Are there really true atheists?
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For what it's worth, I absolutely agree. There are none.
The term "Atheist" is commonly used today to describe someone who rejects the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. The term actually means someone who worships no god at all. But this is an impossibility.
Worshiping something was built into our very nature at creation, we cannot escape. We worship God or we worship something He created while rejecting Him. Money, power and fame are the most common substitutions but in truth these are just concealed forms of self-worship.
We worship our creator or we worship ourselves. That is our only options.
The term "Atheist" is commonly used today to describe someone who rejects the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. The term actually means someone who worships no god at all. But this is an impossibility.
Worshiping something was built into our very nature at creation, we cannot escape. We worship God or we worship something He created while rejecting Him. Money, power and fame are the most common substitutions but in truth these are just concealed forms of self-worship.
We worship our creator or we worship ourselves. That is our only options.
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As seeker said, i don't think the term 'atheist' according to the dictionary (which is another hilarious subject onto itself) exists.
Because if you say "i don't believe in God" it means that you yourself are into a belief system and if you say
"i lack belief in God" that's an impossibility unless you've had a brain injury and you're in a comatose state where you lack awareness that you even exist.
Because if you say "i don't believe in God" it means that you yourself are into a belief system and if you say
"i lack belief in God" that's an impossibility unless you've had a brain injury and you're in a comatose state where you lack awareness that you even exist.
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One portion of scripture which might shed some light on this is the following.
Rom 1:18
For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
Rom 1:19
Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
Rom 1:20
For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Rom 1:21
Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
Rom 1:22
Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
Rom 1:23
And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
Rom 1:24
Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
Rom 1:25
Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
Rom 1:26
For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
Rom 1:27
And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
Rom 1:28
And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
Rom 1:29
Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
Rom 1:30
Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
Rom 1:31
Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
Rom 1:32
Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
Here, we read of those who hold (as in hold down or suppress) the truth in unrighteousness, those who that which may be known of God has been manifest to because God has shown it unto them, those who are without excuse because the invisible things of God from the creation of the world have been clearly seen and understood by them; even his eternal power and Godhead, those who once knew God, yet glorified him not as God, but became vain in their imaginations (which indicates a change from when they were not given to such vanity), as their foolish hearts became darkened (which indicates that they once had light), and as they became fools (which indicates that they were once wise), those who changed the glory of the incorruptible God into corruptible images (which indicates that they once understood God's incorruptibleness), those who changed the truth of God into a lie (which indicates that they once knew the truth), those who did not like to retain God in their knowledge (which indicates that they once had a knowledge of God), and those who know the judgment of God, yet not only sin against God themselves, but also take pleasure in others who similarly sin against him.
To me, it does not sound like any of the above mentioned were ever truly atheists, and it is based upon this portion of scripture that many, including myself, have said, in a deliberate play on words, that "God does not believe in atheists." Also, God's wrath is revealed against such people, and I personally do not believe that God's wrath would be aimed at anybody who is truly ignorant of his existence.
Rom 1:18
For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
Rom 1:19
Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
Rom 1:20
For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Rom 1:21
Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
Rom 1:22
Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
Rom 1:23
And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
Rom 1:24
Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
Rom 1:25
Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
Rom 1:26
For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
Rom 1:27
And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
Rom 1:28
And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
Rom 1:29
Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
Rom 1:30
Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
Rom 1:31
Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
Rom 1:32
Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
Here, we read of those who hold (as in hold down or suppress) the truth in unrighteousness, those who that which may be known of God has been manifest to because God has shown it unto them, those who are without excuse because the invisible things of God from the creation of the world have been clearly seen and understood by them; even his eternal power and Godhead, those who once knew God, yet glorified him not as God, but became vain in their imaginations (which indicates a change from when they were not given to such vanity), as their foolish hearts became darkened (which indicates that they once had light), and as they became fools (which indicates that they were once wise), those who changed the glory of the incorruptible God into corruptible images (which indicates that they once understood God's incorruptibleness), those who changed the truth of God into a lie (which indicates that they once knew the truth), those who did not like to retain God in their knowledge (which indicates that they once had a knowledge of God), and those who know the judgment of God, yet not only sin against God themselves, but also take pleasure in others who similarly sin against him.
To me, it does not sound like any of the above mentioned were ever truly atheists, and it is based upon this portion of scripture that many, including myself, have said, in a deliberate play on words, that "God does not believe in atheists." Also, God's wrath is revealed against such people, and I personally do not believe that God's wrath would be aimed at anybody who is truly ignorant of his existence.
