God had given us a commandment the Tithes & Offerings. How people today followed the commandment?

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

so then the person who only had 9 animals would not have to pay the income tax.

Tithes weren't based on the number of animals a person had, but on how many were born in a year, ie God's increase. Tithes weren't a tax based on what a person earned, but were God's portion of the increase that he gave.

As far as I can tell through scripture, the tenth newborn animal was the tithe; not 10% of 9 animals. I assume tenth animal means every tenth animal instead of just the tenth animal that was counted.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

Tithes weren't based on the number of animals a person had, but on how many were born in a year, ie God's increase. Tithes weren't a tax based on what a person earned, but were God's portion of the increase that he gave.

As far as I can tell through scripture, the tenth newborn animal was the tithe; not 10% of 9 animals. I assume tenth animal means every tenth animal instead of just the tenth animal that was counted.

once again, It was like an income tax. Because it was collected and used for the nation of Israel. like our income taxes are taken and used for the united states.

the base income tax in the US is 30% so if you take this, and add 10% and give that to the church as a tithe. then also give your offerings of whatever that is. you have a person giving almost 50 % of his or her income to his government and the church.\

Most people can not afford this..

I have seen people go bankrupt because they refuse to stop tithing, even though their income did nto allow it..

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

once again, It was like an income tax.

Once again, it wasn't based on what a person earned, which is what income taxes are. Tithes were based on what God gave them, the tenth part being his to return to him. What people earned via their labors was there's to keep 100%.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

I have seen people go bankrupt because they refuse to stop tithing, even though their income did nto allow it..

That's why people need to understand that the tithe was not an income tax. There's no justification for preachers to turn it into one

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

That's why people need to understand that the tithe was not an income tax. There's no justification for preachers to turn it into one

It was an income tax to the jews.

That means that the gentiles do not need to do it.

Its not that complicated

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

It was an income tax to the jews.

That means that the gentiles do not need to do it.

Its not that complicated

That argument won't work with most Christians

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

That argument won't work with most Christians

I could care less really. Its how I see it. If you do not, that is fine.. I am not going to sit here and fight over it.

 

[Edify]

If tithes were for the NT church, it would have been written about somewhere, but it isn't.
For instance, we all know Paul was takin up offerings for the poor church at Jerusalem. Yet Paul asked for no tithes to help them.
No church was asked to share of their tithes to Jerusalem.
In fact, tithing is mentioned nowhere in the NT as a command or teaching. It was mentioned historically in Hebrews once.
Surely Paul, an apostle to the gentiles, would have taught it to gentiles because they were ignorant of NT doctrine.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

I could care less really. Its how I see it. If you do not, that is fine.. I am not going to sit here and fight over it.

You could care less than Christians are being deceived about tithes. mkay

 

[Whomsoever]

If hasn't been put forth 1 Tim 5

17 Let the elders that rule well be counted worthy of double honour, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine. 18 For the scripture saith, Thou shalt not muzzle the ox that treadeth out the corn. And, The labourer is worthy of his reward.

 

[Dino246]

Tithes weren't based on the number of animals a person had, but on how many were born in a year, ie God's increase. Tithes weren't a tax based on what a person earned, but were God's portion of the increase that he gave.

As far as I can tell through scripture, the tenth newborn animal was the tithe; not 10% of 9 animals. I assume tenth animal means every tenth animal instead of just the tenth animal that was counted.

While I'd defer to a Hebrew scholar, the way I read the text, it is every tenth animal (of each kind), period; not just the newborns from that year.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

You could care less than Christians are being deceived about tithes. mkay

Like you?

whatever man.. I see you have not changed

 

[Edify]

Whoa, fellas.... This isn't the season to be naughty.

 

[hornetguy]

We were told to give cheerfully, whatever our hearts tell us to give... unless, of course, you are a Hebrew, still trying to keep the old law.

