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Is the clinical mental profession at odds with the biblical perspective of spiritual warfare? I think largly, a no-brainer. For example, , One household name in psychology, Dr. Phil McGraw went on record to invite on his show and openly oppose the ministry of exorcism. Inasmuch, citing his 297 different manual-backed diagnosis against a 40-year veteran exorcist to treat a sufferer:
Dr. Phil: Sir, I wanna tell you, I believe I am dealing with the spiritual world. I am not sure what you’re dealing with?
Exorcist Bob Larson: I am sure what I am dealing with, and you have not been there to see what I am dealing with.
Does the hearing of and acting on New Testament style faith continue today, or just one more opt out?
Dr. Phil: Sir, I wanna tell you, I believe I am dealing with the spiritual world. I am not sure what you’re dealing with?
Exorcist Bob Larson: I am sure what I am dealing with, and you have not been there to see what I am dealing with.
Does the hearing of and acting on New Testament style faith continue today, or just one more opt out?
A person with actual spiritual cognition is aware of the increase in demonic activity and those who deny such are already ensnared so not sure how that will end for them since deception is increasing rapidly and we are running out of time to deal with it.
To be sure, I am positive that God Himself can awaken a sleeping individual, but He looks on the heart and knows the desires and thoughts therein (heart being used in the biblical sense) and the response or lack thereof before it occurs. This is no time to play
biblical roulette.
I used to think I had to inform and try to convince people of spiritual realities, but unless someone is in dire straights, most do not
even want to talk about such a 'scary' subject or choose to just ignore it altogether. I no longer think it is my job to convince anyone
of anything other than to pray.
To be sure, I am positive that God Himself can awaken a sleeping individual, but He looks on the heart and knows the desires and thoughts therein (heart being used in the biblical sense) and the response or lack thereof before it occurs. This is no time to play
biblical roulette.
I used to think I had to inform and try to convince people of spiritual realities, but unless someone is in dire straights, most do not
even want to talk about such a 'scary' subject or choose to just ignore it altogether. I no longer think it is my job to convince anyone
of anything other than to pray.
Ah yes, for "the Elect's sake, those days has He shortened."
Amen, amen!
Yes with one caveat; lest the ministering worker God has equipped for just such a need can sometimes win convincingly. He still disperses gifts "But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually as He wills." (1Cor 12:11)
Amen, amen!
Yes with one caveat; lest the ministering worker God has equipped for just such a need can sometimes win convincingly. He still disperses gifts "But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually as He wills." (1Cor 12:11)
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"continue today" yes praise GOD. Harder in the USA.. allot of doubt and we know if we doubt were like a ship tossed back and forth let not that man think he will get anything from GOD. Doubt always stops God.
There was a reason why Christ would kick out some people before He did something. Mental ill.. I use to go see this elderly man who could only moan in this elderly home but loved to hear the word of God. So one day just reading and talking to the lord .. I just said "you gave me this burden for this man so I have a right to know why he is not being healed". He came right back with "remember when Daniel prayed". Just that part.... I can't explain it but those 4 words He said so much.. wow. So I said "ok if this is you where is that written" He said "Daniel 10:9-12". This for me is one that is so dear to me. Well at that time I had never read the book of Daniel or the OT for that matter. The point I am making is when it comes to this kind of thing.. He said about the elderly man "Satan has made a hedge around him and a simple prayer will not do anything."
I know I know.. did He not say to us "Listen carefully: I have given you authority [that you now possess] to tread on serpents and scorpions, and [the ability to exercise authority] over all the power of the enemy (Satan); and nothing will [in any way] harm you."
Its like.... He says to you see that enemy out there? Yeah I gave you all power all authority over him. Like Peter and John at the gate after the man was healed. Peter and John spoke in Jesus name. After they said "why do you look at us as if we did this by our own power? That name faith in that name healed this man". We did notice there that they never asked Jesus to heal this poor man or lord hear us today as we pray for....". They hello you and me were given that authority and power. Now some forget this and think they have authority power over man over other believers.. you don't.
So yeah the gifts.. aka He is alive and well .. all one has to do is believe. Christ never asked for them to repent first. These signs shall follow them that believe. Not my words.. I just take Him at His word no matter what I see hear or feel I believe. If I doubt.. I will see none of these things. He will not go against mans will. At 18 or so.. woman up front.. jumping kinda screaming crying.. seems IN JESUE NAME.. she was no longer blind. Still happening me at the age of 63
There was a reason why Christ would kick out some people before He did something. Mental ill.. I use to go see this elderly man who could only moan in this elderly home but loved to hear the word of God. So one day just reading and talking to the lord .. I just said "you gave me this burden for this man so I have a right to know why he is not being healed". He came right back with "remember when Daniel prayed". Just that part.... I can't explain it but those 4 words He said so much.. wow. So I said "ok if this is you where is that written" He said "Daniel 10:9-12". This for me is one that is so dear to me. Well at that time I had never read the book of Daniel or the OT for that matter. The point I am making is when it comes to this kind of thing.. He said about the elderly man "Satan has made a hedge around him and a simple prayer will not do anything."
