates, lest you would have to face the real problem.


What I do does not depend upon you accepting what I say.