Ask away.. I am willing to answer any question any about my biblical beliefs

[4runner]

I like that you agreed with it, until I pointed out it was Calvinism.

Actually I mis read your post and thought you said it disproved perseverance of the saints. I have never believed the false teaching of OSAS

 

[4runner]

4Runner,

You shouldn't have to defend your faith in Christ. Neither should any of these people question your faith.

You are right, nor do I feel the need to

This thread needs to end....

Actually what needs to happen is for people to respect the op, and stop trying to hijack the thread.

 

[Grandpa]

If this were true Grandpa then why do so many choose to ignore walking in love for people in exchange for the love of knowledge?

While I realize that it would be wrong of me to judge an entire category of people according to the words and actions of a minority, I can honestly say that of all the Calvinists / Reformed church members that I have met in real life and online (which have been several), I can count on one hand the number of them who acted in humility and seemed to possess genuine love and respect for others outside of their own gatherings. As for the rest, they seem to value knowledge more than anything else and have allowed that knowledge to make them prideful and arrogant. That's why I feel that Calvinism has become at best a form of intellectualism based entirley on cold hearted doctrine, not a heart that has truly been converted by the love of God.

I know what you are saying. Some of the people who I think are intellectually the closest to understanding salvation and sanctification are the farthest away from loving their brothers. And some people who are the farthest away intellectually to understanding salvation and sanctification are closest to expressing their love for their brothers.

Maybe it is because intellectual types sometimes have a hard time expressing their feelings?

The fact remains that without the correct knowledge you will be acting on error.

Hosea 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.

 

[4runner]

I agree many who have knowledge of the truth do not have love, and many that have love do not have truth. However Jesus had both grace and truth and so should we. The problem with calvinist is that they have neither love for others or knowledge of the truth.

 

[Strangelove]

I agree many who have knowledge of the truth do not have love, and many that have love do not have truth. However Jesus had both grace and truth and so should we. The problem with calvinist is that they have neither love for others or knowledge of the truth.

Ouch!

I dont think the calvinists are gonna like that one bit.

 

[zone]

First it makes God out to be a liar, because He tells us He is no respecter of person, but Calvinism says He does respect some while not respecting other choosing some for Heaven and damning others to Hell with absolutely no chance of Salvation whatsoever.

Secondly it makes Him a rapist forcing Himself on the ''chosen'' whether they like it or not.

Lastly is makes Him a murderer creating some for the sole reason of damning them to Hell for all eternity.

The God of Calvinism is NOT the God of scripture that so love the world that He gave His only begotten Son, so that not one has to perish.

what childish drivel.
no respector of persons means when it comes to JUDGMENT.
doctor lawyer indian chief...all the same righteous Judgment.

calling God a rapist...so clever....FORCING HIMSELF ON PEOPLE.....oh ya....course. you regenerated yourself while you were dead. how SPIRITUAL YOU ARE!

but you pelagians did it all yourselves. Lucky God.

and calling God a murderer....even though Jesus said all men are already condemned.

hmmmm....typical blasphemer

 

[zone]

How is this so?

LOVE THE AVATAR DIGGS.

 

[zone]

Colossians 3:13 "Bear with each other and forgive whatever grievances you may have against one another. Forgive as the Lord forgave you"

Hebrews 12:15 "See to it that no one misses the grace of God and that no bitter root grows up to cause trouble and defile many"

1 Peter 4:9-11 "Be hospitable to one another without grumbling. As each one has received a gift, minister it to one another, as good stewards of the manifold grace of God. If anyone speaks, let him speak as the oracles of God.

Regardless of what 4runner may or may not be guilty of, if you are a true follower of Christ then what right do you have to withhold the grace which God has so freely bestowed upon you from 4runner?

What good is it to learn the scriptures if all we use them for is to judge and criticize others? Scripture is useless to us until we begin to apply it to our own lives.