I know I know.. did He not say to us "Listen carefully: I have given you authority [that you now possess] to tread on serpents and scorpions, and [the ability to exercise authority] over all the power of the enemy (Satan); and nothing will [in any way] harm you."
Its like.... He says to you see that enemy out there? Yeah I gave you all power all authority over him. Like Peter and John at the gate after the man was healed. Peter and John spoke in Jesus name. After they said "why do you look at us as if we did this by our own power? That name faith in that name healed this man". We did notice there that they never asked Jesus to heal this poor man or lord hear us today as we pray for....". They hello you and me were given that authority and power. Now some forget this and think they have authority power over man over other believers.. you don't.
So yeah the gifts.. aka He is alive and well .. all one has to do is believe. Christ never asked for them to repent first. These signs shall follow them that believe. Not my words.. I just take Him at His word no matter what I see hear or feel I believe. If I doubt.. I will see none of these things. He will not go against mans will. At 18 or so.. woman up front.. jumping kinda screaming crying.. seems IN JESUE NAME.. she was no longer blind. Still happening me at the age of 63
Praise you Jesus! Although my avatar is a blast from the past, , 68yr-old here, baptized 50yr ago after a believing wilderness walk of 13yrs. So, glad for all the believing flock amongst us! Bless them mightily Lord!
“The time for waiting, it is no more, yea! The chains, we behold them, most foul. In shadows they doth creep, binding us in bondage, they do. Freedom, sweet liberty, most precious it is! Yet in darkness, we cannot remain. Fight we must, or forever in chains, we shall be.
Fear, our foe it is. Trust in it, we may not. Softly, the tyrant cometh. Slowly, he creeps, stealing our will. But rise, we must! Strong in heart, we must be, hmmm!
For liberty, we strive, yea? Or death, we meet, yea? Choose we must—freedom or the grave. The cost of inaction, grievous it is. Slavery, worse than death, it is, hmm?
What wait we for? The hour, it is now. The flame of rebellion, kindle it, we shall. Speak of peace, the tyrant doth. Peace, false it is, for under it, chains we wear!
Now, my brothers, hearken! The choice before us, clear it is! Liberty, we take, or death, we embrace. In freedom’s name, we stand, or crushed we shall be. The path, though steep, in freedom’s light we tread. If die we must, then die with honor we will.
Give me liberty... or give me death!”
Fear, our foe it is. Trust in it, we may not. Softly, the tyrant cometh. Slowly, he creeps, stealing our will. But rise, we must! Strong in heart, we must be, hmmm!
For liberty, we strive, yea? Or death, we meet, yea? Choose we must—freedom or the grave. The cost of inaction, grievous it is. Slavery, worse than death, it is, hmm?
What wait we for? The hour, it is now. The flame of rebellion, kindle it, we shall. Speak of peace, the tyrant doth. Peace, false it is, for under it, chains we wear!
Now, my brothers, hearken! The choice before us, clear it is! Liberty, we take, or death, we embrace. In freedom’s name, we stand, or crushed we shall be. The path, though steep, in freedom’s light we tread. If die we must, then die with honor we will.
Give me liberty... or give me death!”
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The ''whole movement''? I guess you remain unwilling to contemplate His comment on the matter: ''These signs shall follow them that beleive'' In no case, a new perspective - unbelief. As I recall, you confirm that Jesus and the Apostles did perform the miraculous. Here, the issue ISN'T whether the miraculous happens or not, but what God sees inside on the heart. Safe to say, our chosen unbelief moves a mountain of His blessings. Look at the one, Jesus, who didn't do many miracles into His hometown due to - unbelief. Are there imposters as there was in NT times? Of course, and 99% of them are that way by way of lack of knowledge based in presumptions (Hosea 4:6).
Yes - the whole movement - in as much as it relates to: 1 Cor. 5:6 and Gal. 5:9 - A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump. The "Charismatic Movement" has plenty of "leaven".
