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NAN Jesus reighns over ALL his people even here on earth and EVERY cell in their bodies is undere His reighn. That is just how He does it. Every drop of blood every action and even every hair on those people are under God's control. All the NEW CREATURES IS JESUS AND THEY ARE IN HEAVEN! Right here amongst us!
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people do not BECOME GOD, or BECOME Jesus. they BECOME Christlike, there is a BIG difference.
some Scripture, because we kind of need it.
1 Peter 4
7 But the end of all things is at hand; therefore be serious and watchful in your prayers. 8 And above all things have fervent love for one another, for “love will cover a multitude of sins.”[c] 9 Be hospitable to one another without grumbling. 10 As each one has received a gift, minister it to one another, as good stewards of the manifold grace of God. 11 If anyone speaks, let him speak as the oracles of God. If anyone ministers, let him do it as with the ability which God supplies, that in all things God may be glorified through Jesus Christ, to whom belong the glory and the dominion forever and ever. Amen.
some Scripture, because we kind of need it.
1 Peter 4
7 But the end of all things is at hand; therefore be serious and watchful in your prayers. 8 And above all things have fervent love for one another, for “love will cover a multitude of sins.”[c] 9 Be hospitable to one another without grumbling. 10 As each one has received a gift, minister it to one another, as good stewards of the manifold grace of God. 11 If anyone speaks, let him speak as the oracles of God. If anyone ministers, let him do it as with the ability which God supplies, that in all things God may be glorified through Jesus Christ, to whom belong the glory and the dominion forever and ever. Amen.
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The problem is God does not place us under law AFTER he gave us a new slate. Yet according to you he did.
I can only think of what paul said.
Gal 3: 2 - 4 This only I want to learn from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?— Are you so foolish? "Having begun in the Spirit, are you now being made perfect by the flesh? Have you suffered so many things in vain—if indeed it was in vain?
Paul makes it clear. those who try to be perfected by obeying the law and the commands are fools.
I can only think of what paul said.
Gal 3: 2 - 4 This only I want to learn from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?— Are you so foolish? "Having begun in the Spirit, are you now being made perfect by the flesh? Have you suffered so many things in vain—if indeed it was in vain?
Paul makes it clear. those who try to be perfected by obeying the law and the commands are fools.
It is wierd you would post this scripture as it disproves your beloved doctrine of OSAS
This verse has nothing to do with not living a sinless life. It is about not have endured until the end yet thereby obtaining the resurrection of the just, and the reason Paul had yet to do this is because he was still alive. You cannot endure until the end before the end has come
This verse has nothing to do with not living a sinless life. It is about not have endured until the end yet thereby obtaining the resurrection of the just, and the reason Paul had yet to do this is because he was still alive. You cannot endure until the end before the end has come
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No actually it proves it.
1. Paul claimed he was Justified/
2. Paul claimed he was sealed by the spirit of promise who is the guarantee of his inheritance.
3. Paul claimed he was saved, not according to his works. But because of Christ.
And here we have paul claiming he had not reached perfectionism as you claim we must do.
Try again!
Um, Endure to the end is not a gospel saying. it is living until the end of the tribulation period.
Again read my three points above. Paul would not claim he had ALL THOSE THINGS, if he did not think he already HAD eternal life based on justification.
Justification is a declared innocence it is our position on Christ. Sanctification is our condition on earth. Glorification is when our sanctification (condition) will = our justification (position) and does not happen until we are ressurected.
Your ccntinued taking the words of Christ out of context to prove your works based pharaseeical gospel does not help you any.
1. Paul claimed he was Justified/
2. Paul claimed he was sealed by the spirit of promise who is the guarantee of his inheritance.
3. Paul claimed he was saved, not according to his works. But because of Christ.
And here we have paul claiming he had not reached perfectionism as you claim we must do.
Try again!
Um, Endure to the end is not a gospel saying. it is living until the end of the tribulation period.
Again read my three points above. Paul would not claim he had ALL THOSE THINGS, if he did not think he already HAD eternal life based on justification.
Justification is a declared innocence it is our position on Christ. Sanctification is our condition on earth. Glorification is when our sanctification (condition) will = our justification (position) and does not happen until we are ressurected.