BUDDY
your godliness is impressive. but
you came in a little late.
4runner has repeatedly called me satan, a dog, you name it.
and consistently tells others they're not saved. LOL.
he's lied about everything since he got here and everybody knows it.

and he ain't my brother.
he's a heretic.

if he is willing to hear the Gospel, i'm happy to share it with him.
but he's already got some other religion so i doubt he's interested.

but i'm glad he has a friend.

 

[zone]

Matthew 22
1 And Jesus answered and spake unto them again by parables, and said,
2 The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king, which made a marriage for his son,
3 And sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come.
4 Again, he sent forth other servants, saying, Tell them which are bidden, Behold, I have prepared my dinner: my oxen and my fatlings are killed, and all things are ready: come unto the marriage.
5 But they made light of it, and went their ways, one to his farm, another to his merchandise:
6 And the remnant took his servants, and entreated them spitefully, and slew them.
7 But when the king heard thereof, he was wroth: and he sent forth his armies, and destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city.
8 Then saith he to his servants, The wedding is ready, but they which were bidden were not worthy.
9 Go ye therefore into the highways, and as many as ye shall find, bid to the marriage.
10 So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests.
11 And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment:
12 And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless.
13 Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness, there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
14 For many are called, but few are chosen.

Not everyone god calls responds. This disprove predestination, and irresistible grace

uh....huh?
this is a parable.
about apostate israel.
and the gospel going to gentiles.

do you know what a parable is?

 

[zone]

A calvinist knows God is Big. A calvinist knows that God is omniscient, all knowing and sovereign. You can tell a calvinist that God is in fact small but you are correct, a calvinist will not believe this. You and 100 of your friends can tell a calvinist that God needs our help to save us, but yet the calvinist will not believe you or your 100 friends. Because the calvinist knows that God is sovereign and powerful to save. The calvinist knows that there is nothing inherently good in him and only the Sovereign Lord is good and He does what He wills.

All people who think God is small think God needs their help save to save them and others. People who think God is small need people to be powerful. But we know people are not powerful, don't we? Deep down don't we know that only God is powerful and He does what He wills? Don't we all know that the Lord Jesus is the Author and Finisher of salvation?

You don't tell God that you have free will and those are the rules that God has to live by. God tells you what is what and those are the rules you have to live by. The clay does not say to the Potter, "why have you made me this way?". Nobody is in the position to say to God "What doest thou?".

amen Grandpa.

Sola Scriptura - Scripture Alone
Solus Christus - Christ Alone
Sola Gratia - Grace Alone
Sola Fide - Faith Alone
Soli Deo Gloria - The Glory of God Alone


Unwarranted confidence in human ability is a product of fallen human nature ... God's grace in Christ is not merely necessary but is the sole efficient cause of salvation. We confess that human beings are born spiritually dead and are incapable even of cooperating with regenerating grace. We reaffirm that in salvation we are rescued from God's wrath by his grace alone. It is the supernatural work of the Holy Spirit that brings us to Christ by releasing us from our bondage to sin and raising us from spiritual death to spiritual life. We deny that salvation is in any sense a human work. Human methods, techniques or strategies by themselves cannot accomplish this transformation. Faith is not produced by our unregenerated human nature. - Cambridge Declaration

 

[zone]

Does He?

Gen 2:19) And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.

Gen 22:12) And he said, Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him: for now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only son from me.

Gen 6:
5) And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
6) And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
7) And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.

shroom:

the nearest i can come to expressing this is:

you have a child you love and know.
(since you are not omniscient, we'll have to give you some help)
you present your child with some toy animals and tape record him naming them.

then you go an sit with him to see what he will name them.

you already knew, but YOU STILL MADE THE NAMES HIS CHOICE. you gave him that priviledge.

and is His patience tried continually with man? LOOK HOW WICKED MAN IS. and yet He has not destroyed us. He has not kept secret the fact that He is filled with wrath over our sin, and that He will one day pour out that wrath.

But He is merciful enough TO SAVE SOME.

why is that so hard to accept?

as for abraham, come on shroom...yes, God does test us.
but all of that with Isaac WAS GOD REVEALING HIS PLAN TO MAN.

that event is recorded for us, and abram's trust in the Promise was imputed to him as righteousness.
was there EVER any question God was going to have Isaac sacrificed?