 

[Godsgood]

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God the Father commanded the Law for Tithes & Offerings.
In man's understanding it is very clear what a 10% is.

But this is God the Father the way he Speaks.
EZEKIEL 20:49
49 Then said I, Ah Lord God! they say of me, Doth he not speak parables?

PSALMS 78:2
2 I will open my mouth in a parable: I will utter dark sayings of old:

Tithes & Offerings is a Parable and a Dark Saying of Old.

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This is what the Apostles of Christ did, when the Lord Jesus Christ said about the Temple.
They waited until the Lord Jesus reveal it to them what the Temple meaning is.

The Law in Tithes & Offerings must be obeyed today but in God's revelation and not after Man's understanding.

This is what God the Father said;
ECCLESIASTES 1:9
9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.

 

[Godsgood]

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This is what the Apostles of Christ did, when the Lord Jesus Christ said about the Temple.
They waited until the Lord Jesus reveal it to them what the Temple meaning is.

The Law in Tithes & Offerings must be obeyed today but in God's revelation and not after Man's understanding.

This is what God the Father said;
ECCLESIASTES 1:9
9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.

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If God is referring to Spiritual Tithes & Offerings which the Lord Jesus obeyed (Matthew 5:17)

Question: Why people today who read and believe the holy bible don't know the meaning of Spiritual Tithes & Offerings?
Answer: It is because only to the Chosen of God explained the meaning of it. But for the Unchosen it remains as Parable. And they follow it in letter or literal way only.

MARK 4:34
34 But without a parable spake he not unto them: and when they were alone, he expounded all things to his disciples.

 

[Dino246]

If God is referring to Spiritual Tithes & Offerings which the Lord Jesus obeyed (Matthew 5:17)

Nothing in Matthew's gospel suggests that Jesus obeyed "Spiritual Tithes & Offerings". That's a complete fabrication on your part.

Question: Why people today who read and believe the holy bible don't know the meaning of Spiritual Tithes & Offerings?
Answer: It is because only to the Chosen of God explained the meaning of it. But for the Unchosen it remains as Parable. And they follow it in letter or literal way only.

Hogwash. The reason people don't "know the meaning" is that there is no such thing as "spiritual tithes". The idea simply doesn't appear in Scripture anywhere. Your answer is despicably self-righteous--that you consider yourself "chosen" and other Christians "unchosen" is the height of arrogance, and you are very wrong.

MARK 4:34

34 But without a parable spake he not unto them: and when they were alone, he expounded all things to his disciples.

You have misinterpreted this and grossly misapplied it. Firstly, this is a context-specific statement pertinent only to Jesus' public ministry while on Earth. Secondly, it says nothing at all about the rest of Scripture. Thirdly, it says nothing about people reading, interpreting, and applying Scripture.

Scripture is confusing in places, as Peter notes, and we need the Holy Spirit to help us understand it fully, but that doesn't mean it is completely incomprehensible, and definitely not that only certain people are "chosen" to understand it. Your stubborn insistence that everything has an opaque "spiritual" application is leading you far astray. Get some sound Bible teaching and stop misinterpreting it so badly, lest you waylay yourself into heresy.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Since tithes were the fulfillment by Jacob's children of Jacob's vow to give God the tenth of everything he gave him, and tithes were the fruits of the land, the closest thing I can see to spiritual tithes would be sharing the fruits of the spirit with everyone.

 

[Dino246]

Since tithes were the fulfillment by Jacob's children of Jacob's vow to give God the tenth of everything he gave him

Where is that in Scripture?

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Where is that in Scripture?

It's not and I wasn't even being serious. I was just trying to imagine what a spiritual tithe could possibly be, even though the idea seems kind of ridiculous.

However, if you were referring to Jacob vowing to give the tenth to God that is in Genesis 28:22. He never received the land, so his descendants who did receive it were required to fulfill his vow. That's not stated explicitly in scripture, but there it is and it's as good as any explanation for the existence of tithes.