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lil_christian

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Thats funny, Abraham was considered righteous. yet what does scripture say about him?

He cheated on his wife with their maid.

He laughed at God when God said Sarai would have a child.

He posed of his wife as his sister because he did not trust God to save her.

I am sure there were many other things he did.

what about David. A man God called his "friend"

He committed adultery many times over, (even though multiple marriages was seen as ok in Davids time, it was still a sin to have more than one wife) Not to mention the one he committed with another mans wife.

He committed murder.

two of the most heinous sins considered by most people. If we did not have scripture and know what God said about david. I bet most of these people would claim neither of these men were of God.
Very true! Forgot about those...wow it's amazing how one can forget about the basics.
 

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Phil 3: 12 Not that I have already attained, or am already perfected; but I press on, that I may lay hold of that for which Christ Jesus has also laid hold of me. 13 Brethren, I do not count myself to have apprehended; but one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind and reaching forward to those things which are ahead,

Here is a man who had already spent countless years being an apostle of God. Who had shown through miracles and signs, including speaking in tongues and prophesying, that from the time of his conversion, until he wrote these words, he had more of the power of the HS and more faith in this power and in God than most people will ever attain in their whole life. Saying he has yet to attain perfection. But he continued to run the race.

I doubt there are many, if at all, men or women on earth today who had the faith and power that Paul had up to this point in paul's life. And to think that anyone would claim to have more power than paul to be sinless is just laughable beyond all measure.

If Paul had not made it by this time in his life. There is no chance in Gods green Earth I have any hope of making it!
i guess i didn't see the sinless part in that post.
sigh.

oh well. i stand by what i said, and i'm so grateful Jesus is my High Priest, for no matter how long this life lasts, i will fall short, and do so daily.

there was only ONE WHO DIDN'T.
 

zone

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not sure if you are capable of a coherent sentence cobus, and the mysterious lingo is kind of fun i bet.
but let's be real clear - you would agree it is very serious, yes?

its a reasonably safe bet (though not 100% certain since for some reason you are a grown man chooses to talk baby talk), that ZZ at CC is me.

- anticipates standard "prophet's" response: why you think i say about you? you must feel convicted, etc.

reply -

you will agree, that whoever ZZ at CC is may be in a lot of trouble, since during your visit with Jesus this morning He said He does not know ZZ at CC.

i presume we are to extrapolate from this, using scripture that it is akin to "I never knew you", since the knowing means foreknowing, intimately, chosen.

so, ZZ at CC is in trouble, right Cobus? Jesus told you PERSONALLY that He doesn't know ZZ.

question:

is it important to tell ZZ who they are. since God wants to save people, shouldn't ZZ know they are not known by Jesus? so, though the 5 year old babbling is fun for you, do you have the courage to stand behind this claim you are making?

now your testimony of your visit with Jesus is no small matter, no sir. this is as serious as it gets.

if you are credible, you will stand behind what you have said Jesus told you personally.

put very very simply for you Cobus:

are you making the claim that you had a conversation with Jesus in which He told you He does not know me? (if there is another member that fits ZZ, perhaps they should be brought here to hear what Jesus told you about them).

your answer should be a clear YES OR NO.

this is an extremely serious matter cobus.

i'll wait for your answer.
zone.

COBUS?....
 
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i guess i didn't see the sinless part in that post.
sigh.

oh well. i stand by what i said, and i'm so grateful Jesus is my High Priest, for no matter how long this life lasts, i will fall short, and do so daily.

there was only ONE WHO DIDN'T.

Amen sis.

Its amazing that the men of scripture God uses to show us his power. and leaders of so many things are some of the worse sinners who ever lived. I think God had a reason for this. In fact he showed us this by going to the sinner while on earth, and not to the upstanding righteous people of the day. who most people would think a "king" would go visit, not the scum of the earth.

Yeah I called myself scum of the earth..lol Thats ok. I am scum saved by the grace of God, and scripture shows I am in good company
 

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Here, Zone...don't know what a "Rebith" is but oh well :p

I am finished, if you beieve IN Chrsit you cannot sin, becasue HE IS IN YOU. If you sin you are from the devil. If you want to argue more Go argue with God, He wrote that not me... I do not argue with God or the Word or even with you, I answerd you did not believe, so Sorry no more answers coming. Enjoy your sin, I did! but now I enjoy my salvation, and i am NOT interested in any other thatn the ONE MY JESUS gives.

