The Gospels and the Mystery

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

The REAL confusion is when people etherealize that Kingdom as being IN Heaven rather than OF it. There is a difference, and failure to recognize that difference is where there is such confusions.

God's kingdom is right here, right now both on earth and in heaven. It's Jacob's ladder with the top in heaven (Christ, the head of the body) and the base on earth (his body).

Christ clearly said that the kingdom of God doesn't come with observation because it is within his people on earth.

And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God comes not with observation: Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you. Luke 17:20-21​

So when Christ the king does come with observation it will be to completely remove the ungodly from his kingdom that was given to him when he ascended to the throne of the Ancient of Days after his resurrection. Until that time he remains seated at the father's right hand making intercession for his people until the temple is completed and his enemies in his kingdom on earth are completely conquered

YHWH said unto my Lord, Sit on my right hand until I make your enemies your footstool Matthew 22:44​

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Which will be just before Christ returns when the 7th trumpet sounds

And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever. Revelation 11:15​

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[Musicmaster]

The claims that belief in dispensations for salvation is a recent creation or Darby, Scofield, et al, is generally believed by those who know nothing about history. Justin Martyr believed it, Irenaeus believed it, Tertullian in the second century believed it, Hippolytus believed it, Cyprian believed in dispensationalism and the pre-trib rapture as did the formerly mentioned ante-Nicene fathers mentioned so far...on and on the list goes.

I realize that ignorant pastors vomit that nonsense to their followers, but the falsehood of that belief is indeed striking. That's not to say that the proximity of those men to the time of Christ makes them infallible, but this clearly shows how false the belief is that is easily defeated dare one look upon the salvation message preached by Peter compared to that of Paul, who said nothing about water baptism as the means for remission of sins, etc.

MM

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

The claims that belief in dispensations for salvation is a recent creation or Darby, Scofield, et al, is generally believed by those who know nothing about history. Justin Martyr believed it, Irenaeus believed it, Tertullian in the second century believed it, Hippolytus believed it, Cyprian believed in dispensationalism and the pre-trib rapture as did the formerly mentioned ante-Nicene fathers mentioned so far...on and on the list goes.

Please provide quotes from these men so we can determine if your claim is correct. Not holding my breath...

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

The claims that belief in dispensations for salvation is a recent creation or Darby, Scofield, et al, is generally believed by those who know nothing about history. Justin Martyr believed it, Irenaeus believed it, Tertullian in the second century believed it, Hippolytus believed it, Cyprian believed in dispensationalism and the pre-trib rapture as did the formerly mentioned ante-Nicene fathers mentioned so far...on and on the list goes.

What these men believed was pre-millenialism, not pre-trib rapture. Not the same things, but pre-tribbers blur the difference to try to support their view

 

[GWH]

Please provide quotes from these men so we can determine if your claim is correct. Not holding my breath...

Instead of bothering with researching those folks, I suggest we search the Scriptures. I think Paul will be the main source.

The first historical dispensation or stage of revelation is truth about God that could have been gleaned by folks around the world from the beginning by means of what is called "general revelation": pondering God's supernatural work of nature or creation combined with conscience, which truth reveal sufficiently--serving as a sort of provisional or proto-Gospel--so that Paul says men are without excuse (RM 1:20 & 2:14-16, cf. CL 1:23, RM 10:13-18, GL 3:8). This era or dispensation applied for humanity not informed by the line of A&E until the revelation of monotheism to Abram.

Taking it from there, what other distinctive periods of revelation does Paul mention?

 

[Musicmaster]

Those who believe they are under the Kingdom Gospel are attempting to fall under this:

Ephsians 2:11-13
11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.

Notice that Paul was speaking in the present tense to those who were at that time reading that letter, people who were in their recent past without God, and aliens from the commonwealth of Israel because Israel was the only portal through which the Gentiles had to pass in order to obtain salvation from their sins ("...salvation is of the Jews...").

So, going back to that state before being "saved by grace through faith," the deniers of the mystery hidden in God from the creation of the world, they stand in defiance of grace, for we today do not any longer look to Israel because Israel has rejected Messiah, and so some other means had to be established through which men are saved apart from Israel until the Lord once against restores Israel to her proper place as the ministers of Christ to the world, and when the Kingdom is established through which all must enter in to find salvation after the body of Christ is removed and the Kingdom Gospel once again being in force.