 

[zone]

What if you want to love God, but He decreed you to destruction?

That is not logical.

no such thing.
if you want to love God it is because he has enabled you to do so.
He intervened and overrode your darkened mind which was at war with Him, hating Him.

if you have been enabled to love Him, you have been called out.
and you WILL be saved.

 

[zone]

Ok thats enough with the Calvinism bull. This thread is not about the delusions of John Calvin who himself was a heretic and murderer.

Lets move on to another subject. Unless of course you people want to prove again you have no respect for others.

Does anybody got a question that has nothing to do with Calvin, Calvinism, or deformed, umm I mean reformed heresy, umm I mean theology?

right.
this thread is about the delusions of 4runner.

calvin's more interesting.

 

[zone]

No every doctrine of Calvinism is satanic, including the P or OSAS. It is totally satanic.

work work work work.....you MIGHT make it.
if you obey the Law Perfectly.

and you won't know until you stand at the Throne.
but the Bible already warned you....you'll be paying your debt since you insist on working.

you'll receive your wages.

 

[loveschild]

BUDDY
your godliness is impressive. but
you came in a little late.
4runner has repeatedly called me satan, a dog, you name it.
and consistently tells others they're not saved. LOL.
he's lied about everything since he got here and everybody knows it.

and he ain't my brother.
he's a heretic.

if he is willing to hear the Gospel, i'm happy to share it with him.
but he's already got some other religion so i doubt he's interested.

but i'm glad he has a friend.

Zone you've called more ugly names than any on this site. The poor me syndrome again right??

 

[zone]

Whether you all want to believe it or not, we are saved by grace through faith in Christ and by faith alone. Our salvation does not rest on whether or not we believe in Calvinism, Arminianism, amillennialism, premillennialism, once saved always saved, the baptism of the Holy Ghost or some other secondary doctrine.

Who are you to doubt the validity of another's salvation who has placed their faith in Jesus Christ just because they might disagree with you on several points? Those who are guilty of doing so need to repent and turn away from their foolish prideful behavior!

YA 4RUNNER.
LISTEN TO YOUR FRIEND

 

[zone]

Greetings,

I would disagree slightly with that. God made the first move in salvation before that, in His foreknowledge and predestination [Romans 8:29-30]. The atoning sacrifice that was committed on the cross was to expunge the debt account and bring the balance of the outstanding account to -0-. The Holy Spirit is the seal of our redemption. You say, "God has moved. Now it's your move." This isn't chess, we are not playing chess with our Holy Creator whose name is to forever be praised! Understand your situation and humble yourself friend. Before your were blessed with saving grace what were you free to do for God. Can someone who is dead in trespasses and sins [Eph. 2:1-5] make a 'free will' choice to chose God?

Better yet, can a corpse at a funeral do anything positive besides decompose? Can a condemned prisoner on death row pardon his own conviction without an external advocate (i.e. warden or Governor)?

The Unsaved don't seek the true God

Rom 3:11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.​

John 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

Luke 19:10 For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.

Gen 6:5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man [was] great in the earth, and [that] every imagination of the thoughts of his heart [was] only evil continually.

Psalms 10:4 The wicked in his proud countenance does not seek [God]; God [is] in none of his thoughts.

Psalms 14:2-3 The LORD looks down from heaven upon the children of men, To see if there are any who understand, who seek God. (3) They have all turned aside, They have together become corrupt; There is none who does good, No, not one.

Psalms 119:155 Salvation [is] far from the wicked, For they do not seek Your statutes.

Isa 53:6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

Isa 64:7 And [there is] none that calleth upon thy name, that stirreth up himself to take hold of thee: for thou hast hid thy face from us, and hast consumed us, because of our iniquities.

Isa 65:1 I am sought of [them that] asked not [for me]; I am found of [them that] sought me not: I said, Behold me, behold me, unto a nation [that] was not called by my name.

Hos 7:10 And the pride of Israel testifieth to his face: and they do not return to the LORD their God, nor seek him for all this.

