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My understanding they don't accept what Jesus said in Matthew and that he said in his name only.

They cannot find it. Father Son and Holy Spirit are titles and not a name.
Or maybe the Old debate about the original Gospel of Matthew was really written in Hebrew like Papias and Iraneus claim and the 28:19 only said in the Name of Jesus since that's what they did in Acts.

I am just throwing out things I have read and heard about this issue.
 

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Whether you say Father, Son and Holy Spirit or Yeshua/Jesus--has the same meaning IMO

And he will be called
Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
 

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No it's not. Modalism says that God manifests himself in different modes depending on the circumstances. That's not what I'm talking about. I asked you to define modalism earlier and you couldn't/wouldn't do it. Now you're trying to tell me what it is?
Modalism is a Christian theological belief that God is one person who appears in three different forms, or modes, rather than three distinct people. It's also known as Sabellianism or modalistic Monarchianism.
How it's taught
Modalism was first taught by Noetus of Smyrna in the second century.
Praxeas and Sabellius also taught modalism in Rome.
Adolf von Harnack coined the term "Modalism" in his 1897 book History of Dogma.
What it teaches
God is one person who manifests as the Father, Son, or Holy Spirit.
The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are not three distinct people, but rather three modes of God's activity.
The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are successive manifestations of God.
God's person is one and reveals himself to creation through different modes.
What it's compared to
Modalism is a form of Monarchianism, which is opposed to Trinitarianism.
Modalism is also known as Patripassianism because it implies that the Father suffered on the cross.
What it's associated with
Modalism is embraced by many groups in the United Pentecostal Church International (UPCI).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modalistic_Monarchianism

Sabellianism is a theological doctrine that teaches that God is one person who manifests in three aspects: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Sabellianism is also known as Modalism.
Aspects of Sabellianism
Unity of God
Sabellianism emphasizes that God is one person, and that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are different manifestations of that person.
No personal relationships
Sabellianism denies that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit have personal relationships with each other.
Three modes
Sabellianism teaches that God reveals himself in three modes, or aspects, which are the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
Analogy of the sun
Sabellius used the sun as an analogy for God's nature, suggesting that God has three powers like the sun: warmth, light, and circular form.
Three masks
Some Modalists suggested that God would put away the masks of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit after redemption and manifest himself as one person.
Sabellianism is considered heresy by most Christian groups that believe in Trinitarianism.
 

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The 3 aspects of God, the father, the son and the holy spirit always exist because they are one God. This is not modalism. Below is what modalism is.






https://carm.org/heresies/modalism/
Modalism states that God is a single person who, throughout biblical history, has revealed Himself in three modes or forms. Thus, God is a single person who first manifested himself in the mode of the Father in Old Testament times. At the incarnation, the mode was the Son; and after Jesus’ ascension, the mode is the Holy Spirit.
https://carm.org/heresies/modalism/
 

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Show me one instance in scripture in which the father appears in the form of a person. Show me one instance in scripture in which the holy spirit appears in the form of a person.
friend you are putting God in a box because he is spirit. A person does not have to be in a physical body. At the Baptism of Jesus, the Father spoke, and the Holy Spirit appeared in the form of a dove.

Go thru this outline to prove the Trinity is Biblical.
https://www.calvarychapelboston.com/Biblical Basis Trinity Bowman.pdf


Please, stop embarrassing yourself.
 

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In Daniel 7:13 the Ancient of Days is not described as a person; there is no form of a person. The only person is the son of man

The holy spirit at Jesus' baptism appeared as a dove, A dove is not a person. The father's voice was heard then, but no form of a person appeared because he is the invisible God

The tongues of fire at Pentecost were not a person
Daniel 7:13-14
Easy-to-Read Version
13 “In my vision at night I looked, and there in front of me was someone who looked like a human being. He was coming on the clouds in the sky. He came up to the Ancient King, and the King’s servants brought him before the King.

14 “The one who looked like a human being was given authority, glory, and complete ruling power. People from every nation and language group will serve him. His rule will last forever. His kingdom will continue forever. It will never be destroyed.

All descriptions of a human being.
 