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Of course, there are no real atheists. Why? Logically that would imply that to believe that God doesn't exist is to know that He doesn't.
How could you know if God doesn't exist by the definition of an eternal, spaceless, immaterial, and all-knowledgeable being?
You would equally have to of that same definition to reach the supernatural realm to say objectively that God doesn't exist.
The only honest stance one can take is at most agnostic or the idea that they do not know if God exists or if He does which God?
The only honest approach would be to debate whether has God made Himself known and whether has He made Himself evident to be the one true God. That is as far as a nonbeliever can logically go.
How could you know if God doesn't exist by the definition of an eternal, spaceless, immaterial, and all-knowledgeable being?
You would equally have to of that same definition to reach the supernatural realm to say objectively that God doesn't exist.
The only honest stance one can take is at most agnostic or the idea that they do not know if God exists or if He does which God?
The only honest approach would be to debate whether has God made Himself known and whether has He made Himself evident to be the one true God. That is as far as a nonbeliever can logically go.
an impossibility? no, not correct. there are lot's of people just around here who don't worship any god at all. why do you think someone HAS TO worship a god? what was built in our very nature is in Hebrews 8:10- "....... I WILL PUT MY LAWS INTO THEIR MINDS......" people worship the devil & God didn't create him. the devil, with his free will, chose to act against God.
I can respond to Russell.
Dear Russell, i also don't take any flat earth arguments seriously, which is why everything begins with "I Believe".
Depending on the degree of reasons or 'good' guesses, Faith is also more logical, as opposed to believing your imagination of tea pots in our solar system, which would make you a flat earther in your logical reasoning.
I Believe in God because there is good reason to.
Because:
1. The Universe exists.
2. The fine-tuning argument exists.
3. Miracles exist.
4. Jesus Christ was here.
Take care Russell and let's grab tea some day with high caffeine content.
Dear Russell, i also don't take any flat earth arguments seriously, which is why everything begins with "I Believe".
Depending on the degree of reasons or 'good' guesses, Faith is also more logical, as opposed to believing your imagination of tea pots in our solar system, which would make you a flat earther in your logical reasoning.
I Believe in God because there is good reason to.
Because:
1. The Universe exists.
2. The fine-tuning argument exists.
3. Miracles exist.
4. Jesus Christ was here.
Take care Russell and let's grab tea some day with high caffeine content.
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No atheists in foxholes, but I had a classmate who said, "Even if he did exist, I wouldn't believe in him", as in Luke 16:28, there are such people. So, do I believe there are real atheists? No. I believe we all know God there. Everyone knows who Jesus christ is in the Western world. That is why the spiritual moment is vast. They believe but don't want to follow or, as they say, they are too scared of the "rules" But on the other side, I was listening to a testimony recently where a woman who called herself a witch and her dog died and she could get no comfort after its death . The only thing that gave her comfort was reading the Bible. God opened her heart, and she became a Christian, which proves that anyone can be saved.
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Russell , Scientists still can't explain how a universe that initially had nothing in it somehow suddenly produced material. George Washington Carver said, "When I was young, I said to God, 'God, tell me the mystery of the universe.' But God answered, 'That knowledge is for me alone.' So I said, 'God, tell me the mystery of the peanut.' Then God said, 'Well, George, that's more nearly your size.' And he told me."
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Very true. Which is why you always look towards evidence no matter how circumstantial it may seem.
Could there be a tea pot between Earth and Mars? It's plausible to assume that Earth trash could escape the gravitational pull due to space exploration but because we have only explored within Earth's gravitational pull, I doubt it.
I doubt is as far as I can go because of the plausibility.
Same reasoning for God except the plausibility is much higher due to the evidence. Once a person moves from plausible to belief then it becomes personal. Plausible becomes known.
Same with dragons. I doubt they exist but can not fully rule them out despite there being no fossils, ancient art and stories tell us of ancient flying fire-breathing dragons. We have relatively limited amount of fossils for dinosaurs but yet it proves ancient beasts existed.
Could there be a tea pot between Earth and Mars? It's plausible to assume that Earth trash could escape the gravitational pull due to space exploration but because we have only explored within Earth's gravitational pull, I doubt it.
I doubt is as far as I can go because of the plausibility.
Same reasoning for God except the plausibility is much higher due to the evidence. Once a person moves from plausible to belief then it becomes personal. Plausible becomes known.
Same with dragons. I doubt they exist but can not fully rule them out despite there being no fossils, ancient art and stories tell us of ancient flying fire-breathing dragons. We have relatively limited amount of fossils for dinosaurs but yet it proves ancient beasts existed.
