Understanding God’s election
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Your view is somewhat at odds with the Scriptural view, since God put the responsibility on Adam for sin
and death entering the world. But you are correct to say the consequence was imposed by God. He told
Adam what it would be and Adam sinned wilfully. I find it somewhat odd that you seem to think this
poses some kind of insurmountable conundrum when God has already taken responsibility and gave
His Son to become sin for us that we may escape the second death by grace through faith in the shed
righteous blood of Jesus Christ, Who was purposed from before the foundation of the world. This does
not absolve man of his responsibility. You are simply mistaken. Just as God allowed Satan to bedevil Job,
God has allowed Satan to sift us like wheat that the chaff may be removed.
and death entering the world. But you are correct to say the consequence was imposed by God. He told
Adam what it would be and Adam sinned wilfully. I find it somewhat odd that you seem to think this
poses some kind of insurmountable conundrum when God has already taken responsibility and gave
His Son to become sin for us that we may escape the second death by grace through faith in the shed
righteous blood of Jesus Christ, Who was purposed from before the foundation of the world. This does
not absolve man of his responsibility. You are simply mistaken. Just as God allowed Satan to bedevil Job,
God has allowed Satan to sift us like wheat that the chaff may be removed.
Only a babe in Christ or a carnal believer would say this. There is absolutely no worry,fear, guilt or any type of SELF loathing in the Christian way of life.
Philippians 4:11-13
Not that I am speaking of being in need, for I have learned in whatever situation I am to be content. I know how to be brought low, and I know how to abound. In any and every circumstance, I have learned the secret of facing plenty and hunger, abundance and need. I can do all things through him who strengthens me.
2 Corinthians 12:9
But he said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore I will boast all the more gladly of my weaknesses, so that the power of Christ may rest upon me.
That is why the "doctrines of Grace" from the calvies is bogus. Biblical Grace would never lead a believer to even contemplate "self loathing."
Philippians 4:11-13
Not that I am speaking of being in need, for I have learned in whatever situation I am to be content. I know how to be brought low, and I know how to abound. In any and every circumstance, I have learned the secret of facing plenty and hunger, abundance and need. I can do all things through him who strengthens me.
2 Corinthians 12:9
But he said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore I will boast all the more gladly of my weaknesses, so that the power of Christ may rest upon me.
That is why the "doctrines of Grace" from the calvies is bogus. Biblical Grace would never lead a believer to even contemplate "self loathing."
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No one comes to Jesus unless the Father draws him.(to Jesus)
And Jesus says He will raise those ones up on the last day.
Which means those who are called remain in Jesus so to be raised up on the last day.
John 6:44 (NET)
No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day.
John 6:37-39
New English Translation
37 Everyone whom the Father gives me will come to me, and the one who comes to me I will never send away.[a] 38 For I have come down from heaven not to do my own will but the will of the one who sent me. 39 Now this is the will of the one who sent me—that I should not lose one person of every one he has given me, but raise them all up[b] at the last day.
Footnotes
John 6:37-39
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37 All pas that hos the ho Father patēr gives didōmi me egō will come hēkō to pros me egō, and kai anyone ho who comes erchomai to pros me egō I will never ou mē turn ekballō away exō. 38 For hoti I have come katabainō down from apo · ho heaven ouranos, not ou to hina do poieō · ho my own emos will thelēma · ho but alla to do the ho will thelēma of ho him who sent pempō me egō. 39 And de this houtos is eimi the ho will thelēma of the ho one who sent pempō me egō: that hina of all pas that hos he has given didōmi me egō I should lose apollymi none mē but alla raise anistēmi them autos up on en the ho last eschatos day hēmera.
John 5
John 7
And Jesus says He will raise those ones up on the last day.
Which means those who are called remain in Jesus so to be raised up on the last day.
John 6:44 (NET)
No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day.
John 6:37-39
New English Translation
37 Everyone whom the Father gives me will come to me, and the one who comes to me I will never send away.[a] 38 For I have come down from heaven not to do my own will but the will of the one who sent me. 39 Now this is the will of the one who sent me—that I should not lose one person of every one he has given me, but raise them all up[b] at the last day.
Footnotes
- John 6:37 tn Or “drive away”; Grk “cast out.”
- John 6:39 tn Or “resurrect them all,” or “make them all live again”; Grk “raise it up.” The word “all” is supplied to bring out the collective nature of the neuter singular pronoun αὐτό (auto) in Greek. The plural pronoun “them” is used rather than neuter singular “it” because this is clearer in English, which does not use neuter collective singulars in the same way Greek does.
John 6:37-39
Mounce Reverse Interlinear New Testament
37 All pas that hos the ho Father patēr gives didōmi me egō will come hēkō to pros me egō, and kai anyone ho who comes erchomai to pros me egō I will never ou mē turn ekballō away exō. 38 For hoti I have come katabainō down from apo · ho heaven ouranos, not ou to hina do poieō · ho my own emos will thelēma · ho but alla to do the ho will thelēma of ho him who sent pempō me egō. 39 And de this houtos is eimi the ho will thelēma of the ho one who sent pempō me egō: that hina of all pas that hos he has given didōmi me egō I should lose apollymi none mē but alla raise anistēmi them autos up on en the ho last eschatos day hēmera.
John 5
John 7
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God didn't create the fallen nature. If he had, then it could not be said in the creation account that all he created was "very good". The fallen nature resulted because of Adam's sin -- not God's sin! This is not to say that God didn't create the "very good" Adam with the moral/spiritual, psychological, physiological capacity for DEATH (and all that that entails) that would bring great harm upon himself and all his progeny, but God didn't cause Adam to sin even though Adam could not have sinned unless God decreed it, which would even be the case with God's "permissive" will. If God had "forced" A & E to sin, neither of them would have felt genuine guilt, shame and fear after they sinned. Why would they? Or do you think God duped or programmed that kind of response into them. Is there any limit you won't go in order to exalt fallen mankind who Jesus characterized as EVIL!?
The reason you refuse to acknowledge what all the terrible effects of DEATH are that rendered man helpless and hopeless is because you don't see yourself this way, plus you can still push the really stupid alternative that God created "robots" if man doesn't have freewill and the ability to make choices contrary to his nature. This is the way to keep the dumb robot narrative alive. Well...here's a newsflash for you, lady: God cannot will himself to sin, so I suppose you must think God is a robot as well!
Tell me, madam, do you think Abimilech was a created robot because God restrained ("forced") this pagan king from violating Sarah?
The reason you refuse to acknowledge what all the terrible effects of DEATH are that rendered man helpless and hopeless is because you don't see yourself this way, plus you can still push the really stupid alternative that God created "robots" if man doesn't have freewill and the ability to make choices contrary to his nature. This is the way to keep the dumb robot narrative alive. Well...here's a newsflash for you, lady: God cannot will himself to sin, so I suppose you must think God is a robot as well!
Tell me, madam, do you think Abimilech was a created robot because God restrained ("forced") this pagan king from violating Sarah?