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Once we are saved we are righteous in God's eyes.He see's Jesus's PERFECT life when he looks at us.When you truly understand God's grace and do not live an sin concious life you will truly be free to serve God out of LOVE.....Death to legalism
 
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Once we are saved we are righteous in God's eyes.He see's Jesus's PERFECT life when he looks at us.When you truly understand God's grace and do not live an sin concious life you will truly be free to serve God out of LOVE.....Death to legalism
While I take no issue with imputed righteousness, to me, true freedom is when God has delivered you from something that you had been wrestling with a while that you knew both in your heart and from the Scriptures that it was wrong. Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to devalue the relief we feel when God lifts a heavy burden off of our conscience (usually through repentance). However, when you have actually been delivered from something.... I wish all believers could understand and experience this for themselves. You begin walking in a level of faith that few ever experience.
 
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I had a beuatiful nights rest and even in my dreams I spend time withthe Lord. Thank You Jesus, that you spend ALL this time with me. Lord Jesus, thank You for Your Truth and Your Faithfulness, Thank You For your Love and patience. Thank You for Your Grace and Blessings. Thank You Jesus, that You are my savour and THat Your Salvation is one that brings PEACE that I cannot even contemplate.

Lord I look at the people that You send here to CC and I read what they write, and Itry to know their hearts and where is their loyalty, and I am baffled, that this filthy Cobus, has more love in him than ANY of these strifers! Beit not Yet the Love that You showed, but why am I hurt when I see these posts? Why do I even still come here, when I LOVE being with You? Lord I do NOT see You here, but Jesus, if I read my Bible, and I sit at my desk, and spend time with ANY person you let into the shop, then I KNOW YOU ARE THERE, Why are you NOT here Lord? Amen!
 
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What does that have to do with what I read and what translations I used?? Ummmm?
I read the KJV in English, but since I am Afrikaans my Bible is an Old Translation of the Original text and Canon books into the Afrikaans Language, printed in 1935.

I still have to find ANY Bible that actually gives us pewrmission to sin. ALL the ones I read thus far states the opposite... GO AND SIN NO MORE.... BE PERFECT AS THOU HEAVENLY FATHER IS PERFECT..Oh some Bibles soften the PUNCH, but the Truth still comes through... Jesus saves us FROM SIN, and from ALL UNRIGHTEOUSNESS. They ALL preach salvation is PERFECTION, Becasue Jesus is the savour.

If I were your savour, you CANNOT be perfect, but Jesus can on ly save to perfection... Jesus can only save ONE WAY...His way, and His way is perfection! Sorry, I cannot put it differently becasue Jesus said this..... WHOSOEVER (that is even me and you) IS BORN OF GOD SINNETH NOT... Do not try to change it, It CANNOT be changed, becasue it is the Truth... Only A FOOL TRY TO APPOSE JESUS! I will not even try!
 
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While I take no issue with imputed righteousness, to me, true freedom is when God has delivered you from something that you had been wrestling with a while that you knew both in your heart and from the Scriptures that it was wrong. Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to devalue the relief we feel when God lifts a heavy burden off of our conscience (usually through repentance). However, when you have actually been delivered from something.... I wish all believers could understand and experience this for themselves. You begin walking in a level of faith that few ever experience.
What makes you think all believers HAVN'T understood and experienced deliverence from a sinful life?
 
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I read the KJV in English, but since I am Afrikaans my Bible is an Old Translation of the Original text and Canon books into the Afrikaans Language, printed in 1935.

I still have to find ANY Bible that actually gives us pewrmission to sin. ALL the ones I read thus far states the opposite... GO AND SIN NO MORE.... BE PERFECT AS THOU HEAVENLY FATHER IS PERFECT..Oh some Bibles soften the PUNCH, but the Truth still comes through... Jesus saves us FROM SIN, and from ALL UNRIGHTEOUSNESS. They ALL preach salvation is PERFECTION, Becasue Jesus is the savour.

If I were your savour, you CANNOT be perfect, but Jesus can on ly save to perfection... Jesus can only save ONE WAY...His way, and His way is perfection! Sorry, I cannot put it differently becasue Jesus said this..... WHOSOEVER (that is even me and you) IS BORN OF GOD SINNETH NOT... Do not try to change it, It CANNOT be changed, becasue it is the Truth... Only A FOOL TRY TO APPOSE JESUS! I will not even try!
If this is true then why do you and every other human on earth SIN EVERY DAY?