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That's where the heresy of modalism gets its damnable quality, in order to hold to pernicion of the heresy and the cult that promotes it it has to start denying the persons of the Father and the Holy Spirit which is a super big mistake because that will end up in hellfire with a certainty. Alas we have simply circled back to the obvious points already made as easily predicted. You still got time though to reconsider before the long eternity. Learn what the trinity doctrine means by persons it seems is the main key point that you need to deliver you from the heresy of modalism to the verity of Christianity, which is the path to eternal life, praise Jesus.
One can not Blasphemy against a non-person.

The Bible verses that discuss blasphemy against the Holy Spirit are Matthew 12:31–32, Mark 3:29, and Luke 12:10.
Matthew 12:31–32
"I say to you, any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven people, but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven"
"Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come"
Mark 3:29
"Whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin"
Luke 12:10
May indicate that blasphemy against the Holy Spirit can occur when someone fails to confess Christ or offers an alternative perspective on who Jesus is
Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is also known as the unforgivable sin. It is an act of resistance that rejects the Holy Spirit's work and power, and cannot be forgiven.
 

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Sorry don't get what you are saying.

Oneness say you should be baptised in the name of Jesus only for the remission of sins, unless you do then your sins are not forgiven.

So my confusion here is that you are saying baptised in be name of the Father, Son Holy Spirit that we are baptised in the NAME which the disciples bapsties in the name.

They bapsited in the name of Jesus.
Last I checked it is by faith given grace that one is saved, not baptism. Eph 2:8-10
 

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Or maybe the Old debate about the original Gospel of Matthew was really written in Hebrew like Papias and Iraneus claim and the 28:19 only said in the Name of Jesus since that's what they did in Acts.

I am just throwing out things I have read and heard about this issue.
They wrote in the language of the Jews or something like that. Also, the old nonsense of Hebrew has been refuted by historians and linguists long ago.
 

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They wrote in the language of the Jews or something like that. Also, the old nonsense of Hebrew has been refuted by historians and linguists long ago.
I disagree because we do factually have the written statement by Papias and the documented version by Ireneaus, both to which are Disciples of the Apostle John the Beloved.
 

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I disagree because we do factually have the written statement by Papias and the documented version by Ireneaus, both to which are Disciples of the Apostle John the Beloved.
Did you read them in the orginal langues?
I disagree because we do factually have the written statement by Papias and the documented version by Ireneaus, both to which are Disciples of the Apostle John the Beloved.
here are the quotes:
Matthew composed the words in the Hebrew dialect, and each translated as he was able. (Papias, 150-170 CE, quoted by Eusebius, Eccl. Hist. 3:39)

Matthew also issued a written gospel among the Hebrews in their own dialect. (Ireneus, 170 CE, Against Heresies 3:1)

The dialect back then was Greek, some claim Aramaic.

Problem is, there are no Hebrew Manuscripts of Matthew to prove your claims.

The Shem Tov Matthew (or Shem Tob's Matthew) consists of a complete text of Gospel of Matthew in the Hebrew language found interspersed among anti-Catholic commentary in the 12th volume of a polemical treatise The Touchstone.

Papyrus 𝔓4, fragment of a flyleaf with the title of the Gospel of Matthew, ευαγγελιον κ̣ατ̣α μαθ᾽θαιον, euangelion kata Maththaion. Dated to late 2nd or early 3rd century, it is the earliest manuscript title for Matthew.

The rabbinical translations of Matthew are rabbinical versions of the Gospel of Matthew that are written in Hebrew; Shem Tob's Hebrew Gospel of Matthew, the Du Tillet Matthew, and the Münster Matthew, and which were used in polemical debate with Catholics.

These versions are to be distinguished from the Gospel of the Hebrews which was one or more works found in the Early Church, but surviving only as fragmentary quotations in Greek and Latin texts.

Some scholars consider all the rabbinical versions to be translated from the Greek or Latin of the canonical Matthew, for the purpose of Jewish apologetics.[1] This conclusion is not unanimous. Other scholars have provided linguistic and historic evidence of Shem Tov's Matthew coming from a much earlier Hebrew text that was later translated into Greek and other languages. Early Christian author Papias wrote around the year 100 that, "Matthew composed his history in the Hebrew language, and everyone translated it as he was able".[2][3]

https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/10057a.htm
often confused with
https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0848.htm
don't believe this
https://www.calledoutbelievers.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/Schonfield.pdf