The Author and Date of The Book of Job
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The manuscript you are presenting here as the Septuagint is actually a very corrupt Vatican manuscript which was twice reinked, and the new letters that replaced the old were not the same, therefore rendering the manuscript worthless. In a margin of this manuscript a scribe wrote the words, "Fool and knave, leave the old reading and do not change it."
If you do the math in Genesis chapter five you will find the numbers for Methusaleh's dates are not correct. The numbers leave Methusaleh living fourteen years beyond the flood.
If you go to Isaiah 9:6, my favorite verse, you will find that the names of Jesus, "Wonderful, Counselor, the mighty God, the everlasting Father, the Prince of Peace" are missing.
You also will find in the forward to NETS, the "New English Translation of the Septuagint" by Oxford Press, that the Alexandrine manuscripts do not exhibit a uniformity allowing one to determine what the original Septuagint actually said. They also said they kept the term Septuagint due to the weight of tradition.
The Greek Orthodox Church denies that the Septuagint of today is what they had in the beginning. Their liturgy that they handed down from the beginning was not based on today's Septuagint, but rather the reading of the text found in the King James Bible.
The Isaiah Scroll from 200/300 BC follows the Masoretic Text and not the Vatican Septuagint. The Dead Sea Scrolls were carbon dated, but the Vatican scroll was not.
If you do the math in Genesis chapter five you will find the numbers for Methusaleh's dates are not correct. The numbers leave Methusaleh living fourteen years beyond the flood.
If you go to Isaiah 9:6, my favorite verse, you will find that the names of Jesus, "Wonderful, Counselor, the mighty God, the everlasting Father, the Prince of Peace" are missing.
You also will find in the forward to NETS, the "New English Translation of the Septuagint" by Oxford Press, that the Alexandrine manuscripts do not exhibit a uniformity allowing one to determine what the original Septuagint actually said. They also said they kept the term Septuagint due to the weight of tradition.
The Greek Orthodox Church denies that the Septuagint of today is what they had in the beginning. Their liturgy that they handed down from the beginning was not based on today's Septuagint, but rather the reading of the text found in the King James Bible.
The Isaiah Scroll from 200/300 BC follows the Masoretic Text and not the Vatican Septuagint. The Dead Sea Scrolls were carbon dated, but the Vatican scroll was not.
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Lol. Yes yes, there are variations some better some worse.
Please find a good one I just blasted that out there.
The point is that the DATES AND CHRONONLOGIES are the "LONG COUNT".
And the age of Job is specified at over 240 years.
There is the Alexandrian LXX (has errors also) which is my go-to for the most part.
Cannot find it right now.
But the thing is, in Pauls day, the LXX that he had available (and quoted from!) were NOT CORRUPTED,
and were actually translated from the old PROTO-HEBREW manuscripts back in 250-300BC -ish.
Unfortunately, today we have to use the various LXX's and cross check everything with the NT to find the errors.
And YES there are errors in these preserved AND CORRUPTED LXX's.
But I know where the errors are. Luck me huh?
Please find a good one I just blasted that out there.
The point is that the DATES AND CHRONONLOGIES are the "LONG COUNT".
And the age of Job is specified at over 240 years.
There is the Alexandrian LXX (has errors also) which is my go-to for the most part.
Cannot find it right now.
But the thing is, in Pauls day, the LXX that he had available (and quoted from!) were NOT CORRUPTED,
and were actually translated from the old PROTO-HEBREW manuscripts back in 250-300BC -ish.
Unfortunately, today we have to use the various LXX's and cross check everything with the NT to find the errors.
And YES there are errors in these preserved AND CORRUPTED LXX's.
But I know where the errors are. Luck me huh?
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Here you go man. A nice tight synopsis of what happened, how it happened and when.
https://www.barrysetterfield.org/Septuagint_History.html
https://www.barrysetterfield.org/Septuagint_History.html
I've always appreciated your down-to-earth postings, Pilgrim! This one put a smile on my face with your "muchacho" and "amigo" references. Job strikes me as a "simple man" like the two of us who are trying to muddle our way through this challenging life as best we can.
And, I think you're touching on an important point as we study God's Word, the Holy Bible: either we take God at His Word or we don't. That's one of the biggest problems I've seen with secular scholarship - they can't grasp the spiritual elements and draw upon the inspiration of the Holy Spirit and faith as we seek a deeper understanding of our relationship with God and His Word.