Name me ONE human being who doesnt sin?
 
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Once we are saved we are righteous in God's eyes.He see's Jesus's PERFECT life when he looks at us.When you truly understand God's grace and do not live an sin concious life you will truly be free to serve God out of LOVE.....Death to legalism

Tell that to Judas: He might disagree! Your talking but I think your missing the whole point of the Gospel.
 
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Tell that to Judas: He might disagree! Your talking but I think your missing the whole point of the Gospel.
I didnt see anything wrong with the new guys post.

gentle...gentle Fencer.
 
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Strangelove here is ONE of MANY!!!!!...
And they chose Stephen, a man full of faith and of the Holy Ghost,....And all that sat in the council, looking stedfastly on him, saw his face as it had been the face of an angel..... But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God, ...And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.
Thank You Jesus that You are Faithful, You will do what You promise... Amen!
 
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if I can choose to make Jesus my focus over my sinful nature once. Might I do it twice?
why not 3 times?

what stops us from choosing Jesus over and over?

You are all right. We DO falter and sin, and we will be forgiven when we truly repent
for what we have done, because as the bible says, we are lowly sinners by nature.

But I have gone more than a day without sinning. I've gone a month (this I testify to the possibility,
for some say a day of sinlessness cannot be apprehended.) -let me put that to rest.

Now unfortunately I don't have any real christian fellowship here in real world.
I get taken away from my internet family fairly consistently and for extended periods of time,
where I am completely surrounded by family who have zero belief in God whatsoever.

Where just by getting enveloped in daily conversation with them this unruly tongue of mine sometimes goes astray,
or my focus goes fleshy because I lose my focus on God and focus on where the conversation goes outside of the protection of the Holy Spirit.
But If I can go a month choosing God every moment of each day- Like my life was a rented vehicle given to me, bought and paid for by Him.
Then might I go longer than a month?

if I only had a daily support system of true followers to inspire me and keep me grounded in the Lord, I wonder what could be accomplished

how will I ever see to remove that speck... If I can't even get this derned plank out of my eye?
I sure wish all this new wine had a new skin to fit in. I'm tired of it bursting.
this new creature that I am-surely better not make the same mistakes that old creature made.

I wonder what the math is in why I can stay in the safety of the Lord and dwell in His righteousness 5 times in a row and not that 6th time..
or up to that 10th time and not that 11th time... or maybe stay in the righteousness of Jesus 146 times and not that 147th time?

don't tell me its not possible to DENY my flesh. When my flesh says, watch that R rated movie, don't tell me I can't pick up the bible instead. When my flesh says "call that girl, you know the history you have with her" I KNOW I CAN choose to pray to the Lord about my day and stay with Him hour upon hour if I decide that its POSSIBLE to deny myself my sinful lusts. But I don't have a "CHURCH BODY" because they all believe I'm destined to fall short again and again. They say, "hey, you are saved regardless" just do your best, nothing can snatch you away from God" enjoy yourself :)
then why is it friends, THAT WHEN I AM THE PUREST IN MY SPIRIT TOWARD THE WILL OF GOD AND NOT MY CARNAL FLESH THAT I SEE MORE CLEARLY AND BECOME A BRIGHTER LIGHT FOR THE LOST? the evidence is in the fruit. We all have personal experience, if you don't- test it for yourself. Don't believe me or anyone else about anything, see for yourself and the verdict is in. God bless

ps, please don't say that I just said its through my works I'm saved, or anything I did... ALL I DID was count it as fact, that I BELONG TO JESUS and my sole purpose here, is to deny the things that I (personally) want (outside of the glory and will of our Father) so that I can see clearly enough to be that vessel of light for the lost children of our Lord. Because that is what GOD has called me to do and ALL of the ELECT to do.
again, God bless. and thanks for listening.
 
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Ah SOON Jesus said SOON...Thank you DEADTOSIN, and boy will you be nailed for this! No matter, did God not promise us that if we know Him in all our ways He will give us the desires of our hearts... No matter what...

