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Why do you have a photograph of Peter Sellers on your threads?
Why do you keep switching your national flags every so often?

Why do you lie to the forum by using the username Scott1960, when its not your real name?

And whats all this got to do with the topic?
 
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Scotth1960

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Why do you lie to the forum by using the username Scott1960, when its not your real name?

And whats all this got to do with the topic?
Scotth is my real name. It's an abbreviation for my real name, Scott Harrington. 1960 is my year of birth.

Why do you avoid answering my legitimate questions, by asking me non sequitur questions? Why are you avoiding the answers? If you're suggesting everything other people believe must be backed up by Scripture, where does Scripture tell you to represent yourself as Peter Sellers, or change national flags so often?
It speaks to your lack of credibility in other things you say.

Dear strangelove. Don't accuse me of lying. Scotth is no lie. It's an abbreviation for my name. That you are Peter Sellers is not true! Look at your own conduct first before you criticize mine, thank you!
 
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Scotth is my real name. It's an abbreviation for my real name, Scott Harrington. 1960 is my year of birth.

Why do you avoid answering my legitimate questions, by asking me non sequitur questions? Why are you avoiding the answers? If you're suggesting everything other people believe must be backed up by Scripture, where does Scripture tell you to represent yourself as Peter Sellers, or change national flags so often?
It speaks to your lack of credibility in other things you say.

Dear strangelove. Don't accuse me of lying. Scotth is no lie. It's an abbreviation for my name. That you are Peter Sellers is not true! Look at your own conduct first before you criticize mine, thank you!
Scott1960 is not your real name. Please adjust it in the control panel, edit details page to more honestly reflect the name your parents gave you.
 
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Scotth is my real name. It's an abbreviation for my real name, Scott Harrington. 1960 is my year of birth.

Why do you avoid answering my legitimate questions, by asking me non sequitur questions? Why are you avoiding the answers? If you're suggesting everything other people believe must be backed up by Scripture, where does Scripture tell you to represent yourself as Peter Sellers, or change national flags so often?
It speaks to your lack of credibility in other things you say.

Dear strangelove. Don't accuse me of lying. Scotth is no lie. It's an abbreviation for my name. That you are Peter Sellers is not true! Look at your own conduct first before you criticize mine, thank you!
What does his choice of user name have to do with anything?
Why do you keep bringing that up?
Why can't you defend your faith without resorting to childish tactics like criticizing his choice of username?
When you give away information like you have it makes it very easy for people to find out a lot more, and that is not a good idea.
 
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Scott1960 is not your real name. Please adjust it in the control panel, edit details page to more honestly reflect the name your parents gave you.
Scott H. is the name my parents gave me. Scott Harrington. I don't need to explain anything.
Perhaps you can explain why you need to call yourself Strangelove, unless that is your actual given name by your parents. If it's you real name, okay. If not, you have some explaining to do, don't you?
What does a silly Peter Sellers movie have to do with discussing Christian topics?
 
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Scotth1960

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What does his choice of user name have to do with anything?
Why do you keep bringing that up?
Why can't you defend your faith without resorting to childish tactics like criticizing his choice of username?
When you give away information like you have it makes it very easy for people to find out a lot more, and that is not a good idea.
Aren't you being judgmental by saying I'm being childish? What is wrong with using one's own name. Is the world so dangerous that we need to cower in fear? Maybe. But there are better ways of concealing one's actual name than using a non sequitur Hollywood Movie Character.
Why not use names like
Christian
Orthodox Christian

Eastern Orthodox
Presbyterian
Reformed
Lutheran
Methodist
Roman Catholic
if one wants to identify with a particular church tradition.
Maybe I can change my name. If it's that important at this point.
I'm sorry if I seem a bit limited in my thinking here, but I don't find anything wrong with my critcism. In kindergarten, everyone goes by their own name. I think children are wiser than adults. Adults are the ones who make things complicated.
Then we get into the nonsense of Christian traditions.
There should only be one Christian tradition.
Unfortunately, it seems like it needs to be that people misunderstand the Bible.
If the Bible was easy to understand, people would find all of the Bible in the Nicene Creed.
The Nicene Creed is virtually everything you need to know as a Christian.
But there is more to real Christianity than can be contained in one simple statement of faith. To understand every verse in the Bible takes perhaps more than one lifetime. But we can all perhaps begin to make some progress into knowing the Scriptures and living by them. None of us are yet perfect in this present life.
I'm sure I'm far from perfect.
 
