Understanding God’s election
- Thread starter dougcho
- Start date
-
Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.
If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!
To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
One word. RIDICULOUS. Good Lord. There is no "paradox" in His salvation message to ALL OF MANKIND.
We are fallen. We Are without hope.........That is why He sent Himself to mankind.
And Because He is so much bigger than your theology.........You can't SEE that HE is for ALL of mankind.
And that is what Calvinism/reformed theology is......One great paradox for man......except for His SPECIAL little chosen ones.
I am like any other man, not special in myself, I just believed in Him.
I am just a believer like anybody else.........You're on a pedestal as one of the SPECIAL elect.
We are fallen. We Are without hope.........That is why He sent Himself to mankind.
And Because He is so much bigger than your theology.........You can't SEE that HE is for ALL of mankind.
And that is what Calvinism/reformed theology is......One great paradox for man......except for His SPECIAL little chosen ones.
I am like any other man, not special in myself, I just believed in Him.
I am just a believer like anybody else.........You're on a pedestal as one of the SPECIAL elect.
Anyone can profane what holy. Anyone can pervert what is good. Thus the principle stated in the admonition in Eccl 7:18 to avoid all extremes. Do you think Paul had good, mushy, flattering , self-aggrandizing, self-exalting feelings about himself when he struggled with sin (Rom 7:21-25)!? The more sensitive and pliable a believer's conscience is, the more he will loathe himself! But it appears you have never experienced this. Are you in perpetual feel good mode, as most of the religious elites of Jesus' day were?
-
1
-
1
- Show all
That was my point your god did set the limitations and created this fallen incapacitated human nature.
And if he did he is culpable no matter how much it is stated he is not, he created the fallen nature to be that way, it didn't happen by accident.
It must be accepted that the nature of fallen man as described by the doctrine you hold is what God created, it did come by on its own.
God did not think ...... "Oppsies how did that happen?"
This means that God is responsible for man's inabilities, his slavery to sin and the rest of the list because he created fallen man that way.
This dogma is so desperate to make mankind born incapacitated to believe it ultimately removes God's free will.
But the logical consequences are a bitter pill.
You will not be persuaded, but if you understood nuance you would know there is a big difference between being in control and controlling.
And if he did he is culpable no matter how much it is stated he is not, he created the fallen nature to be that way, it didn't happen by accident.
It must be accepted that the nature of fallen man as described by the doctrine you hold is what God created, it did come by on its own.
God did not think ...... "Oppsies how did that happen?"
This means that God is responsible for man's inabilities, his slavery to sin and the rest of the list because he created fallen man that way.
This dogma is so desperate to make mankind born incapacitated to believe it ultimately removes God's free will.
But the logical consequences are a bitter pill.
You will not be persuaded, but if you understood nuance you would know there is a big difference between being in control and controlling.
Great proof text! That one had actually slipped this old mind. 
And, no, I don't unless God acts upon their minds and souls. Freewillers are too self-absorbed, too self-centered, too self-loving, too prideful, too self-aggrandizing and last but not least TOO SELF-RIGHTEOUS and Pharisaical to accept the passage.
And, no, I don't unless God acts upon their minds and souls. Freewillers are too self-absorbed, too self-centered, too self-loving, too prideful, too self-aggrandizing and last but not least TOO SELF-RIGHTEOUS and Pharisaical to accept the passage.-
1
- Show all
Yes.... Eternally at ease and celibate without stress.
Or, more like boys and girls in elementary school could like the opposite sex, but not desire sexually.
Just happy to be in each other's company.
Yet! Still male and female.
And, it was just not "just like the angels."
Jesus specified which angels.
For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage but are like angels in heaven."
Matthew 22:30
Only God's angels are not given in marriage. For there is a love in heaven that is greater then anything
we can experience on earth.
In the mean while... Satan and his angels are riddled with lusts which resulted in perverse desire.
As seen in Genesis 6, angels were originally created to be able to sexually reproduce. Then denied.
First gay marriages originated with fallen angels craving to replicate the kind of relationship they craved
as they observed men and women involved in deep love.
They are extremely jealous of such marriages which they are unable to have. They hate good marriages.
So be it!
Or, more like boys and girls in elementary school could like the opposite sex, but not desire sexually.
Just happy to be in each other's company.
Yet! Still male and female.
And, it was just not "just like the angels."
Jesus specified which angels.
For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage but are like angels in heaven."
Matthew 22:30
Only God's angels are not given in marriage. For there is a love in heaven that is greater then anything
we can experience on earth.
In the mean while... Satan and his angels are riddled with lusts which resulted in perverse desire.
As seen in Genesis 6, angels were originally created to be able to sexually reproduce. Then denied.
First gay marriages originated with fallen angels craving to replicate the kind of relationship they craved
as they observed men and women involved in deep love.
They are extremely jealous of such marriages which they are unable to have. They hate good marriages.
So be it!