I went to Jesus this morning, and He drew close to me... And I said..Lord what if I do what ZZ tells me to do? Jesus said... WHO IS ZZ? I said... Actually I do not know Lord, ZZ from CC Lord... Jesus said, who is ZZ?... I said ok Lord, I understand! Thank You I will listen to You. Amen!

Ah the crazy Cobus is hearing voices again! But is it voices of A VOICE... Did God not say HE DOES NOT KNOW THE SINNERS! Yep, so, let us go on, let us seek the righteousness of God! And after we found it, let HIM answer then.

We really tried to accomodate and be patient, but it is just a proof that the Truth does not waver, NOT A SECOND! We have been labled, accused, and blamed for things that is not true...Another proof....They will bring in FALSE witness against you, and they will lay things in your way to make you stumble... BUT WE unto them that brings the stumbling blocks...WOE UNTO THEM!.

And we are being accused of being hyocratical... A man like me, not labling a single person, becasue any lable i can think of I fit the same lable.. Are they not hypocrats... Saing they are savd, yet they DIE IN THEIR SIN! At least I say I AM DIENG in my sin, AND I AM NOT SAVED!!! Becasue I Know ALL SAVED PEOPLE ARE SAVED OUT OF SIN!!! not out of the guilt of sin,,,, out of ALL ABOUT SIN...Even the hold of SIN IS BROKEN!!! Jesus broke the WORKS of Satan to ALL He saved. Not some...ALL!!!!

Let me give you one verse and if this does not effect you, Please ask the Lord to also SAVE ME! PLEASE!!!! I want to be saved, not half-saved... This Gospel of...We will always be sinners... It is like giving a man a rope in the SEA when he is drowning, then you do not pull him from the water... You drag him bihind the ship to drown on the rope.... Man Jesus does not save like that... He reaches out, to Peter, and he LIFTS HIM OUT THE WATER and TOGETHER THEY WALK ON THE WATER BACK TO THE SHIP!!! Climb in the Ship and go to shore to NEVER BE IN THE WATER AGAIN!!!

There is many false Christs, only One TRULY saves you from ALL SIN! the one that does not want to do it, is the FALSE Christs!
I am not interested in them, and i used to be blinded by them, but the real one says...
He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
 
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ps, please don't say that I just said its through my works I'm saved, or anything I did... ALL I DID was count it as fact, that I BELONG TO JESUS and my sole purpose here, is to deny the things that I (personally) want (outside of the glory and will of our Father) so that I can see clearly enough to be that vessel of light for the lost children of our Lord. Because that is what GOD has called me to do and ALL of the ELECT to do.
again, God bless. and thanks for listening.


amen. :) we strive to shine the Light for all the lost children of God because of love for the Father and for the siblings wandering through the world.

however, the Spirit within you testifies with YOUR spirit that you ARE a child of God right?

I find this concerning. How can one speak with God and still say they are NOT saved?

I AM NOT SAVED!!!
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Cobus, Are you led by the Spirit of God?

IF yes then are you saying God lies when He makes this statement?

Romans 8:14-16
New King James Version (NKJV)
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God. 15 For you did not receive the spirit of bondage again to fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption by whom we cry out, “Abba, Father.” 16 The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God,
 
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Ananda, Those that are led by the Spirit... FOLLOW the Spirit! I do not follow the Spirit, that is why I sin! The Spirit does not lead into sin, He Leads OUT of sin! I am still PRACTISING to follow the Spirit. If I say the Spirit is not leading me I am lieing, butI am saying I do nt ALWAYS FOLLOW! if I say I do AGAIN I will lie!

Now this is important Ananda... Where is the Holy Spirit when I sin? In me? behind me, in front of me? or not even near me? If He is in front of me, HE LED ME INTO THE SIN! If He is behind me I LEAD Him into sin. If He is IN ME HE IS PARTAKING IN THE SIN! The only way I can sin is if the Holy Spirit SEPERATES Himself from me! Or I seperate myself from Him, is actually more the truth!

But He is VERY PATIENT and HE ALSO knows how it is to be tempted... That is why HE TEACHES ME!! When I go off, HE WILL WAIT RIGHT THERE WHERE I LEFT HIM.... Then I can FALL IN THE WAY again, and FOLLOW AGAIN AFTER HIM!

