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Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD: But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more. Jeremiah 31:31-34
And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and brake it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body. And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it; For this is my blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins. Matthew 26:26-28
I agree with your first chapter. Then I would ask you two questions, does the house of Israel and the house of Judah exist today? Do the Jews have a need of a teacher today?
There is a problem with your second chapter, at least for me.
The new translations have a habit of changing the reading. My Bible reads new testament not new covenant, in Matthew26:28. A testament requires the shedding of blood, or death of a person. A covenant only requires that when it is a testament.
There is a problem with your second chapter, at least for me.
The new translations have a habit of changing the reading. My Bible reads new testament not new covenant, in Matthew26:28. A testament requires the shedding of blood, or death of a person. A covenant only requires that when it is a testament.
I don't think the Israel and Judah have any relevance to the current reality. Perhaps I'm wrong about that, but it's really not important in the context of salvation. Everyone needs a teacher including Jews
Testament is not a biblical concept; it's a Roman concept, which by extension of Roman law is an English concept, which was incorporated into the first English translations. God based virtually everything he did with Israel on covenants. You won't find the word testament in any other translation besides the KJV and maybe one or two others of the same period. Covenants are not testaments and vice versa
Testament is not a biblical concept; it's a Roman concept, which by extension of Roman law is an English concept, which was incorporated into the first English translations. God based virtually everything he did with Israel on covenants. You won't find the word testament in any other translation besides the KJV and maybe one or two others of the same period. Covenants are not testaments and vice versa
NASB20 For where there is a [fn]covenant, there must of necessity [fn]be the death of the one who made it.
If this translation is correct you need to explain why God did not die when he made this covenant with Noah.
Gen 9:11 And I will establish my covenant with you; neither shall all flesh be cut off any more by the waters of a flood; neither shall there any more be a flood to destroy the earth.
If this translation is correct you need to explain why God did not die when he made this covenant with Noah.
Gen 9:11 And I will establish my covenant with you; neither shall all flesh be cut off any more by the waters of a flood; neither shall there any more be a flood to destroy the earth.
Does this clarify this verse for you?
In the case of the New Covenant, Jesus Christ is both the mediator and the one whose death was required. His sacrifice on the cross ratified the covenant, enabling the forgiveness of sins and granting believers access to eternal life.
• This verse ties into the broader theme of Hebrews 9, which contrasts the Old Covenant (sealed by the blood of animals) with the New Covenant, sealed by the superior and once-for-all sacrifice of Christ.
In the case of the New Covenant, Jesus Christ is both the mediator and the one whose death was required. His sacrifice on the cross ratified the covenant, enabling the forgiveness of sins and granting believers access to eternal life.
• This verse ties into the broader theme of Hebrews 9, which contrasts the Old Covenant (sealed by the blood of animals) with the New Covenant, sealed by the superior and once-for-all sacrifice of Christ.
There were different kinds of covenants. Blood covenants were the most serious and required blood, usually of an animal, to be shed. Then there were salt covenants, which didn't. God may have made a blood covenant with Noah with an animal as the blood sacrifice, or it may have been a salt or some other kind of covenant.
Ought ye not to know that the LORD God of Israel gave the kingdom over Israel to David for ever, even to him and to his sons by a covenant of salt? 2 Chronicles 13:5
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I am going to drop out of this conversation at this time. I am too busy right now to get into long drawn-out conversations on any one topic, and I am normally operating of very little sleep this time of the year. November and December are rough months for me at work because of Thanksgiving, Christmas, and New Year's Day, and I therefore have limited time to participate in this forum. For me, my priorities are focused more on trying to help people who are struggling as they are going through trials, or to hopefully help some newcomer to come to know the Lord. I hope you understand.
I would just like to leave you with the following portion of scripture, and I hope that you apply it to your own life by asking God to show you his covenant.
Psa 25:14
The secret of the LORD is with them that fear him; and he will shew them his covenant.
