Preterism, Futurism, Historicism 3 Schools of Interpretation

[Dino246]

i didn't give in depth definitions because i wanted to leave it open for your imput...



But i disagree that it is doesn't matter..... The understanding on these points of prophecy can change huge amounts of a persons belief and the whole revelation of Gods character can be distorted causeing people to miss the boat.

for example ..... the second chance doctrine.... if people believe they will get a second chance they may neglect to exercise faith today.

But we are told that today is the day of salvation.

The "second chance doctrine"? Never heard of it. It sounds like purgatory. What I do believe is what Scripture says: God is patient, not wanting anyone to perish.

I agree that people's beliefs can be distorted and even corrupted through misinterpretation of Scripture... which is why they should hold their conclusions regarding Revelation lightly.

 

[TMS]

questions to consider
What is the Lords Day for if not to 'save' those who didn't get a chance at salvation during this age? Why all the priests and judges reigning with Christ all that time? Who would the priests be priests to, if not the dead? Why would Satan be bound and then loosed again, if not for testing? If not the dead getting their names in the book of life at the end of the Lords Day then who is?

When Jesus comes, judgment is finished.
The line is drawn between the saved and unsaved.
To exercise judgment on the world Jesus must have already judged all souls.

Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

 

[TMS]

Rev 22:11-12
11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still. 12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

 

[TMS]

My concern is that every major protestant church (except one or two) has swalled the futurist or preterist method, hook line and sinker.

The whole doctrine of the secret rapture is a result of the futurist method and millions follow it. And futurism was INVENTED by a Jesuit with the purpose of changing the way people interpret prophecy...

 

[GaryA]

Which one are you using and is it correct?

HISTORICIST - Yes!

 

[GaryA]

and, behold, the four winds of the heaven strove upon the great sea.



The four winds of heaven STROVE...wouldn't that come AFTER the 4 angels who were holding them back had released them?

Not necessarily...

It could - it might - however, that is not the only time that it could happen.

You are making an unwarranted assumption - as if, in all of human history, the four winds "strove" only once - why do you not think this could have happened many times?

I do not believe there is enough information in what you are suggesting to clearly justify the one-to-one association you are proposing.

 

[GaryA]

When Jesus comes, judgment is finished.

No - the final Judgment will be after the Millennium.

The line is drawn between the saved and unsaved.

No - there will be people - saved and lost - during the Millennium.

To exercise judgment on the world Jesus must have already judged all souls.

No - at that time, there will still be "future" souls - from the Millennium - to be judged in the final Judgment.

 

[TMS]

No - the final Judgment will be after the Millennium.

Jesus comes with His reward.
The first resurrection is before the millennium and the saved are with Jesus from that point on.

Those that are part of the second resurrection are the lost. The unrighteous will be judged for their evil deeds.
If you are not with Jesus during the millennium you are lost.

But the unrighteous, lost still need to be judged.... punished.

Sentenced to eternal death..

Joh 5:28-29
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, 29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

Rev 20:4-6
4 ......and they (the righteous) lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

 

[TMS]

No - there will be people - saved and lost - during the Millennium.

Please show me a bible verse....

 

[Adstar]

Which one are you using and is it correct?

I am a mix.. mostly a futurist mixed with a little historisim i guess..

I am definitly not a PRAETERIST , to me thats a catholic religion creation where they tried to make out that the catholic church was the promised rule of the saints with Jesus for 1000 symbolic years.. the catholic church has never had anything to do with the Saints and never will..

 

[Adstar]

No - the final Judgment will be after the Millennium.

Agreed..

No - there will be people - saved and lost - during the Millennium.

Yes indeed and at the end of the 1000 years satan will be released from the bottomless pit to go out and decieve many in the world and lead them to rebel against Jerusalem and the camp of the Saints and God will destroy them with fire.. All you have to do is read the book of revelation chapter 19 and 20 to know the cronology of the mellenium and what happens before it and what happens at it's end..

No - at that time, there will still be "future" souls - from the Millennium - to be judged in the final Judgment.

Indeed the second reasurection is when most of the souls of this world will be judged.. Only true Christians will take part in the first reasurection and of course their judgement will only include rewards and eternal life with The Lord Jesus..

 

[Adstar]

My concern is that every major protestant church (except one or two) has swalled the futurist or preterist method, hook line and sinker.

The whole doctrine of the secret rapture is a result of the futurist method and millions follow it. And futurism was INVENTED by a Jesuit with the purpose of changing the way people interpret prophecy...

The rapture issue is a totally different area to the futurist beliefs.. I am mostly a futurist but i do not believe in the pre-tribulation rapture.. So they do not nessecaraly go hand in hand..

 

[TMS]

No - at that time, there will still be "future" souls - from the Millennium - to be judged in the final Judgment.

This is a futuristic teaching
But is not in line with the bible.

Jesus's blood can only cover our sins while He is high priest. Probation will close when Jesus stop mediating for us.
He will come as a king not as a priest.