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Scott H. is the name my parents gave me. Scott Harrington. I don't need to explain anything.
Perhaps you can explain why you need to call yourself Strangelove, unless that is your actual given name by your parents. If it's you real name, okay. If not, you have some explaining to do, don't you?
What does a silly Peter Sellers movie have to do with discussing Christian topics?
What does my username have to do with discussing Christian topics?

Can you please tell us WHY you worship icons?

Its idolatry.
 
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Scott, I think the debate was here when you meandered off again:

Scott said:
Strangelove, I am not attempting to have the saints communicate with me. Only the saints who are alive on earth right now.
This is a bald faced LIE. You ask BASIL for his prayers!

Scott said:
Like you could be a saint, too. When Christ has mercy on you.
How can the 24 elders not hear the prayers of those living on earth? Don't you understand the communion of saints is not limited only to those on earth? What verse says the communion of saints is limited to those on earth? Chapter and verse, please!
In Erie PA Scott H.
PS You don't know if Basil and Irenaeus are in heaven. That doesn't prove that no one can know that they are in heaven.
WHO knows they are in heaven??? You tell me Scotty.
 
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Aren't you being judgmental by saying I'm being childish? What is wrong with using one's own name. Is the world so dangerous that we need to cower in fear? Maybe. But there are better ways of concealing one's actual name than using a non sequitur Hollywood Movie Character.
Why not use names like
Christian
Orthodox Christian

Eastern Orthodox
Presbyterian
Reformed
Lutheran
Methodist
Roman Catholic
if one wants to identify with a particular church tradition.
Maybe I can change my name. If it's that important at this point.
I'm sorry if I seem a bit limited in my thinking here, but I don't find anything wrong with my critcism. In kindergarten, everyone goes by their own name. I think children are wiser than adults. Adults are the ones who make things complicated.
Then we get into the nonsense of Christian traditions.
There should only be one Christian tradition.
Unfortunately, it seems like it needs to be that people misunderstand the Bible.
If the Bible was easy to understand, people would find all of the Bible in the Nicene Creed.
The Nicene Creed is virtually everything you need to know as a Christian.
But there is more to real Christianity than can be contained in one simple statement of faith. To understand every verse in the Bible takes perhaps more than one lifetime. But we can all perhaps begin to make some progress into knowing the Scriptures and living by them. None of us are yet perfect in this present life.
I'm sure I'm far from perfect.
I don't mind being judgmental of your poor tactics and criticisms.
I wouldn't say cower in fear Scott, but I do have your address and phone number now, and if I wanted to I could get a lot more.
I never went by my own name in Kindergarten. There were 4 kids in my class with the same name, so I went by something else.

Here's the Nicene Creed from the First Council of Nicea

- We believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of all things visible and invisible.
- And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, begotten of the Father (the only-begotten; that is, of the essence of the Father, God of God), Light of Light, very God of very God, begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father;
- By whom all things were made (both in heaven and on earth);
- Who for us men, and for our salvation, came down and was incarnate and was made man;
- He suffered, and the third day he rose again, ascended into heaven;
- And in the Holy Ghost.
- (But those who say: 'There was a time when he was not;' and 'He was not before he was made;' and 'He was made out of nothing.' or 'He is of another substance' or 'essence,' or 'The Son of God is created,' or 'changeable,' or 'alterable' - they are condemned by the holy catholic and apostolic Church.)

I guess it wasn't good enough then because they changed it at the First Council of Constantinople.


- We believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible.
- And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all worlds (æons), Light of Light, very God of very God, begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father;
- By whom all things were made;
- Who for us men, and for our salvation, came down and was incarnate by the Holy Ghost of he Virgin Mary, and was made man;
- He was crucified for us under Pontius Pilate, and suffered suffered, and was buried, and the third day he rose again, according to the Scriptures, and ascended into heaven, and sitteth on the right hand of the Father;
-From thence he shall come again, with glory, to judge the quick and the dead;
-Whose kingdom shall have no end.
- And in the Holy Ghost, the Lord and Giver of life, who proceedeth from the Father, who with the Father and the Son together is worshipped and glorified, who spake by the prophets
-In one holy catholic and apostolic Church; we acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins; we look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen.