The evidence looks pretty convincing to me that Job lived around ~2500 B.C., which is before Abraham. I'm curious how Job's experiences were actually documented because writing was quite sparse to non-existent back then. A lot of these stories were passed down through oral tradition from generation-to-generation.
The idea of Moses actually compiling the original "documentation" for Job makes sense to me. I find it intriguing that Job doesn't appear in at least the original texts of the Old Testament until Ezekiel's time or shortly thereafter. I did a little reading about Ezekiel, and he was not only a prophet; he had a priestly background as well. I wonder if the original text for Job was in the library of texts that the priests were responsible for, and it didn't actually get published for a wider audience until the Babylonian exile/return to Palestine era for the Jews?
I suspect there was revision that took place to Job during that era where Persia and Greece were the powerhouses because that's when some of the great classical poetry, drama, and literature was produced. I haven't seen any convincing evidence to support this other than the fact that reading Job reminds me so much of reading the Iliad and Odyssey, for example.
The structure of a prologue and epilogue sandwiching in sophisticated drama, poetry, and prose was an art the Greeks in particular became masters at, and it has influenced our art and writing to the present day. I'm not saying this couldn't have been accomplished back in Job's day or even Moses' (with God all things are possible). But, I'm pretty certain that there was at least some level of revision inspired by the Holy Spirit back in that 300-600 B.C. to Job as we know it today.
The fact that it was canonized shows its authenticity in the Writings of the OT for sure! And, James gives Job credence and credibility in the NT as well. I absolutely love this book, one of my favorites in the Bible!
And, I think you're touching on an important point as we study God's Word, the Holy Bible: either we take God at His Word or we don't. That's one of the biggest problems I've seen with secular scholarship - they can't grasp the spiritual elements and draw upon the inspiration of the Holy Spirit and faith as we seek a deeper understanding of our relationship with God and His Word.
The evidence looks pretty convincing to me that Job lived around ~2500 B.C., which is before Abraham. I'm curious how Job's experiences were actually documented because writing was quite sparse to non-existent back then. A lot of these stories were passed down through oral tradition from generation-to-generation.
The idea of Moses actually compiling the original "documentation" for Job makes sense to me. I find it intriguing that Job doesn't appear in at least the original texts of the Old Testament until Ezekiel's time or shortly thereafter. I did a little reading about Ezekiel, and he was not only a prophet; he had a priestly background as well. I wonder if the original text for Job was in the library of texts that the priests were responsible for, and it didn't actually get published for a wider audience until the Babylonian exile/return to Palestine era for the Jews?
I suspect there was revision that took place to Job during that era where Persia and Greece were the powerhouses because that's when some of the great classical poetry, drama, and literature was produced. I haven't seen any convincing evidence to support this other than the fact that reading Job reminds me so much of reading the Iliad and Odyssey, for example.
The structure of a prologue and epilogue sandwiching in sophisticated drama, poetry, and prose was an art the Greeks in particular became masters at, and it has influenced our art and writing to the present day. I'm not saying this couldn't have been accomplished back in Job's day or even Moses' (with God all things are possible). But, I'm pretty certain that there was at least some level of revision inspired by the Holy Spirit back in that 300-600 B.C. to Job as we know it today.
The fact that it was canonized shows its authenticity in the Writings of the OT for sure! And, James gives Job credence and credibility in the NT as well. I absolutely love this book, one of my favorites in the Bible!
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Well said brother . I’m not too sure honestly who the author or what the date is . A lot of times we simply have no way to ever find a real solid and convincing answer on things like that.
We can just see in the Bible from the story the Bible lays out and then if we choose to we can go down the road of trying to figure out what exactly happened 2700 years ago or 5000 years ago
In the end I feel like as we take that route each person is going to find thier own information and form thier own opinion through reckoning and connecting dots
all I mean To say Is I feel like it’s better to learn what it teaches people about God and mankind . Whether the book of job or the Books of Moses or the prophets ect
so later when we meet him in the gospel the things he’s saying make sense
always a blessing bro
We can just see in the Bible from the story the Bible lays out and then if we choose to we can go down the road of trying to figure out what exactly happened 2700 years ago or 5000 years ago
In the end I feel like as we take that route each person is going to find thier own information and form thier own opinion through reckoning and connecting dots
all I mean To say Is I feel like it’s better to learn what it teaches people about God and mankind . Whether the book of job or the Books of Moses or the prophets ect
so later when we meet him in the gospel the things he’s saying make sense
always a blessing bro
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