1Jn 2:1-2
1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: 2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

Rev 14:7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

Rev 22:11-12
11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still. 12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

 

[TMS]

When Jesus come to raise the saints there is no changing of sides....

The just remain just and the unjust remain unjust.

Judgement may still happen in regards the punishment of the unjust but the unjust will not become saved after this time.
Jesus has ceased to offer His blood. Probation has closed.

 

[Melach]

PRAETERIST
The Praeterist maintains that the prophecies in Revelation have already been fulfilled-- that they refer chiefly to the triumph of Christianity over Judaism and paganism, signalized in the downfall of Jerusalem and of Rome.

FUTURIST
The Futurist interpreters refer all the books of Revelation, except the first three chapters, to events which are yet to come.

HISTORICISM
The Historical interpretation believes the Revelation a progressive history of the church from the first century to the end of time.

i would say historicism makes the most sense. but the issue with that is that people always view things differently. if you compare the reformers for example, some would say X means turkish invasion of europe, and then another man may say it means something else.

but to me the historicism not only makes the most sense logically but God seems to work that way in general, long view. sometimes the difference between the second and first coming is a comma😊

problem with preterism is that it makes the book nothing but history. problem with futurism is it makes the book of no value to anyone in history.

 

[GWH]

I am a Paulinist regarding every doctrine he addressed, and his eschatology is found mainly in two passages:

1CR 15:50-57 says that the trumpet will sound and immediately the dead will be raised with immortal bodies and

1THS 4:14-5:3 says that Jesus will return from heaven with those who were saved and meet in the air those saints who are alive as they are raptured and immortalized. This event will occur unexpectedly, "like a thief in the night" (cf. MT 24:36-44).

The events in RV are next to impossible to jibe with Paul's teaching, so I hold the various interpretation of them very lightly.

 

[homwardbound]

Better that we do our own research and hold our conclusions lightly, being able to defend them but having no inclination to vehemence.

Agreed, a personal search, to hear God and Son as Won for its to be new in love and mercy to all over the few evil flesh still does, at least this to me I now see
God loves us all y'all
Otherwise, I do not think Son would have gone to that cross, do you? Or be risen from death, where I see personally is where new life in God's Spirit and Truth resides John 4:23-24
I can only share what I see in my personal growth between God and me, as I go through troubles also.
Acceptance is a key to the open door of God to us all, through the cross in his resurrection to me thanks, just sharing what I see, if no others see it, okay, it is ultimately between God you personally, everything else is dung to me, hoping the best for all

 

[homwardbound]

The true source is the bible alone
salvation is through Jesus alone

But I was asking through which method people are interpreting prophecy.

When people interpret prophecy through the wrong method, they are building on a foundation of sand. It will lead to error and take people away from the truth.

The truth will set you free.

Thank you It is the risen Jesus alone that gets anyone in to have a relationship of Love to all from their new heart given them by God, not anyone else is what I see, thanks

 

[GWH]

Agreed, a personal search, to hear God and Son as Won for its to be new in love and mercy to all over the few evil flesh still does, at least this to me I now see
God loves us all y'all
Otherwise, I do not think Son would have gone to that cross, do you? Or be risen from death, where I see personally is where new life in God's Spirit and Truth resides John 4:23-24
I can only share what I see in my personal growth between God and me, as I go through troubles also.
Acceptance is a key to the open door of God to us all, through the cross in his resurrection to me thanks, just sharing what I see, if no others see it, okay, it is ultimately between God you personally, everything else is dung to me, hoping the best for all

I think every Christian should also be a Paulinist regarding every doctrine he addressed, including eschatology. Then everyone who makes understanding RV a big deal will accompany me in the misery of jibing it with these passages:

1CR 15:50-57, which says that the trumpet will sound and immediately the dead will be raised with immortal bodies, and

1THS 4:14-5:3, which says that Jesus will return from heaven with those who were saved and meet in the air those saints who are alive as they are raptured and immortalized. This event will occur unexpectedly, "like a thief in the night" (cf. MT 24:36-44).

Good luck! :^)

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

I think every Christian should also be a Paulinist regarding every doctrine he addressed, including eschatology. Then everyone who makes understanding RV a big deal will accompany me in the misery of jibing it with these passages:

1CR 15:50-57, which says that the trumpet will sound and immediately the dead will be raised with immortal bodies, and

1THS 4:14-5:3, which says that Jesus will return from heaven with those who were saved and meet in the air those saints who are alive as they are raptured and immortalized. This event will occur unexpectedly, "like a thief in the night" (cf. MT 24:36-44).

Good luck! :^)

Easy. Revelation says when the 7th trumpet (the last trumpet) begins to blow the mystery of God will be complete. Paul said the mystery of God is Christ in the gentiles built into a holy temple. So when the last living stone is placed in the temple (mystery of God complete) the last trumpet will sound and Christ will return with his resurrected saints