I will read your posts but i will not reply, the Bible teaches, there comes a time when not responding is the best, that time is now for me. I will read and answer much more selectively. To argue this is a sin, and one I STOP right now!
May the Lord Jesus lead me on to my REBITH!
 

lil_christian

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wait....he meant rebirth I think...so scratch that
 

zone

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Here, Zone...don't know what a "Rebith" is but oh well :p

hmmmm.

well.

i guess i'm left to draw my own conclusions on the matter then.

i'll keep that to myself.
 
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hey I have a life, cool it! I am on AFRICA-Time... ZZ is my personal DEVIL!
Now that you want MY answer you all would propably again not believe me, or the Word I will post, but here goes for what it is worth.

I told you people that I healed sick people n the Name of Jesus. And I told you that I used to think like you that I will always be a sinner... And that Jesus did all on the cross. But that was a lie!!! A lie that you believe today. But since you people do not believe that I used to preach what you preach today, what is the use of explaining any further?

Everytime I open my heart and I am 100% humble and honest you would put out lables and false accusations, making assumtions and generilize. So I am not in the mood to talk to you any longer. I can tell you of how i healed people, on how I saw lights from heaven fall on people, on how water oozed from my hands, on how God spoke with my mouth, on how I went to South America and back in ten minutes, but all this will be laughed and scoffed at. And it wouldonly make you meanser than you already are, and ZZ would love if I waste more time on you, but the NEW JESUS in me says LET it go Cobus, they treated me far worse than you, and just you follow the LIGHT. So my dear friends, enjoy whatever it is you enjoy, I will enjoy the company of the Perfect men of GOD!

Zone you are a puppy, this ZZ is a Lion, that will eat you in a second! Did you ever tell me what to do? I cannot remember... If you did, I hope i oblidged becasue God said if you ask me to walk a mile with you, I should walk two, and you know i loive you enough to do so.

Please stop asking me questions except if you are really interested in the answer to help me reach my goal. If your input will deter me of what you all know very well I LONG for from God, ignore my posts. Cut me off from your attentions, I will answer only sincere questions that will build unity and holiness,,, Nothing else,
ZZ is the ZZZZZZZ Cobus soon, the DEAD Cobus,,,, the one that worked the iniquity. And let me assure you he put up a GREAT fight, And even the SHE in HIM like the eve of that ADAM will also DIE! There is place for only ONE in me... And that place is BOOKED by God For Christ Jesus!

Soon He will move in and REMAIN there, I know, becasue HE IS FAITHFUL~ Amen~!
 
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hey I have a life, cool it! I am on AFRICA-Time... ZZ is my personal DEVIL!
Now that you want MY answer you all would propably again not believe me, or the Word I will post, but here goes for what it is worth.

I told you people that I healed sick people n the Name of Jesus. And I told you that I used to think like you that I will always be a sinner... And that Jesus did all on the cross. But that was a lie!!! A lie that you believe today. But since you people do not believe that I used to preach what you preach today, what is the use of explaining any further?

Everytime I open my heart and I am 100% humble and honest you would put out lables and false accusations, making assumtions and generilize. So I am not in the mood to talk to you any longer. I can tell you of how i healed people, on how I saw lights from heaven fall on people, on how water oozed from my hands, on how God spoke with my mouth, on how I went to South America and back in ten minutes, but all this will be laughed and scoffed at. And it wouldonly make you meanser than you already are, and ZZ would love if I waste more time on you, but the NEW JESUS in me says LET it go Cobus, they treated me far worse than you, and just you follow the LIGHT. So my dear friends, enjoy whatever it is you enjoy, I will enjoy the company of the Perfect men of GOD!

Zone you are a puppy, this ZZ is a Lion, that will eat you in a second! Did you ever tell me what to do? I cannot remember... If you did, I hope i oblidged becasue God said if you ask me to walk a mile with you, I should walk two, and you know i loive you enough to do so.

Please stop asking me questions except if you are really interested in the answer to help me reach my goal. If your input will deter me of what you all know very well I LONG for from God, ignore my posts. Cut me off from your attentions, I will answer only sincere questions that will build unity and holiness,,, Nothing else,
ZZ is the ZZZZZZZ Cobus soon, the DEAD Cobus,,,, the one that worked the iniquity. And let me assure you he put up a GREAT fight, And even the SHE in HIM like the eve of that ADAM will also DIE! There is place for only ONE in me... And that place is BOOKED by God For Christ Jesus!