Now, if the Nicene Creed was everything you needed to know, why did it need to be changed? And from reading it, in either form, I can see that it surely doesn't contain everything we need to know.
 
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Scott, I think the debate was here when you meandered off again:



This is a bald faced LIE. You ask BASIL for his prayers!



WHO knows they are in heaven??? You tell me Scotty.

Do the EO or RCC'rs expect a response from the Saints when they ask for their prayers? Like if Scott prays to Basil does he expect Basil to answer him, or does he expect Basil to add his own prayers to Scotts prayers to help him out? I think there's a difference, but that might just be me.
 
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What does my username have to do with discussing Christian topics?

Can you please tell us WHY you worship icons?

Its idolatry.
Strangelove, I do not worship icons. Why do you say icons of Christ, St. Andrew, the Blessed Virgin, the Orthodox Saints, St. Michael and the Holy Angels of God, events in the life of Christ should be forbidden, but you promote an image of Peter Sellers? Why is that? You're not logical.
Scott R. Harrington

 
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Do the EO or RCC'rs expect a response from the Saints when they ask for their prayers? Like if Scott prays to Basil does he expect Basil to answer him, or does he expect Basil to add his own prayers to Scotts prayers to help him out? I think there's a difference, but that might just be me.
I don't receive messages from Saint Basil. I don't ask for private revelations like our lady of Fatima in Roman Catholicism. Eastern Orthodoxy gets all its messages from Holy Tradition: Scripture as part of the written part of Holy Tradition, and oral and written traditions of Christ's Apostles and the Church Fathers. We know the saints pray for us because of the 24 elders in the book of Revelation. We know there is a living Church in heaven, of the departed saints before the throne of God. These await the resurrection of the body.
Their souls are in heaven now.
Death does not stop the prayers of the saints in heaven for the church on earth. It is one living communion of saints in the present life, and in the life of the world to come.
This is how we pray. We pray The Lord's Prayer. We pray the Prayer O Heavenly King. We pray the Trisagion (Holy God, Holy Mighty, Holy Immortal, have mercy on us). We pray the Kyrie eleison (Lord have mercy). We pray the Jesus Prayer. Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner.
We pray through the Virgin and the Saints.
We pray to God through the Virgin and the Saints.
Through the prayers of Thy Most Pure Mother, LORD Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on us.
Through the prayers of our holy Fathers, LORD Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on us.
Pray is TO Jesus WITH His Saints.
Prayer is TO the Holy Trinity.
 
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I don't mind being judgmental of your poor tactics and criticisms.
I wouldn't say cower in fear Scott, but I do have your address and phone number now, and if I wanted to I could get a lot more.
I never went by my own name in Kindergarten. There were 4 kids in my class with the same name, so I went by something else.

Here's the Nicene Creed from the First Council of Nicea

- We believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of all things visible and invisible.
- And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, begotten of the Father (the only-begotten; that is, of the essence of the Father, God of God), Light of Light, very God of very God, begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father;
- By whom all things were made (both in heaven and on earth);
- Who for us men, and for our salvation, came down and was incarnate and was made man;
- He suffered, and the third day he rose again, ascended into heaven;
- And in the Holy Ghost.
- (But those who say: 'There was a time when he was not;' and 'He was not before he was made;' and 'He was made out of nothing.' or 'He is of another substance' or 'essence,' or 'The Son of God is created,' or 'changeable,' or 'alterable' - they are condemned by the holy catholic and apostolic Church.)

I guess it wasn't good enough then because they changed it at the First Council of Constantinople.


- We believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible.
- And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all worlds (æons), Light of Light, very God of very God, begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father;
- By whom all things were made;
- Who for us men, and for our salvation, came down and was incarnate by the Holy Ghost of he Virgin Mary, and was made man;
- He was crucified for us under Pontius Pilate, and suffered suffered, and was buried, and the third day he rose again, according to the Scriptures, and ascended into heaven, and sitteth on the right hand of the Father;
-From thence he shall come again, with glory, to judge the quick and the dead;
-Whose kingdom shall have no end.
- And in the Holy Ghost, the Lord and Giver of life, who proceedeth from the Father, who with the Father and the Son together is worshipped and glorified, who spake by the prophets
-In one holy catholic and apostolic Church; we acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins; we look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen.