Every expression of replacement theology is a denial that God says what He means, and this makes Him a liar! If the Lord withdrew His fulfillments of the promises made to Abraham and his offspring, then we today can expect that the Lord could and will withdraw His promise of salvation through Christ simply because He grew weary of all our sins, even after we thought we were saved.

So, when you find yourself tempted with the doctrine of demons that are steeped in replacement theology, please consider the position wherein that places each of you in relation to salvation. If God were so fickle, then all of you are in just as grave of danger as Israel.

MM

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Dispensationalism is a eschatological doctrine of unbelief. It is embraced by those with little to no spiritual discernment, so they are only able to see a natural, or what they mistakenly call literal, interpretation. Yet literal can mean natural or spiritual.

For example, Jesus told his disciples that unless they drank his blood they had no life in them. That was an extraordinarily offensive thing to their ears, so much so that many disciples turned away from following him after hearing that. They disbelieved in Christ because their ears could only hear literally drinking his blood. But what Jesus said was literally true; however it had nothing to do with actually drinking his blood because it was a spiritual allegory for believing into him through faith in his blood, which is also pictured in the new covenant meal with drinking the cup that he said was his blood.

So what Jesus literally meant was spiritual in nature, not natural. The literal means what the author/speaker actually means, which must be spiritually discerned. So in cases when the literal is spiritual in nature, insistence that the literal interpretation has to be a natural one is just unbelief. Therefore, beware of an evil heart of unbelief that causes one to depart from the living God as the disbelieving disciples did

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Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you. John 6:53​

Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it? When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you? What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before? It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him. And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father. From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him. John 6:60-66​

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Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God. But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end; Hebrews 3:12-14​

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

For one to say that the Kingdom Gospel and the Gospel of Grace are one and the same thing is to say something similar to, "Circumcision and uncircumcision are the same thing!"

MM

They actually are the same thing, ie nothing

Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God. 1 Corinthians 7:19​

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[j55]

I agree with member who posted the thread. Mystery of God is hidden from many people. Jesus taught this in Matthew chapter 13. Why He always spoke in parables to people. Because many people have Spirit of Stupor. Those who have Holy Spirit understand this. In Genesis chapter 3 and Ezekiel chapter 28. Satan did know he would be destroyed. God is in control, and the wicked were blind to the mystery of God, and had Jesus crucified. 1 Corinthians chapter 2. The wicked sealed Satan's fate. The crucification defeated Satan. Peace.

 

[GWH]

Instead of bothering with researching those folks, I suggest we search the Scriptures. I think Paul will be the main source.

The first historical dispensation or stage of revelation is truth about God that could have been gleaned by folks around the world from the beginning by means of what is called "general revelation": pondering God's supernatural work of nature or creation combined with conscience, which truth reveal sufficiently--serving as a sort of provisional or proto-Gospel--so that Paul says men are without excuse (RM 1:20 & 2:14-16, cf. CL 1:23, RM 10:13-18, GL 3:8). This era or dispensation applied for humanity not informed by the line of A&E until the revelation of monotheism to Abram.

Taking it from there, what other distinctive periods of revelation does Paul mention?

Answer: The second stage was from Moses to Christ (RM 3:19-20, 5:20 & 7:6, GL 3:19&24,), the law or Old Covenant.
The third stage is from Christ until the Second Coming (RM 3:21-26, GL 3:24-25, HB 7:18-10:1), the Gospel or New Covenant.

 

[Musicmaster]

I agree with member who posted the thread. Mystery of God is hidden from many people. Jesus taught this in Matthew chapter 13. Why He always spoke in parables to people. Because many people have Spirit of Stupor. Those who have Holy Spirit understand this. In Genesis chapter 3 and Ezekiel chapter 28. Satan did know he would be destroyed. God is in control, and the wicked were blind to the mystery of God, and had Jesus crucified. 1 Corinthians chapter 2. The wicked sealed Satan's fate. The crucification defeated Satan. Peace.