Rom 10:20 But Esaias is very bold, and saith, I was found of them that sought me not; I was made manifest unto them that asked not after me.

Matthew 18:12-14 "What do you think? If a man has a hundred sheep, and one of them goes astray, does he not leave the ninety-nine and go to the mountains to seek the one that is straying? (13) "And if he should find it, assuredly, I say to you, he rejoices more over that sheep than over the ninety-nine that did not go astray. (14) "Even so it is not the will of your Father who is in heaven that one of these little ones should perish.

John 8:43-47 Why do you not understand My speech? Because you are not able to listen to My word. (44) You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it. (45) But because I tell the truth, you do not believe Me. (46) Which of you convicts Me of sin? And if I tell the truth, why do you not believe Me? (47) He who is of God hears God's words; therefore you do not hear, because you are not of God."​

1 Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.​

Romans 8:5-9 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. (6) For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. (7) Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. (8) So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God. (9) But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His.


{In verse 7, "nor indeed can be" means "for it is unable to do so".}


{Unregenerate man is unable to do what is "pleasing to God"; namely, repent & believe}

yay BROTHER WILLIAM!!!
AMEN!
LOVE YOU.
preach it.

and i LOVE that you got that Romans 8 in there.
these perfectionists might want to take yet another look at their "walking in the Spirit" LOL
love ya
zoneth

 

[loveschild]

work work work work.....you MIGHT make it.
if you obey the Law Perfectly.

and you won't know until you stand at the Throne.
but the Bible already warned you....you'll be paying your debt since you insist on working.

you'll receive your wages.

1. John 5:36
   But I have as My witness something greater (weightier, higher, better) than that of John; for the works that the Father has appointed Me to accomplish and finish, the very same works that I am now doing, are a witness and proof that the Father has sent Me.
   John 5:35-37 (in Context) John 5 (Whole Chapter)
2. John 6:28
   They then said, What are we to do, that we may [habitually] be working the works of God? [What are we to do to carry out what God requires?]
   John 6:27-29 (in Context) John 6 (Whole Chapter)
3. John 7:3
   So His brothers said to Him, Leave here and go into Judea, so that Your disciples [there] may also see the works that You do. [This is no place for You.]
   John 7:2-4 (in Context) John 7 (Whole Chapter)
4. John 7:7
   The world cannot [be expected to] hate you, but it does hate Me because I denounce it for its wicked works and reveal that its doings are evil.
   John 7:6-8 (in Context) John 7 (Whole Chapter)

1. Romans 2:6
   For He will render to every man according to his works [justly, as his deeds deserve]:
   Romans 2:5-7 (in Context) Romans 2 (Whole Chapter)

 

[zone]

4Runner,

You shouldn't have to defend your faith in Christ. Neither should any of these people question your faith.

For everyone else,

The bible tells us that when we believe that we have encountered someone who is in error and they refuse to accept "correction" then you are to walk away from them having nothing to do with them other than keeping them in prayer that God might reach them. You are not to argue with that person, call that person a heretic, or ridicule that person. By doing so you are every bit in error as the person who you claim is in error. I repeat:

YOU ALL ARE IN ERROR

If you do not like 4runner and his unwillingness to accept your point of view then you should ignore him and pray for him rather than causing an uproar. If you are unable to resist the flesh then maybe you should take some time away from this website. Your arguing, insults and the like are doing more to hurt the gospel than to help it. While you might think you are some kind of watchdog, in reality you have become a wolf in sheep's clothing.

This thread needs to end....

well, though you may think you are, you're not an Apostle.
so thanks anyways.

4runner started a thread about his beliefs and said to ask questions.
he's quite thrilled to get the attention.

 

[zone]

Zone you've called more ugly names than any on this site. The poor me syndrome again right??

oh linda don't you have demons to deal with?
as far as you're concerned non-pentecostals aren't saved.

no poor me.....just stating the facts re: 4runner.

didn't God tell you to write a book about the church Linda?
how's that coming along?

i thought you were obedient.