Now, if the Nicene Creed was everything you needed to know, why did it need to be changed? And from reading it, in either form, I can see that it surely doesn't contain everything we need to know.
Why do Protestants insist that the Scripture alone contains everything we need to know.
I would say that the Nicene Creed contains most things that we need to know. It's a brief outline of Christian doctrine. It says the Gospel in a few words.
Of course we need to know the whole NT, and most portions of the OT are still in effect. Or at least the OT is fulfilled in Christ Jesus.
The Creed was completed in Constantinople, not changed. The Creed of the Church never changes. It is just understood better by some people. Just because it wasn't written down until 381 AD, doesn't mean the earlier church wouldn't have believed it had they heard it. Truth does not change. Understanding does change.

 
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Strangelove, I do not worship icons. Why do you say icons of Christ, St. Andrew, the Blessed Virgin, the Orthodox Saints, St. Michael and the Holy Angels of God, events in the life of Christ should be forbidden, but you promote an image of Peter Sellers? Why is that? You're not logical.
Scott R. Harrington


I have a picture of a Capybara as my avatar, does that mean I'm promoting an image of a Capybara? I think you're the one that's not being logical Scott, you're being completely ridiculous with this continued attack on a persons choice of username and avatar.
 
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Scotth1960

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I have a picture of a Capybara as my avatar, does that mean I'm promoting an image of a Capybara? I think you're the one that's not being logical Scott, you're being completely ridiculous with this continued attack on a persons choice of username and avatar.
Is it a commandment of Christ to use that? Shouldn't a Christian not do anything that isn't commanded by Christ?
The logic of Christianity is to be theological, not to make symbols for some Christian website. The concept of avatar comes from Hinduism, not Christianity. Why does this site promote the term avatar, which is foreign to the Bible, instead of the word icon. eikonos is the Greek word for image, and is used in the Bible.
Christ is the express image (eikonos) of God.
I'm not attacking anyone. I'm disagreeing. You're exaggerating. It's wrong to say I am attacking. I'm not attacking a username. I'm disagreeing with their choice. It should be logical. Strangelove is not a logical pseudonym for a Christian.
Why not use one's own name or a variation of it?
You used your own name by the way, didn't you, NitzWalsh?
 
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NitzWalsh

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Is it a commandment of Christ to use that? Shouldn't a Christian not do anything that isn't commanded by Christ?
The logic of Christianity is to be theological, not to make symbols for some Christian website. The concept of avatar comes from Hinduism, not Christianity. Why does this site promote the term avatar, which is foreign to the Bible, instead of the word icon. eikonos is the Greek word for image, and is used in the Bible.
Christ is the express image (eikonos) of God.
I'm not attacking anyone. I'm disagreeing. You're exaggerating. It's wrong to say I am attacking. I'm not attacking a username. I'm disagreeing with their choice. It should be logical. Strangelove is not a logical pseudonym for a Christian.
Why not use one's own name or a variation of it?
You used your own name by the way, didn't you, NitzWalsh?

My name is from a cartoon I used to watch.
Avatar is the word used by internet communities to describe a small picture which is used to identify yourself in a unique way.
It's not unchristian to use a name that isn't yours, or a unique picture for your avatar.

You need to stick to the topic instead of attacking people for their choices in user names.

I initially came in here because I thought I'd learn something about the EO church, but you're not helping any, or giving it a good image this way.
 
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Do the EO or RCC'rs expect a response from the Saints when they ask for their prayers? Like if Scott prays to Basil does he expect Basil to answer him, or does he expect Basil to add his own prayers to Scotts prayers to help him out? I think there's a difference, but that might just be me.
It's the second one. The Saints themselves can do nothing but pray, and since the prayer of a righteous man is powerful and effective, their prayers are more powerful than ours. Ultimately it is God who answers the prayer.
 
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Scotth1960

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I don't mind being judgmental of your poor tactics and criticisms.
I wouldn't say cower in fear Scott, but I do have your address and phone number now, and if I wanted to I could get a lot more.
I never went by my own name in Kindergarten. There were 4 kids in my class with the same name, so I went by something else.