What some have missed in all this is that Christ, Messiah, was no mystery, for the prophets foretold of His coming, where He would come from, and what would happen to Him. What was not known to even the prophets was the body of Christ as the alternative to Israel being the means through which Gentiles and Jews alike must obtain salvation. Because of Israel's diminishing through unbelief and rejection of Messiah, there had to be another means for salvation.

Paul, who did not receive the revelation of the mystery from other men, as he stated clearly, he revealed that we are now saved by grace through faith, and that not of ourselves, lest any man should boast... The eleven continued with the Jews in Jerusalem in the Law, as also revealed within scripture, but they did learn of the Gospel of Grace when Paul traveled twice to Jerusalem to speak with them and reveal the mystery to them as well what they had never even dreamed would be possible.

That too is why Paul spoke of the Judaisers to the counsel. The Judaisers were zealous in speaking to the churches what they knew, which was zeal for the Law as was practiced by them, the eleven and the Jews in Jerusalem. The problem today is that the Judaisers have not learned anything from the scriptures about what Paul preached, which is the Gospel of Grace that is independent of the Law and the requirement to become Jews. The Judaisers spirit is alive and well among many evangelicals today who believe in works as a supplement to grace, which is impossible. One cannot supplement a gift with works as a means to earning a gift. That gist was not available to mankind before the revealing of the grace of God through faith alone as opposed to it being through works.

Amen

MM

 

[GWH]

What some have missed in all this is that Christ, Messiah, was no mystery, for the prophets foretold of His coming, where He would come from, and what would happen to Him. What was not known to even the prophets was the body of Christ as the alternative to Israel being the means through which Gentiles and Jews alike must obtain salvation. Because of Israel's diminishing through unbelief and rejection of Messiah, there had to be another means for salvation.

Paul, who did not receive the revelation of the mystery from other men, as he stated clearly, he revealed that we are now saved by grace through faith, and that not of ourselves, lest any man should boast... The eleven continued with the Jews in Jerusalem in the Law, as also revealed within scripture, but they did learn of the Gospel of Grace when Paul traveled twice to Jerusalem to speak with them and reveal the mystery to them as well what they had never even dreamed would be possible.

That too is why Paul spoke of the Judaisers to the counsel. The Judaisers were zealous in speaking to the churches what they knew, which was zeal for the Law as was practiced by them, the eleven and the Jews in Jerusalem. The problem today is that the Judaisers have not learned anything from the scriptures about what Paul preached, which is the Gospel of Grace that is independent of the Law and the requirement to become Jews. The Judaisers spirit is alive and well among many evangelicals today who believe in works as a supplement to grace, which is impossible. One cannot supplement a gift with works as a means to earning a gift. That gist was not available to mankind before the revealing of the grace of God through faith alone as opposed to it being through works.

Amen

MM

Yes, the Gospel of Christ remains a mystery to the legalistic Judaizers and the hateful Calvinists.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Yes, the Gospel of Christ remains a mystery to the legalistic Judaizers and the hateful Calvinists.

All the “ ists” and isms have misfired from somewhere

“I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;

preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.



For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; and they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.”
‭‭2 Timothy‬ ‭4:1-4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

 

[GWH]

All the “ ists” and isms have misfired from somewhere

“I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;

preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.



For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; and they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.”
‭‭2 Timothy‬ ‭4:1-4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Indeed, and 2PT 2:1-2 says the same, and so, like 2PT 1:15, I make every effort to keep us focused on the central and primary doctrine "Accept Christ Jesus as Lord” (as in 2CR 4:5 & CL 2:6) elaborated as follows:

1. There is a/one all-loving and just Lord or God (DT 6:4, JN 3:16, 2THS 1:6), who is both able (2TM 1:12) and willing (1TM 2:3-4) to provide all morally accountable human beings salvation or heaven—a wonderful life full of love, joy and peace forever.
2. Human beings are selfish or sinful (RM 3:23, 2TM 3:2-4, CL 3:5), miserable (GL 5:19-21), and hopeless (EPH 2:12) when they reject God’s salvation or DOD (JN 3:18).
3. Jesus is God’s Messiah/Christ or the way (means of providing salvation) that God has chosen (JN 3:16, ACTS 16:30-31, PHP 2:9-11), although pre-NT truthseekers could/can learn a proto-gospel via general revelation combined with conscience.
4. Thus, every person who hears the NT Gospel needs to repent and accept God in Jesus as Christ/Messiah the Lord or Supreme Commander (LK 2:11, JN 14:6, ACTS 16:31), which means trying to obey His commandment to love one another (MT 22:37-40, JN 13:35, RM 13:9)—forever (MT 10:22, PS 113:2).
5. Then God’s Holy Spirit will establish a saving relationship with those who freely accept Him (RV 3:20) that will eventually achieve heaven when by means of persevering in learning God’s Word everyone cooperates fully with His will (RM 8:6-17, GL 6:7-9, EPH 1:13-14, HB 10:36, 12:1, JM 1:2-4).

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Indeed, and 2PT 2:1-2 says the same, and so, like 2PT 1:15, I make every effort to keep us focused on the central and primary doctrine "Accept Christ Jesus as Lord” (as in 2CR 4:5 & CL 2:6) elaborated as follows:

1. There is a/one all-loving and just Lord or God (DT 6:4, JN 3:16, 2THS 1:6), who is both able (2TM 1:12) and willing (1TM 2:3-4) to provide all morally accountable human beings salvation or heaven—a wonderful life full of love, joy and peace forever.
2. Human beings are selfish or sinful (RM 3:23, 2TM 3:2-4, CL 3:5), miserable (GL 5:19-21), and hopeless (EPH 2:12) when they reject God’s salvation or DOD (JN 3:18).
3. Jesus is God’s Messiah/Christ or the way (means of providing salvation) that God has chosen (JN 3:16, ACTS 16:30-31, PHP 2:9-11), although pre-NT truthseekers could/can learn a proto-gospel via general revelation combined with conscience.
4. Thus, every person who hears the NT Gospel needs to repent and accept God in Jesus as Christ/Messiah the Lord or Supreme Commander (LK 2:11, JN 14:6, ACTS 16:31), which means trying to obey His commandment to love one another (MT 22:37-40, JN 13:35, RM 13:9)—forever (MT 10:22, PS 113:2).
5. Then God’s Holy Spirit will establish a saving relationship with those who freely accept Him (RV 3:20) that will eventually achieve heaven when by means of persevering in learning God’s Word everyone cooperates fully with His will (RM 8:6-17, GL 6:7-9, EPH 1:13-14, HB 10:36, 12:1, JM 1:2-4).

Yes accepting the gospel as is which reveals Jesus to be the Lord is definately the way

 

[GWH]

Yes accepting the gospel as is which reveals Jesus to be the Lord is definately the way

Yes, and discussing things with folks on CC since joining a couple of months ago has helped me realize a logical progression in learning doctrine/the Gospel:

1. Formerly/at first I was without hope of salvation from meaninglessness and death. (EPH 3:12b)

2. So I sought salvation and found God. (MT 7:7, HB 11:6b)

3. The loving God who wants all souls to learn the truth about how to be saved. (1TM 2:3-4, JN 3:16)

4. Which is to believe that Jesus is Christ, whose death atoned for humanity’s sins. (1TM 2:5-6)

5. As taught in all inspired Scripture interpreted in light of this Gospel of salvation. (2TM 3:15)

6. Such interpretation of GW also teaches how to be godly after being saved. (2TM 3:16-17)

7. Which doctrine Jesus summarized as loving God, oneself and everyone else. (MT 22:37-40)

8. And which moral maturity Paul termed as the fruit of the Holy Spirit. (GL 5:13-23)

9. That requires persevering in saving faith and learning God’s Word. (MT 4:4, 10:22)

10. So that we will grant the prayer of Jesus for us to be one in our witness. (JN 17:20-23, 1PT 3:15)

(LIC :^)

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Paul, who did not receive the revelation of the mystery from other men, as he stated clearly, he revealed that we are now saved by grace through faith, and that not of ourselves, lest any man should boast... The eleven continued with the Jews in Jerusalem in the Law, as also revealed within scripture, but they did learn of the Gospel of Grace when Paul traveled twice to Jerusalem to speak with them and reveal the mystery to them as well what they had never even dreamed would be possible.