Soon He will move in and REMAIN there, I know, becasue HE IS FAITHFUL~ Amen~!
2 questions.

1. How can you talk to God when your not saved yet? If your not saved, your still dead to him, and he can not relate to those who are dead to him.

2. How can you heal people without the HS? if your not saved, and have not been "born again". you do not have the HS to even be given the power to heal.

so how do you expect any of us to give you any validity. when what you claim does not even line up with the word of God.
 

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hey I have a life, cool it! I am on AFRICA-Time... ZZ is my personal DEVIL!
Now that you want MY answer you all would propably again not believe me, or the Word I will post, but here goes for what it is worth.

I told you people that I healed sick people n the Name of Jesus. And I told you that I used to think like you that I will always be a sinner... And that Jesus did all on the cross. But that was a lie!!! A lie that you believe today. But since you people do not believe that I used to preach what you preach today, what is the use of explaining any further?
Cobus, you're acting prideful. Saying how you did this for Jesus, did that for Jesus...
 
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You said "ZZ" off of "CC"

I'm still confused...
i would think maybe CC does not mean Christian chat. But we see from this post it does. unless he changes his tune again

I had a beuatiful nights rest and even in my dreams I spend time withthe Lord. Thank You Jesus, that you spend ALL this time with me. Lord Jesus, thank You for Your Truth and Your Faithfulness, Thank You For your Love and patience. Thank You for Your Grace and Blessings. Thank You Jesus, that You are my savour and THat Your Salvation is one that brings PEACE that I cannot even contemplate.

Lord I look at the people that You send here to CC and I read what they write, and Itry to know their hearts and where is their loyalty, and I am baffled, that this filthy Cobus, has more love in him than ANY of these strifers! Beit not Yet the Love that You showed, but why am I hurt when I see these posts? Why do I even still come here, when I LOVE being with You? Lord I do NOT see You here, but Jesus, if I read my Bible, and I sit at my desk, and spend time with ANY person you let into the shop, then I KNOW YOU ARE THERE, Why are you NOT here Lord? Amen!
 

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i would think maybe CC does not mean Christian chat. But we see from this post it does. unless he changes his tune again
Yeah...I'm not being mean when I'm saying I'm confused! I'm thoroughly confused by what he means
 

zone

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Ah SOON Jesus said SOON...Thank you DEADTOSIN, and boy will you be nailed for this! No matter, did God not promise us that if we know Him in all our ways He will give us the desires of our hearts... No matter what...

I went to Jesus this morning, and He drew close to me... And I said..Lord what if I do what ZZ tells me to do? Jesus said... WHO IS ZZ? I said... Actually I do not know Lord, ZZ from CC Lord... Jesus said, who is ZZ?... I said ok Lord, I understand! Thank You I will listen to You. Amen!

Ah the crazy Cobus is hearing voices again! But is it voices of A VOICE... Did God not say HE DOES NOT KNOW THE SINNERS! Yep, so, let us go on, let us seek the righteousness of God! And after we found it, let HIM answer then.

We really tried to accomodate and be patient, but it is just a proof that the Truth does not waver, NOT A SECOND! We have been labled, accused, and blamed for things that is not true...Another proof....They will bring in FALSE witness against you, and they will lay things in your way to make you stumble... BUT WE unto them that brings the stumbling blocks...WOE UNTO THEM!.

And we are being accused of being hyocratical... A man like me, not labling a single person, becasue any lable i can think of I fit the same lable.. Are they not hypocrats... Saing they are savd, yet they DIE IN THEIR SIN! At least I say I AM DIENG in my sin, AND I AM NOT SAVED!!! Becasue I Know ALL SAVED PEOPLE ARE SAVED OUT OF SIN!!! not out of the guilt of sin,,,, out of ALL ABOUT SIN...Even the hold of SIN IS BROKEN!!! Jesus broke the WORKS of Satan to ALL He saved. Not some...ALL!!!!

THEN THIS?

hey I have a life, cool it! I am on AFRICA-Time... ZZ is my personal DEVIL!
Now that you want MY answer you all would propably again not believe me, or the Word I will post, but here goes for what it is worth.