I am going to drop out of this conversation at this time. I am too busy right now to get into long drawn-out conversations on any one topic, and I am normally operating of very little sleep this time of the year. November and December are rough months for me at work because of Thanksgiving, Christmas, and New Year's Day, and I therefore have limited time to participate in this forum. For me, my priorities are focused more on trying to help people who are struggling as they are going through trials, or to hopefully help some newcomer to come to know the Lord. I hope you understand.
I would just like to leave you with the following portion of scripture, and I hope that you apply it to your own life by asking God to show you his covenant.
Psa 25:14
The secret of the LORD is with them that fear him; and he will shew them his covenant.
The new covenant is the only biblical blood covenant in which a human died. In all other blood covenants an animal(s) was killed, and they were merely types of the reality of Christ being slain for the new covenant. The convention was for an animal to be slain, cut in half, and then the two covenant parties walked between the two pieces sealing the covenant
And [God] said unto [Abraham], Take me an heifer of three years old, and a she goat of three years old, and a ram of three years old, and a turtledove, and a young pigeon. And he took unto him all these, and divided them in the midst, and laid each piece one against another: but the birds divided he not. Genesis 15:9-10
And it came to pass, that, when the sun went down, and it was dark, behold a smoking furnace, and a burning lamp that passed between those pieces. In the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates: Genesis 15:17-18
That is exactly my point. There are different kinds of covenants, one of them being a testament. We call it a last will and testament. It is my opinion that the covenant God made with Israel in Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Hebrews 8:10-11 is a separate covenant pertaining only to Israel.
Consider the words of God as spoken by Paul. Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: Rom 11:27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins. Rom 11:28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes. Rom 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
Under the old covenant---Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Under the new covenant---Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: Heb 8:11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
Consider the words of God as spoken by Paul. Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: Rom 11:27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins. Rom 11:28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes. Rom 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
Under the old covenant---Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Under the new covenant---Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: Heb 8:11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
I know that I said that I am going to stay out of this conversation, but you are so gravely mistaken that I need to say something.
First of all, here is where God promised the new covenant.
Jer 31:31
Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jer 31:32
Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
Jer 31:33
But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Jer 31:34
And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
In context, which, quite frankly, you have a terrible habit of ignoring. the new covenant was here being contrasted with the old covenant that God made through Moses at Mt. Sinai, and it has absolutely nothing at all to do with any other covenant made with Abraham, Noah, or anybody else. If you refuse to see this, then that is on you. Not only this, but the covenant which God made through Moses was a testament. Not because I say so, but because the Bible plainly says so.
Heb 9:11
But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;
Heb 9:12
Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.
Heb 9:13
For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:
Heb 9:14
How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
Heb 9:15
And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
Heb 9:16
For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
Heb 9:17
For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.
Heb 9:18
Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood.
Heb 9:19
For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people,
Heb 9:20
Saying, This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you.
Heb 9:21
Moreover he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle, and all the vessels of the ministry.
Heb 9:22
And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.
According to the Divinely inspired word of God, the covenant which God made with the children of Israel through Moses at Mt. Sinai was not only a testament, but it is here called the first testament, and this is what Jeremiah prophesied would be replaced by the new covenant or by the new testament. Seeing how a testament is only of force after the testator dies, under the old testament, God had animals killed, which not only foreshadowed the coming sacrifice of Jesus Christ, the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world, but which also made that testament of force so that the people under that testament could be beneficiaries of the promises attached to that covenant or testament. Of course, when Jesus died, he put the new covenant or the new testament which Jeremiah prophesied about into effect by ratifying it in his own blood.
You need to stop twisting scripture. Again, Jeremiah's prophecy, in context, pertained to the old covenant or to the old testament which was given at Mt. Sinai, and the new covenant or the new testament which came via Christ's atonement replaced that one.
This is the truth, and you would be wise to embrace it, and to stop interjecting things, like any other covenants, which have nothing at all to do with what God actually prophesied through Jeremiah, into this conversation.