Here's the Nicene Creed from the First Council of Nicea

- We believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of all things visible and invisible.
- And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, begotten of the Father (the only-begotten; that is, of the essence of the Father, God of God), Light of Light, very God of very God, begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father;
- By whom all things were made (both in heaven and on earth);
- Who for us men, and for our salvation, came down and was incarnate and was made man;
- He suffered, and the third day he rose again, ascended into heaven;
- And in the Holy Ghost.
- (But those who say: 'There was a time when he was not;' and 'He was not before he was made;' and 'He was made out of nothing.' or 'He is of another substance' or 'essence,' or 'The Son of God is created,' or 'changeable,' or 'alterable' - they are condemned by the holy catholic and apostolic Church.)

I guess it wasn't good enough then because they changed it at the First Council of Constantinople.


- We believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible.
- And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all worlds (æons), Light of Light, very God of very God, begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father;
- By whom all things were made;
- Who for us men, and for our salvation, came down and was incarnate by the Holy Ghost of he Virgin Mary, and was made man;
- He was crucified for us under Pontius Pilate, and suffered suffered, and was buried, and the third day he rose again, according to the Scriptures, and ascended into heaven, and sitteth on the right hand of the Father;
-From thence he shall come again, with glory, to judge the quick and the dead;
-Whose kingdom shall have no end.
- And in the Holy Ghost, the Lord and Giver of life, who proceedeth from the Father, who with the Father and the Son together is worshipped and glorified, who spake by the prophets
-In one holy catholic and apostolic Church; we acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins; we look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen.

Now, if the Nicene Creed was everything you needed to know, why did it need to be changed? And from reading it, in either form, I can see that it surely doesn't contain everything we need to know.

Isn't there in the Nicene Creed almost everything in the NT is contained in it? Doesn't it tell us who God is and how faith in Him saves us?
The First Council of Constantinople didn't change the Nicene Creed. It completed and finished the work begun at Nicea in 325 AD.
Both councils were inspired by the Holy Spirit, even as the first church council in Acts 15 was inspired by the Holy Spirit. Do you deny that the Holy Spirit works in the Church after the finished writing of the New Testament?

 
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Scott, I think the debate was here when you meandered off again:



This is a bald faced LIE. You ask BASIL for his prayers!

Dear strangelove.
You are falsely accusing me of lying. It is wrong to bear false witness against your neighbor. I ask the saints to pray for me. I don't ask for them to contact me directly or receive messages from them. I ask God to speak to me in Holy Tradition: Scripture as it is interpreted in/by the Church.
God bless you. In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington


WHO knows they are in heaven??? You tell me Scotty.
 
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I don't mind being judgmental of your poor tactics and criticisms.
I wouldn't say cower in fear Scott, but I do have your address and phone number now, and if I wanted to I could get a lot more.
I never went by my own name in Kindergarten. There were 4 kids in my class with the same name, so I went by something else.

Here's the Nicene Creed from the First Council of Nicea

- We believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of all things visible and invisible.
- And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, begotten of the Father (the only-begotten; that is, of the essence of the Father, God of God), Light of Light, very God of very God, begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father;
- By whom all things were made (both in heaven and on earth);
- Who for us men, and for our salvation, came down and was incarnate and was made man;
- He suffered, and the third day he rose again, ascended into heaven;
- And in the Holy Ghost.
- (But those who say: 'There was a time when he was not;' and 'He was not before he was made;' and 'He was made out of nothing.' or 'He is of another substance' or 'essence,' or 'The Son of God is created,' or 'changeable,' or 'alterable' - they are condemned by the holy catholic and apostolic Church.)

I guess it wasn't good enough then because they changed it at the First Council of Constantinople.


- We believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible.
- And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all worlds (æons), Light of Light, very God of very God, begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father;
- By whom all things were made;
- Who for us men, and for our salvation, came down and was incarnate by the Holy Ghost of he Virgin Mary, and was made man;
- He was crucified for us under Pontius Pilate, and suffered suffered, and was buried, and the third day he rose again, according to the Scriptures, and ascended into heaven, and sitteth on the right hand of the Father;
-From thence he shall come again, with glory, to judge the quick and the dead;
-Whose kingdom shall have no end.
- And in the Holy Ghost, the Lord and Giver of life, who proceedeth from the Father, who with the Father and the Son together is worshipped and glorified, who spake by the prophets
-In one holy catholic and apostolic Church; we acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins; we look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen.

Now, if the Nicene Creed was everything you needed to know, why did it need to be changed? And from reading it, in either form, I can see that it surely doesn't contain everything we need to know.
You shouldn't look up my address and phone number without my permission.
People on this website are expected to act properly.