I told you people that I healed sick people n the Name of Jesus. And I told you that I used to think like you that I will always be a sinner... And that Jesus did all on the cross. But that was a lie!!! A lie that you believe today. But since you people do not believe that I used to preach what you preach today, what is the use of explaining any further?

Everytime I open my heart and I am 100% humble and honest you would put out lables and false accusations, making assumtions and generilize. So I am not in the mood to talk to you any longer. I can tell you of how i healed people, on how I saw lights from heaven fall on people, on how water oozed from my hands, on how God spoke with my mouth, on how I went to South America and back in ten minutes, but all this will be laughed and scoffed at. And it wouldonly make you meanser than you already are, and ZZ would love if I waste more time on you, but the NEW JESUS in me says LET it go Cobus, they treated me far worse than you, and just you follow the LIGHT. So my dear friends, enjoy whatever it is you enjoy, I will enjoy the company of the Perfect men of GOD!

Zone you are a puppy, this ZZ is a Lion, that will eat you in a second! Did you ever tell me what to do? I cannot remember... If you did, I hope i oblidged becasue God said if you ask me to walk a mile with you, I should walk two, and you know i loive you enough to do so.

I PRESENTED YOU WITH THE BIBLICAL GOSPEL WHICH YOU APPARENTLY THEN ASKED JESUS SHOULD YOU DO IT? A SIMPLE REPENT OF YOUR UNBELIEF AND BELIEVE....AND HE SAID HE DOESN'T KNOW ME.

THAT'S WHAT YOU WROTE, THAT WAS YOUR INTENTION, AND THE CONTEXT OF THE REST OF YOUR POST MAKES IT CLEAR.

Please stop asking me questions except if you are really interested in the answer to help me reach my goal. If your input will deter me of what you all know very well I LONG for from God, ignore my posts. Cut me off from your attentions, I will answer only sincere questions that will build unity and holiness,,, Nothing else,
ZZ is the ZZZZZZZ Cobus soon, the DEAD Cobus,,,, the one that worked the iniquity. And let me assure you he put up a GREAT fight, And even the SHE in HIM like the eve of that ADAM will also DIE! There is place for only ONE in me... And that place is BOOKED by God For Christ Jesus!

Soon He will move in and REMAIN there, I know, becasue HE IS FAITHFUL~ Amen~!
oh cobus.
the man who loves more than all here at CC.
the only righteous man who knows how to be saved.

pulls this stunt and acts like a loony tune to get out of it.

your first post was what you meant.
your second is just a disgrace.

don't worry...i won't be HELPING you any more.
you dont want the Gospel.

i think you're a troll.
 
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ZZ is here on Christian chat, ZZ is my old self, I TOLD you many timjes I AM STILL HERE... Iam not like Saul that became PAUL YET!!! Man and i thought I was confused. It is both ZZ and the Comforter here in the room. You see the Holy Spirit keeps me calm, and the ZZ wants to swear at you and give you back what you so readily give out, but that is why I know ZZ is almost dead, He CANNOT break theough to harm any person here on CC, He is here let me assure ytou he is, but He is WEAK! Thank Jesus HE IS WEAK! I see a lot of ZZ's here and they are still very strong, but only in others. in me ZZ is almost ZZZZZ.. the deads old Cobus.

I wondere if God will permit the NEW Cobus to come here and talk to you people! I wonder, what do you think? Would Jesus come to CC and type to you?
 

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ZZ is here on Christian chat, ZZ is my old self, I TOLD you many timjes I AM STILL HERE... Iam not like Saul that became PAUL YET!!! Man and i thought I was confused. It is both ZZ and the Comforter here in the room. You see the Holy Spirit keeps me calm, and the ZZ wants to swear at you and give you back what you so readily give out, but that is why I know ZZ is almost dead, He CANNOT break theough to harm any person here on CC, He is here let me assure ytou he is, but He is WEAK! Thank Jesus HE IS WEAK! I see a lot of ZZ's here and they are still very strong, but only in others. in me ZZ is almost ZZZZZ.. the deads old Cobus.

I wondere if God will permit the NEW Cobus to come here and talk to you people! I wonder, what do you think? Would Jesus come to CC and type to you?

Why did ZZZZZ join at a later date than you did? Or wait....whhhaaaa???
 