At this moment I am BACK IN LINE... And NOTING GOES WRONG... And sin is getting LESS and LESS, and SOON it will be NO MORE WONDERING off... THEN I will Follow Him to the cross and the BLOOD! And there I am justified, sanctified and glorified to be IN GOD! not behind any more but... IN GOD!

NAN... Look what Jesus says to Father.... I in them

This is HUGE... If Jesus is in me, how in this world can I sin? Impossible... Jesus did not say Father me in them and they in them... Nope Jesus in me!! When we are sanctified, wholly sanctified... soul spirit and body, GOD SEALS US IN HOLINESS... IN HIM.. HERE ON EARTH! Our spirits, when cleansed by the blood is now on the OTHER side of the cross, OUT OF SIN, and there God unite His Spirit with Yours, MAKING YOUR SPIRIT ALSO THE HOLY SPIRIT! ONE SPIRIT dear friend... Your Spirit and His Spirit is now ONE! That is why God says ALL who are IN HIM (on the other side of the cross) is ONE!!!

The Whole church of God has only ONE SPIRIT IN THE CHURCH! ONE! HIS! Dear friends ... There is only ONE HOLY SPIRIT! But HE can be in ten million, 1 billion bodies at the same time. He is God! He can be wherever HE WANTS TO BE, and He wants to be IN YOU... Go to Him and LET HIM IN, and you will be perfect! Amen!
 
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Ramon if Jesus is in you and He is in me, you think we can think different thoughts? Do you think one will sin and the other not? If Jesus is in TEN BILLION people, they will be ONE!!!! Perfectly ONE! And that is why they are ONE... Becasue HE IS ONE!!

Brother Ramon, do not be fooled by ANY ANGEL OR TEACHING... Be one With Jesus, BEFORE YOU REST AND SAY... I am saved! Be IN JESUS then be saved!
 

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I had a beuatiful nights rest and even in my dreams I spend time withthe Lord. Thank You Jesus, that you spend ALL this time with me. Lord Jesus, thank You for Your Truth and Your Faithfulness, Thank You For your Love and patience. Thank You for Your Grace and Blessings. Thank You Jesus, that You are my savour and THat Your Salvation is one that brings PEACE that I cannot even contemplate.

Lord I look at the people that You send here to CC and I read what they write, and Itry to know their hearts and where is their loyalty, and I am baffled, that this filthy Cobus, has more love in him than ANY of these strifers! Beit not Yet the Love that You showed, but why am I hurt when I see these posts? Why do I even still come here, when I LOVE being with You? Lord I do NOT see You here, but Jesus, if I read my Bible, and I sit at my desk, and spend time with ANY person you let into the shop, then I KNOW YOU ARE THERE, Why are you NOT here Lord? Amen!

Really Cobus? Really? You're not trying to know our hearts...you're trying to put more fuel on the fire.
 

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Strangelove here is ONE of MANY!!!!!...
And they chose Stephen, a man full of faith and of the Holy Ghost,....And all that sat in the council, looking stedfastly on him, saw his face as it had been the face of an angel..... But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God, ...And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.
Thank You Jesus that You are Faithful, You will do what You promise... Amen!
That doesn't prove a thing...it doesn't say he didn't sin
 
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Strangelove here is ONE of MANY!!!!!...
And they chose Stephen, a man full of faith and of the Holy Ghost,....And all that sat in the council, looking stedfastly on him, saw his face as it had been the face of an angel..... But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God, ...And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.
Thank You Jesus that You are Faithful, You will do what You promise... Amen!
Sorry no...doesnt say Stephen was perfectly sinless in thought and deed. Not even close.

You will have to try again.
 

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There is many false Christs, only One TRULY saves you from ALL SIN! the one that does not want to do it, is the FALSE Christs!
I am not interested in them, and i used to be blinded by them, but the real one says...
He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
I only know of one Christ. And His name is above all names....Jesus Christ. He Who is jealous for ME! ME! And He loves on me, no matter what. He tells me I'm His, even when I make mistakes. I fall again, and again, but I'm still His! I think we've all forgotten one verse:

John 3:16.

John 3:16

New American Standard Bible (NASB)

16 “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.