This is so absurd it's laughable. Peter did indeed dream it was possible when God revealed it to him in a dream in Acts 10 and sent him to Cornelius, the Roman, to proclaim to him and his house the gospel he proclaimed to Jews, whereby he witnessed something he had never seen before, ie gentiles baptized in the holy spirit.

So he knew full well that gentiles were saved in the same manner he and his countrymen were saved, which is why during the Jerusalem council in Acts 15 he said to the Jews present that as they were saved by grace, so also were the gentiles:

And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe. And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us; And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith. Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear? But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they. Then all the multitude kept silence, and gave audience to Barnabas and Paul, declaring what miracles and wonders God had wrought among the Gentiles by them. Acts 15:7-12​

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

That too is why Paul spoke of the Judaisers to the counsel. The Judaisers were zealous in speaking to the churches what they knew, which was zeal for the Law as was practiced by them, the eleven and the Jews in Jerusalem.

Peter didn't practice the law except as a man pleaser as evidenced by the facts that 1)
he called the law a yoke that neither they in the Jerusalem Council, nor their fathers were able to bear, and told the pharisees who were telling gentiles that they had to be circumcised and keep the law of Moses in order to be saved were tempting God, which is sin

Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear? Acts 15:10​

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and 2) Paul had to rebuke Peter for living like the gentiles, but pretending he didn't when Jews from Jerusalem were present. So any law keeping Peter did was done to please men, not God

But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed. For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision. And the other Jews dissembled likewise with him; insomuch that Barnabas also was carried away with their hypocrisy. Galatians 2:11-13​

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[j55]

What some have missed in all this is that Christ, Messiah, was no mystery, for the prophets foretold of His coming, where He would come from, and what would happen to Him. What was not known to even the prophets was the body of Christ as the alternative to Israel being the means through which Gentiles and Jews alike must obtain salvation. Because of Israel's diminishing through unbelief and rejection of Messiah, there had to be another means for salvation.

Paul, who did not receive the revelation of the mystery from other men, as he stated clearly, he revealed that we are now saved by grace through faith, and that not of ourselves, lest any man should boast... The eleven continued with the Jews in Jerusalem in the Law, as also revealed within scripture, but they did learn of the Gospel of Grace when Paul traveled twice to Jerusalem to speak with them and reveal the mystery to them as well what they had never even dreamed would be possible.

That too is why Paul spoke of the Judaisers to the counsel. The Judaisers were zealous in speaking to the churches what they knew, which was zeal for the Law as was practiced by them, the eleven and the Jews in Jerusalem. The problem today is that the Judaisers have not learned anything from the scriptures about what Paul preached, which is the Gospel of Grace that is independent of the Law and the requirement to become Jews. The Judaisers spirit is alive and well among many evangelicals today who believe in works as a supplement to grace, which is impossible. One cannot supplement a gift with works as a means to earning a gift. That gist was not available to mankind before the revealing of the grace of God through faith alone as opposed to it being through works.

Amen

MM

That's true. Prophets foretold of Jesus coming. 1 Corinthians chapter 2, Bible prophecy, he was rejected by his own people. The jews we're blinded by the truth. It's written in Romans chapter 11, that the Jews are grafted out of the olive tree. Even Paul said im Acts, he was done with the Jews, and would go to the gentiles. Much of Israel is blinded as written in Romans chapter 11, and Isaiah chapter 6.
2 Corinthians chapter 4. Problem here is, these are Reprobates, and they Resist holy Spirit,they have unclean Spirit. Romans chapter 1, they reject the truth. Other group has Spirit of slumber. So the deep truth of Gods word is hidden from many people. Bottom line, many people don't have holy Spirit. I told the truth. My business doors are only open to those who abide in truth.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Yes, and discussing things with folks on CC since joining a couple of months ago has helped me realize a logical progression in learning doctrine/the Gospel:

1. Formerly/at first I was without hope of salvation from meaninglessness and death. (EPH 3:12b)

2. So I sought salvation and found God. (MT 7:7, HB 11:6b)

3. The loving God who wants all souls to learn the truth about how to be saved. (1TM 2:3-4, JN 3:16)

4. Which is to believe that Jesus is Christ, whose death atoned for humanity’s sins. (1TM 2:5-6)

5. As taught in all inspired Scripture interpreted in light of this Gospel of salvation. (2TM 3:15)

6. Such interpretation of GW also teaches how to be godly after being saved. (2TM 3:16-17)

7. Which doctrine Jesus summarized as loving God, oneself and everyone else. (MT 22:37-40)

8. And which moral maturity Paul termed as the fruit of the Holy Spirit. (GL 5:13-23)

9. That requires persevering in saving faith and learning God’s Word. (MT 4:4, 10:22)

10. So that we will grant the prayer of Jesus for us to be one in our witness. (JN 17:20-23, 1PT 3:15)

(LIC :^)

I think a lot of people are seeing and hearing God and his word like this

“Now therefore why should we die? for this great fire will consume us: if we hear the voice of the LORD our God any more, then we shall die.”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭5:25‬ ‭KJV‬‬

But really we humans need to hear the truth of the gospel saying this

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Instead of perceiving God to be saying this to us

“And it came to pass on the third day in the morning, that there were thunders and lightnings, and a thick cloud upon the mount, and the voice of the trumpet exceeding loud; so that all the people that was in the camp trembled. And Moses brought forth the people out of the camp to meet with God; and they stood at the nether part of the mount. And mount Sinai was altogether on a smoke, because the LORD descended upon it in fire: and the smoke thereof ascended as the smoke of a furnace, and the whole mount quaked greatly. And the LORD came down upon mount Sinai, on the top of the mount: and the LORD called Moses up to the top of the mount; and Moses went up. And the LORD said unto Moses, Go down, charge the people, lest they break through unto the LORD to gaze, and many of them perish. And the LORD said unto him, Away, get thee down, and thou shalt come up, thou, and Aaron with thee: but let not the priests and the people break through to come up unto the LORD, lest he break forth upon them. So Moses went down unto the people, and spake unto them.”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭19:16-18, 20-21, 24-25‬ ‭KJV‬‬

we need to hear the gospel truth saying this to us

“All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him. Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭11:27-30‬ ‭

i really believe people confuse Moses words and Jesus words and so they are afraid to approach God and hear like Moses did within the cloud . which the way is now open through Christ so we get to hear the truth that saves and changes and redeems us to mankind’s true place and inheritance in him

what I mean is when we won’t come and listen to Jesus and believe we’re missing the faith of the children of God

“for the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God.”
‭‭John‬ ‭16:27‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭23:9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭5:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.

…For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: but if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭6:9-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.

Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful. Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven: give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall be given into your bosom.

For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.

….And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?

Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like: he is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock.


But he that heareth, and doeth not, is like a man that without a foundation built an house upon the earth; against which the stream did beat vehemently, and immediately it fell; and the ruin of that house was great.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭6:35-38, 46-49‬ ‭KJV‬‬

If people really began to learn and study what Jesus taught believers in him not so much what he said to those who were rejecting him but to those who came to him and believed I think it would change everything

but sometimes if we’re thinking

thou shalt not this and of thou doesn’t do this other thing eye for an eye tooth for a tooth this holy day and that special season and this festival for the moon and that ordinance about food and this Passover and tbat sabbath day and this sacrifice and that one over there ect were never gonna come near enough to God to hear the gospel because when we hear tbat and perceive him we react like they did

“ why should we die ? Let’s just ask him to stop speaking to us otherwise we’ll die for sure ! He’s going to burn us all up !! “

abut if we hear the gospel calling sinners to come to him in peace and forgiveness reconciliation ect then it’s more possible and likely To be , this response

“Then drew near unto him all the publicans and sinners for to hear him. And the Pharisees and scribes murmured, saying, This man receiveth sinners, and eateth with them.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭15:1-2‬ ‭KJV‬‬


the stuff in the gospel that we don’t know yet or already believe aboit God or man….. is meant to change us over to believe the right things about God . Spoken and given From the only begotten son

“And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ.

This is the true God, and eternal life. Little children, keep yourselves from idols. Amen.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭5:20-21‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God.

He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.”
‭‭2 John‬ ‭1:9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The gospel truly reveals God through Jesus the son to anyone willing to seek after him and his kingdom and righteousness

“But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭6:33‬ ‭KJV‬‬