Muslims forbid Christians from celebrating Christmas (Bogor, Indonesia)
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I don't disagree, and to be honest I didn't realize I was in this thread when I wrote that reply. I was only referring to Christians that hold these judgements over each other, the whole "pagan roots" debate. But I do not believe that applies to the Indonesians forbidding Christmas situation at all. That's 100% wrong and the fruit of a wicked ideology called Islam. I agree completely that is wrong and that was not what my comment was talking about. I was ONLY replying to that one comment from ZNP and not to the OP at all. Sorry for the confusion.
That is fine, I am not a resident or citizen of Indonesia. I have no issue with the people of that country making laws about what holidays they celebrate, and what are national holidays. But the idea that Christians should rise up to defend Indonesians who wish to celebrate a pagan holiday is utterly beyond me.
Yes, I know there are those that do celebrate this purely as a time to worship the birth of the savior. They are the exception to the rule and not in any way typical of the average celebration of this holiday.
But even for them, there is nothing in the New Testament saying we are to celebrate Jesus birth on December 25th, in fact we are told the opposite that we are not in any way required to celebrate any holy day. Even with the Lord's table Paul refers to it as "whatever day". So the New Testament gives Christians complete freedom in worshipping the Lord and keeping the Lord's table and that is the celebration that we do in remembrance of Him.
Yes, I know there are those that do celebrate this purely as a time to worship the birth of the savior. They are the exception to the rule and not in any way typical of the average celebration of this holiday.
But even for them, there is nothing in the New Testament saying we are to celebrate Jesus birth on December 25th, in fact we are told the opposite that we are not in any way required to celebrate any holy day. Even with the Lord's table Paul refers to it as "whatever day". So the New Testament gives Christians complete freedom in worshipping the Lord and keeping the Lord's table and that is the celebration that we do in remembrance of Him.
Yes I do. But it is so confusing because I misunderstood your comment in that response. It was concerning something completely unrelated and it was all because I misunderstood what you were saying. I do agree with you that we as Christians should stand against these injustices against our brothers and sisters. 100% for standing against it. Sorry for the confusion, and it was all 100% from me and my replying to something based on a faulty understanding.
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Phew, glad you cleared that up, there were a whole lot of Hindus, Buddhists, and Muslims that thought the carpet had just been pulled out from under them. But they can rest assured, Sharia law can legislate the worship of Satan. I think Nebuchadnezzar was the first to prove you can pass laws requiring you worship according to his religion.
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Of course there are "christian" ism's that have been legislated, the Anglicism vs Catholicism in England, the Catholicism vs everything else, etc.
These followed Constantine's creation of a blend of paganism with Christianity that runs counter of genuine Spirit filled Christianity of the church in Acts.
These followed Constantine's creation of a blend of paganism with Christianity that runs counter of genuine Spirit filled Christianity of the church in Acts.