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ZZ is here on Christian chat, ZZ is my old self, I TOLD you many timjes I AM STILL HERE... Iam not like Saul that became PAUL YET!!! Man and i thought I was confused. It is both ZZ and the Comforter here in the room. You see the Holy Spirit keeps me calm, and the ZZ wants to swear at you and give you back what you so readily give out, but that is why I know ZZ is almost dead, He CANNOT break theough to harm any person here on CC, He is here let me assure ytou he is, but He is WEAK! Thank Jesus HE IS WEAK! I see a lot of ZZ's here and they are still very strong, but only in others. in me ZZ is almost ZZZZZ.. the deads old Cobus.

I wondere if God will permit the NEW Cobus to come here and talk to you people! I wonder, what do you think? Would Jesus come to CC and type to you?

all that face-to-face time with Jesus and He didn't know about your personal devil/old self ZZ?

rubbish.

TROLL
 

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FIrst off, I think you all here have misunderstood Strangelove's point. What he means is that we are all human, we are all sinners we all make mistakes. We are all born with oringinal sin, the nature and desire to sin that is embedded in humanity from our first ancestors Adam and Eve.

Jesus Christ became the new Adam and suffered eath on the cross, the cross became the "tree of life" with Jesus' blood on it, and just as Adam brought death into the world Jesus brings life, eternal life. After we are saved the holy spirit lives in our hearts, minds and souls, we are a lot less likely to sin as we did before being saved, because we have the holy spirit in us and listen to the holy spirit.

But the fact remains we are still human, still in the flesh. Do you realize how many things considered minor and trivial are considered sins in the Bible?


THere are stuff in the old Testament that is obviously out dated that we have no need to use today. For example, the Jewish dietary, kosher laws, eating rabbits, pork, shellfish was forbidden. It was also forbidden under Old Testament law to sow your field with two different kinds of seed, or to wear clothing made from different kinds of fibers, so we would be great sinners for wearing cotton-polyeaster clothes. slavery was accepted in the bible, but usually it was like bondservitude. If the slave was Hebrew, his or her master, a fellow Hebrew had to let them go after 7 years of service. I f the slave was a foreigner, then they remained a slave all their life.


In the New Testament, women talking in church or preaching the gospel, well, according to Paul this is a sin. Women had to cover their heads, hair back then, for a woman to show her hair was considered a sin. Taking the Lord's name in vain, cursing, using profanity, thinking lustful thoughts, calling someone names, hating people and wanting to harm or kill them, greedy desiring something, coveting, which is wanting something somebody else has or that is in the store, something you don't need, making fun of people, playing games with witchcraft, being mean to animals, looking at porn, watching dirty movies, yelling at/being disrespectful of your parents, drinking too much alcohol, smoking cigarettes, having premarital/extra-marital sex, lying, telling crude, dirty jokes, all of these are sins that are considered minor, some people consider some worse than others, but doesn't God consider all sins the same? I have trouble with selfish ness, which is a sin, playing around when I should be working, laziness is also a sin. So is gluttony. I need to stop eating at night.

My point is, don't we all commit these sins sometime during the week?

We are saved by grace. I hope when you say "All CHristians must die" you are not talking literally. I hope you are not talking about suicide, because that is dangerous. Suicide is a major sin, you cannot take it back once you are dead. God gives us our lives as a gift, we do not have the right to take our own lives, only God can decide when it is time for us to leave this earth, He has in mind the right time to call us home. DOn't waste the life God gave you on Earth, spend it serving him, Jesus Christ came so that we may have abundtandt, joyful life. I was once suicidal, I go through depression and am taking medicine, seeing a psychiatrist and counselor for my mental problems. Like the Bible says, Jesus Christ is the "wonderful Counselor.
 
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Zone remember how far Jesus removes the old self from us? I do not even recognise my old self anymore... Zone, I do not know myself anymore... It is as though there is so many old Gone, I really have to think hard what the old Cobus was like...I do not know ZZ anymore, even though 1% 10% of him is still here? Jesus said of your sins I will think no more... Zone can it be that I am so far from my old self that I do not think of him anymore? And can it be that I am so close to God that I ONLY know holiness? Zone God said TO ME he does not know me even though I healed in the Name of Jesus...Matthew 7. And now I think I am so far from the old Cobus that I do not even know ZZ. And i mean this Zone... I really am crucifying the old Cobus. He wants me to stop and let him down from the cross, who else would you think would want to see the old Cobus rise again?