Understanding God’s election

Genez · 2024-12-24T16:38:39-0500

That is not talking about people.

Aye?

The word "world," means mankind and the culture he lives in. Not the planet...
Notice that it says, "earth?" Not, world.

Do you believe that He died for the sins of the planet???????????????????

GWH · 2024-12-24T16:41:52-0500

Rufus said:

I find it odd that you totally omitted God's "chief" attribute: HOLINESS! You say (and rightfully so) that God *IS* love. But the prophet also said Holy, Holy, Holy *IS* the Lord of Hosts. (When something is repeated more than once in scripture, it is designed to catch our attention. We are to consider it as extremely important!) But even more than this, God's NAME *IS* Holy (Isa 57:15). This means He is holy in his essence. It certainly appears that Holiness is the controlling attribute of God for it governs all that God thinks, says and does. A great example of this can be seen in various places of the OT whenever God sharply rebukes Israel for its abominable practice of offering up their own children as sacrifices to pagan gods. God would often say about that practice (to paraphrase), "such a thing never entered my mind..." I suppose one could argue that God said that out of his love or out of his holiness or even both.

I meant for holiness to be seen as part of justness, but I will amend my website and state it explicitly. The reason I did not is because I think holiness means "Otherness" that includes all of the attributes. I will ponder that. Thanks! :^)

Rufus · 2024-12-24T16:43:38-0500

Genez said:

This is the "millennium". You're helplessly confused!

rogerg · 2024-12-24T16:44:57-0500

Genez said:

First, you said:
"He loved it so much?
He wants it back!"

What is the "it"?

Second, if "the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. ", what remains?

Rufus · 2024-12-24T16:46:50-0500

Genez said:

What a lame rebuttal! So are you saying that Christ's "1,000-year" kingdom is not here on earth?

Rufus · 2024-12-24T16:48:39-0500

rogerg said:

Sadly, more exceedingly lame dispen rebuttals.

Kroogz · 2024-12-24T16:54:48-0500

rogerg said:

Loved the world. Based upon His Character and nature, he loves all of mankind.

Hates this world. The SYSTEM of this world. The things Satan and mankind have corrupted.

It's pretty simple if we don't try to force a philosophy or theology into the truth. This is kindergarten stuff.

Genez · 2024-12-24T16:56:11-0500

Rufus said:

Enjoy your wood, hay and stubble.

1 Corinthians 3:12-14

If anyone builds on this foundation using gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay or stubble,
their work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light.
It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each person’s work.
If what has been built survives, the builder will receive a reward.

rogerg · 2024-12-24T17:05:21-0500

Kroogz said:

Not exactly sure of your point, but per 2Pet 3:10, everything will be destroyed: both the heavens and earth, entirely.
Judgment will also occur then for mankind - on the last day - the day of the Lord.

Genez · 2024-12-24T17:10:05-0500

Rufus said:

The only thing lame I am seeing is your thinking ability.
For it can not comprehend what was written plainly.

You distort my words just as easily as you distort Scripture.
So, I do not take offense personally.
Even though, seeing such wrong-action anywhere, I see as highly offensive.

Even though you are saved...
God in His has sovereignty is allowing for you to keep walking into ditches of your own digging.

For, you 'dig' what is false doctrine.
It feels good to believe it.

Can you Dig it man?

Rufus · 2024-12-24T17:10:29-0500

Genez said:

Even wood, hay and stubble can be useful; but your nonsense? Not so much!

Rufus · 2024-12-24T17:14:50-0500

Genez said:

You're the one who made a mountain out of a mole hill with the term "earth". Yet, at the same time you believe that Christ's 1,000 year kingdom will indeed be an earthly rule -- far from perfect (which is what you claimed), by the way, since the rule ends with another uprising. This earthly kingdom will not be sinless by any stretch.

John146 · 2024-12-24T18:32:20-0500

Rufus said:

Useful for a fire.

John146 · 2024-12-24T18:35:06-0500

Rufus said:

Of course his earthly kingdom will have sinners, though he will rule with a rod of iron. The Lord will deal with them. At the end, satan will deceive the nations once again, surround Jerusalem and King Jesus, and fire will come down from heaven and consume them.

Cranberry · 2024-12-24T20:21:08-0500

@GWH , I couldn't post a reply to your post 5,350 because there were too many characters.
Just a few references.

Genesis 19:17-26
Genesis 38:7
Exodus 28
Leviticus 10
Numbers 31
Hosea 13

Cranberry · 2024-12-24T20:23:49-0500

Genez said:

I am a Jew by DNA. I was born again in 1968.
Graduated from a three-year Bible college with honors.

I must say...

You have no idea how much there is for you to learn and to yet know.
But, you seem to think you have reached as far as one can go.

God is not yet done with the Jews as a people!
There has presently been a partial hardening on the part of Israel during the Church age
because God is now gathering to himself his Church/Bride.

There will be 144,000 Jews raised up as evangelists on earth.
Raised up by God after the Church has been removed and taken to heaven.

They will be Jews! Not the Church!

Revelation 7:4-8

And I heard the number of those who were sealed.

One hundred and forty-four thousand of all the tribes

of the children of Israel were sealed:

of the tribe of Judah twelve thousand were sealed;

of the tribe of Reuben twelve thousand were sealed;

of the tribe of Gad twelve thousand were sealed;

of the tribe of Asher twelve thousand were sealed;

of the tribe of Naphtali twelve thousand were sealed;

of the tribe of Manasseh twelve thousand were sealed;

of the tribe of Simeon twelve thousand were sealed;

of the tribe of Levi twelve thousand were sealed;

of the tribe of Issachar twelve thousand were sealed;

of the tribe of Zebulun twelve thousand were sealed;

of the tribe of Joseph twelve thousand were sealed;

of the tribe of Benjamin twelve thousand were sealed.

The Church has no tribes!

......

Which Bible college?

Genez · 2024-12-24T21:05:17-0500

Cranberry said:

I graduated in 1981.

It's no longer there.

Cranberry · 2024-12-24T21:15:45-0500

Genez said:

That's OK. What was its name?

Genez · 2024-12-24T22:02:49-0500

Cranberry said:

Want me to make one up?

There would be nothing good forthcoming from you, no matter... Unless it were a TULIP based school.
I did attend and graduate from a three-year Bible college. Non-TULIP.

Cranberry · 2024-12-24T22:09:46-0500

Genez said:

I've given you no cause to address me with a rebuff to a sincere question. Perhaps you've confused me with someone else?

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