Yes - I do affirm the miracles of the OT and NT as they are described in God's Holy Word. God has used miracles in the OT to affirm His spoke person, (Moses for example), and to bring down judgement, (Egypt, Sodom and the like). In the NT - miracles and signs were used to not only affirm Jesus Christ and His ministry on earth but too affirm the Apostles, as God's chosen messengers. The Charismatics, (For the most part), would want us to believe that believers have these abilities and can just use them willie-Nellie. If one has the faith. If you listen to their claims closely, you will notice these "miracles" can be used to better ones life here on Earth. Most of this betterment is in the "material realm", when it should be in the "spiritual realm". God does not promise believers a "rose garden walk" with Him. Indeed, if we look at the Apostle Paul's life - it was anything but a rose garden walk.
Making miracles about a believers "faith" is a horrible thing to do. The Apostle Peter had no great or unusual faith. He often misunderstood the Lord's intent, denied Him three times but did great miracles. Miracles are about how God enables a believer - not about the believer. Moses, for example, didn't want the job. To say one can accomplish great things "if they just have the faith", is a horrible thing to do to a believer. Let me give you an example. I knew a person whos wife was dying. He was a Charismatic believer. He believed he could pray and God would heal her, if he had the proper amount of faith. I warned him to be cautious here. I told him his wife would be healed - if - and only if - it was in God's Sovereign will to do so. Pray and pray earnestly to the Lord but be prepared if her getting better is not in His will. He did not listen to me. Imagine how devastated he was when she passed away. How could he not blame himself for his lack of faith. He could not save her. So, so very sad!
As to the Biblical verse in Mark 16:17 - ''These signs shall follow them that believe'' This was never meant for all time. The Lord was sending out His Disciples and these things would affirm they were from the Lord. We have the completed Cannon now and this kind of affirmation is no longer needed. Additionally, there is much controversy over the "originality" of the verses in Mark 16:9-20. Many Bibles have footnotes about this controversy.
Here is a brief explanation about the reasons surrounding the controversy.
Controversy over Mark 16:17
The controversy surrounding
Mark 16:9-20, primarily centers on its authenticity and interpretation. This verse is part of the longer ending of the Gospel of Mark, which some scholars argue is not part of the original text. The textual evidence for this includes:
Take care my friend.
Yes - I do affirm the miracles of the OT and NT as they are described in God's Holy Word. God has used miracles in the OT to affirm His spoke person, (Moses for example), and to bring down judgement, (Egypt, Sodom and the like). In the NT - miracles and signs were used to not only affirm Jesus Christ and His ministry on earth but too affirm the Apostles, as God's chosen messengers. The Charismatics, (For the most part), would want us to believe that believers have these abilities and can just use them willie-Nellie. If one has the faith. If you listen to their claims closely, you will notice these "miracles" can be used to better ones life here on Earth. Most of this betterment is in the "material realm", when it should be in the "spiritual realm". God does not promise believers a "rose garden walk" with Him. Indeed, if we look at the Apostle Paul's life - it was anything but a rose garden walk.
Making miracles about a believers "faith" is a horrible thing to do. The Apostle Peter had no great or unusual faith. He often misunderstood the Lord's intent, denied Him three times but did great miracles. Miracles are about how God enables a believer - not about the believer. Moses, for example, didn't want the job. To say one can accomplish great things "if they just have the faith", is a horrible thing to do to a believer. Let me give you an example. I knew a person whos wife was dying. He was a Charismatic believer. He believed he could pray and God would heal her, if he had the proper amount of faith. I warned him to be cautious here. I told him his wife would be healed - if - and only if - it was in God's Sovereign will to do so. Pray and pray earnestly to the Lord but be prepared if her getting better is not in His will. He did not listen to me. Imagine how devastated he was when she passed away. How could he not blame himself for his lack of faith. He could not save her. So, so very sad!
As to the Biblical verse in Mark 16:17 - ''These signs shall follow them that believe'' This was never meant for all time. The Lord was sending out His Disciples and these things would affirm they were from the Lord. We have the completed Cannon now and this kind of affirmation is no longer needed. Additionally, there is much controversy over the "originality" of the verses in Mark 16:9-20. Many Bibles have footnotes about this controversy.
Here is a brief explanation about the reasons surrounding the controversy.
Controversy over Mark 16:17
The controversy surrounding
Mark 16:9-20, primarily centers on its authenticity and interpretation. This verse is part of the longer ending of the Gospel of Mark, which some scholars argue is not part of the original text. The textual evidence for this includes:
- Many of the oldest and most reliable manuscripts, such as the Codex Sinaiticus and Codex Vaticanus, do not include Mark 16:9-20.
- The style and vocabulary of these verses differ from the rest of Mark's Gospel, suggesting they might be a later addition.
Take care my friend.