Your ccntinued taking the words of Christ out of context to prove your works based pharaseeical gospel does not help you any.
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The law says if you are not sinless, You can not make it to heaven.
That is exactly what you are claiming. It is not a strawman, it is a fact. You just do not want to see it.
Also as usual. You do not even respond to the verse. Now who is using a strawman by refusing to look at the verse which proved my point? and just stating I am wrong.
That is exactly what you are claiming. It is not a strawman, it is a fact. You just do not want to see it.
Also as usual. You do not even respond to the verse. Now who is using a strawman by refusing to look at the verse which proved my point? and just stating I am wrong.
Jesus, Paul, and John also said live sinlessly. Did they teach the Law or Grace?
I did not respond to your verse because it is irrelevant. I have not seen one person suggest we should continue in the flesh rather than the Spirit.
Romans 8
1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
I did not respond to your verse because it is irrelevant. I have not seen one person suggest we should continue in the flesh rather than the Spirit.
Romans 8
1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
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The concept of dying to one's own self is directly linked to what Jesus referred to as the greatest commandment. We are to love the Lord with all of our heart, soul, mind and strength. We are to also love one another as we love ourselves.
There some who think that this is the ultimate goal of dying to self, that we have to die to self in order to love God and others in this manner. That's not true.
Loving God and loving others before yourself is they key to unlocking death to self. When we love God and love others in this manner, dying to self comes naturally. Will you stumble into selfishness (the root of all sin) at times? Yes. Sometimes without realizing it but it will be our love for God and others that will convict us to repent of our shortcomings.
The concept is pretty simple and entirely Scriptural. It is one of the foundations that Jesus built his ministry upon during his stay here on earth.
There some who think that this is the ultimate goal of dying to self, that we have to die to self in order to love God and others in this manner. That's not true.
Loving God and loving others before yourself is they key to unlocking death to self. When we love God and love others in this manner, dying to self comes naturally. Will you stumble into selfishness (the root of all sin) at times? Yes. Sometimes without realizing it but it will be our love for God and others that will convict us to repent of our shortcomings.
The concept is pretty simple and entirely Scriptural. It is one of the foundations that Jesus built his ministry upon during his stay here on earth.
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The said no such thing. They said change your life. If they demanded that we live sinless. then thay taught law. Plain and simple. Scripture was not written in English. A few poorly translated passages does not make you right/. Try studying the origional text. you will see it is true!
John definately did not teach it. He said if we say we do not have present active sin in our life we are liars.
Again/. Do i trust John. or you?
You do every time you say we must be sinless. Your returning to law. paul called trying to live by the law living by the flesh.
The part in blue is missing from most manuscripts and should not be trusted. Especially since Paul states otherwise in other areas of romans and his other letters.
Even if it is included. Those who have faith do walk after the spirit;. if they do not. As james said they had no faith. Paul does not claim sinless perfection in romans 8. For he makes it clear in corinthians, if we (those who are saved) look at the spirit. we will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh. He makes it clear. WE (those of us hwo are saved) can chose to walk after the flesh and sin, If we can do this, We are not perfect!
You can keep trying if you want. It is easy refuting your words with scripture. Your a pharisee, and you will suffer the same fate of the pharisees if you do not find Gods grace.
And you just proved. those trying to live by law are living by flesh.
John definately did not teach it. He said if we say we do not have present active sin in our life we are liars.
Again/. Do i trust John. or you?
You do every time you say we must be sinless. Your returning to law. paul called trying to live by the law living by the flesh.
The part in blue is missing from most manuscripts and should not be trusted. Especially since Paul states otherwise in other areas of romans and his other letters.
Even if it is included. Those who have faith do walk after the spirit;. if they do not. As james said they had no faith. Paul does not claim sinless perfection in romans 8. For he makes it clear in corinthians, if we (those who are saved) look at the spirit. we will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh. He makes it clear. WE (those of us hwo are saved) can chose to walk after the flesh and sin, If we can do this, We are not perfect!
You can keep trying if you want. It is easy refuting your words with scripture. Your a pharisee, and you will suffer the same fate of the pharisees if you do not find Gods grace.
And you just proved. those trying to live by law are living by flesh.