If you are not willing to embrace this simple truth, then I would caution anybody on this forum from wasting even another second trying to reason with you. I do not mean for that to sound rude or disrespectful, but you really need to start believing what the Bible actually says while repenting before God for embracing so much error.
First of all, here is where God promised the new covenant.
Jer 31:31
Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jer 31:32
Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
Jer 31:33
But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Jer 31:34
And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
In context, which, quite frankly, you have a terrible habit of ignoring. the new covenant was here being contrasted with the old covenant that God made through Moses at Mt. Sinai, and it has absolutely nothing at all to do with any other covenant made with Abraham, Noah, or anybody else. If you refuse to see this, then that is on you. Not only this, but the covenant which God made through Moses was a testament. Not because I say so, but because the Bible plainly says so.
Heb 9:11
But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;
Heb 9:12
Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.
Heb 9:13
For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:
Heb 9:14
How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
Heb 9:15
And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
Heb 9:16
For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
Heb 9:17
For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.
Heb 9:18
Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood.
Heb 9:19
For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people,
Heb 9:20
Saying, This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you.
Heb 9:21
Moreover he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle, and all the vessels of the ministry.
Heb 9:22
And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.
According to the Divinely inspired word of God, the covenant which God made with the children of Israel through Moses at Mt. Sinai was not only a testament, but it is here called the first testament, and this is what Jeremiah prophesied would be replaced by the new covenant or by the new testament. Seeing how a testament is only of force after the testator dies, under the old testament, God had animals killed, which not only foreshadowed the coming sacrifice of Jesus Christ, the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world, but which also made that testament of force so that the people under that testament could be beneficiaries of the promises attached to that covenant or testament. Of course, when Jesus died, he put the new covenant or the new testament which Jeremiah prophesied about into effect by ratifying it in his own blood.
You need to stop twisting scripture. Again, Jeremiah's prophecy, in context, pertained to the old covenant or to the old testament which was given at Mt. Sinai, and the new covenant or the new testament which came via Christ's atonement replaced that one.
This is the truth, and you would be wise to embrace it, and to stop interjecting things, like any other covenants, which have nothing at all to do with what God actually prophesied through Jeremiah, into this conversation.
If you are not willing to embrace this simple truth, then I would caution anybody on this forum from wasting even another second trying to reason with you. I do not mean for that to sound rude or disrespectful, but you really need to start believing what the Bible actually says while repenting before God for embracing so much error.
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I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
I believe the entire bible is about Jesus.
I believe that Jesus is the incarnate unblemished man who died for my sins 1,991 years ago.
I believe that Jesus, as the word of God, created all things.
I believe the bible is the inspired word of God.
I believe in a future resurrection.
I believe that except we be born of God we shall not have eternal life with God.
I believe in an eternal fire that those that reject the Son of God will spend eternity in.
I believe the entire bible is about Jesus.
I believe that Jesus is the incarnate unblemished man who died for my sins 1,991 years ago.
I believe that Jesus, as the word of God, created all things.
I believe the bible is the inspired word of God.
I believe in a future resurrection.
I believe that except we be born of God we shall not have eternal life with God.
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I think it is you who do not understand, what he said ( @tttallison ) follows scripture, you however feel the need to twist scripture to fit your personal beliefs, there is only one truth in scripture.
Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
Heb 8:11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
Heb 8:12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
Paul says the old covenant is decaying and waxing old, and is ready to vanish. What year is this, 66/67 AD? 66/67 AD and they are still practicing the sacrifices.
When did the New Covenant start for the house of Judah and the house of Israel?
"Truth is the most sought after, but the least appreciated."
Not everything I have said in past posts is totally accurate.
Heb 8:11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
Heb 8:12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
Paul says the old covenant is decaying and waxing old, and is ready to vanish. What year is this, 66/67 AD? 66/67 AD and they are still practicing the sacrifices.
When did the New Covenant start for the house of Judah and the house of Israel?
"Truth is the most sought after, but the least appreciated."
Not everything I have said in past posts is totally accurate.