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ocean

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So, you yourself have described the type of miracle it was. To the man it might had seemed as a miracle. I will grant you that because humanity throws the word miracle around all the time. However, it is not a "Miracle" as defined by the Bible and that was my point.

As for the bat... I never played baseball. But as to the truth.. I always believe what God hath said. Men on the other hand... not so much. One is objective, the other subjective. As for me, I will stick to the objective Truth of God as revealed in Scripture.

Any so-called subjective truth of man, that does not hold up to the Objective Truth of Scripture, is rejected, no matter how real the experience may seem.
You may very well have a major problem with scripture then if you deny what men give witness to. The objective truth of scripture is entirely given by men.
 
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You should understand that our entire life in Christ is supernatural. In the case of a lack of belief with regards to our current situation, we are the household of our brother Jesus. It seems many live at arms length and do not want to get to close to our brother, preferring instead dead works (what a person can do themself without faith) and self justification.
An unsurpassed reminder, thanks!
 
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Is the clinical mental profession at odds with the biblical perspective of spiritual warfare? I think largly, a no-brainer. For example, , One household name in psychology, Dr. Phil McGraw went on record to invite on his show and openly oppose the ministry of exorcism. Inasmuch, citing his 297 different manual-backed diagnosis against a 40-year veteran exorcist to treat a sufferer:

Dr. Phil: Sir, I wanna tell you, I believe I am dealing with the spiritual world. I am not sure what you’re dealing with?

Exorcist Bob Larson: I am sure what I am dealing with, and you have not been there to see what I am dealing with.

Does the hearing of and acting on New Testament style faith continue today, or just one more opt out?
 

ocean

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Is the clinical mental profession at odds with the biblical perspective of spiritual warfare? I think largly, a no-brainer. For example, , One household name in psychology, Dr. Phil McGraw went on record to invite on his show and openly oppose the ministry of exorcism. Inasmuch, citing his 297 different manual-backed diagnosis against a 40-year veteran exorcist to treat a sufferer:

Dr. Phil: Sir, I wanna tell you, I believe I am dealing with the spiritual world. I am not sure what you’re dealing with?

Exorcist Bob Larson: I am sure what I am dealing with, and you have not been there to see what I am dealing with.

Does the hearing of and acting on New Testament style faith continue today, or just one more opt out?
A person with actual spiritual cognition is aware of the increase in demonic activity and those who deny such are already ensnared so not sure how that will end for them since deception is increasing rapidly and we are running out of time to deal with it.

To be sure, I am positive that God Himself can awaken a sleeping individual, but He looks on the heart and knows the desires and thoughts therein (heart being used in the biblical sense) and the response or lack thereof before it occurs. This is no time to play
biblical roulette.

I used to think I had to inform and try to convince people of spiritual realities, but unless someone is in dire straights, most do not
even want to talk about such a 'scary' subject or choose to just ignore it altogether. I no longer think it is my job to convince anyone
of anything other than to pray.
 
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A person with actual spiritual cognition is aware of the increase in demonic activity and those who deny such are already ensnared so not sure how that will end for them since deception is increasing rapidly and we are running out of time to deal with it.
Ah yes, for "the Elect's sake, those days has He shortened."
To be sure, I am positive that God Himself can awaken a sleeping individual, but He looks on the heart and knows the desires and thoughts therein (heart being used in the biblical sense) and the response or lack thereof before it occurs. This is no time to play biblical roulette.
Amen, amen!
I used to think I had to inform and try to convince people of spiritual realities, but unless someone is in dire straights, most do not even want to talk about such a 'scary' subject or choose to just ignore it altogether. I no longer think it is my job to convince anyone of anything other than to pray.
Yes with one caveat; lest the ministering worker God has equipped for just such a need can sometimes win convincingly. He still disperses gifts "But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually as He wills." (1Cor 12:11)
 

ocean

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#47
Yes with one caveat; lest the ministering worker God has equipped for just such a need can sometimes win convincingly. He still disperses gifts "But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually as He wills." (1Cor 12:11)
Yes that does happen.
 

Blade

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#48
Is the clinical mental profession at odds with the biblical perspective of spiritual warfare? I think largly, a no-brainer. For example, , One household name in psychology, Dr. Phil McGraw went on record to invite on his show and openly oppose the ministry of exorcism. Inasmuch, citing his 297 different manual-backed diagnosis against a 40-year veteran exorcist to treat a sufferer:

Dr. Phil: Sir, I wanna tell you, I believe I am dealing with the spiritual world. I am not sure what you’re dealing with?

Exorcist Bob Larson: I am sure what I am dealing with, and you have not been there to see what I am dealing with.

Does the hearing of and acting on New Testament style faith continue today, or just one more opt out?
"continue today" yes praise GOD. Harder in the USA.. allot of doubt and we know if we doubt were like a ship tossed back and forth let not that man think he will get anything from GOD. Doubt always stops God.

There was a reason why Christ would kick out some people before He did something. Mental ill.. I use to go see this elderly man who could only moan in this elderly home but loved to hear the word of God. So one day just reading and talking to the lord .. I just said "you gave me this burden for this man so I have a right to know why he is not being healed". He came right back with "remember when Daniel prayed". Just that part.... I can't explain it but those 4 words He said so much.. wow. So I said "ok if this is you where is that written" He said "Daniel 10:9-12". This for me is one that is so dear to me. Well at that time I had never read the book of Daniel or the OT for that matter. The point I am making is when it comes to this kind of thing.. He said about the elderly man "Satan has made a hedge around him and a simple prayer will not do anything."

I know I know.. did He not say to us "Listen carefully: I have given you authority [that you now possess] to tread on serpents and scorpions, and [the ability to exercise authority] over all the power of the enemy (Satan); and nothing will [in any way] harm you."

Its like.... He says to you see that enemy out there? Yeah I gave you all power all authority over him. Like Peter and John at the gate after the man was healed. Peter and John spoke in Jesus name. After they said "why do you look at us as if we did this by our own power? That name faith in that name healed this man". We did notice there that they never asked Jesus to heal this poor man or lord hear us today as we pray for....". They hello you and me were given that authority and power. Now some forget this and think they have authority power over man over other believers.. you don't.

So yeah the gifts.. aka He is alive and well .. all one has to do is believe. Christ never asked for them to repent first. These signs shall follow them that believe. Not my words.. I just take Him at His word no matter what I see hear or feel I believe. If I doubt.. I will see none of these things. He will not go against mans will. At 18 or so.. woman up front.. jumping kinda screaming crying.. seems IN JESUE NAME.. she was no longer blind. Still happening me at the age of 63
 
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"continue today" yes praise GOD. Harder in the USA.. allot of doubt and we know if we doubt were like a ship tossed back and forth let not that man think he will get anything from GOD. Doubt always stops God.

There was a reason why Christ would kick out some people before He did something. Mental ill.. I use to go see this elderly man who could only moan in this elderly home but loved to hear the word of God. So one day just reading and talking to the lord .. I just said "you gave me this burden for this man so I have a right to know why he is not being healed". He came right back with "remember when Daniel prayed". Just that part.... I can't explain it but those 4 words He said so much.. wow. So I said "ok if this is you where is that written" He said "Daniel 10:9-12". This for me is one that is so dear to me. Well at that time I had never read the book of Daniel or the OT for that matter. The point I am making is when it comes to this kind of thing.. He said about the elderly man "Satan has made a hedge around him and a simple prayer will not do anything."

I know I know.. did He not say to us "Listen carefully: I have given you authority [that you now possess] to tread on serpents and scorpions, and [the ability to exercise authority] over all the power of the enemy (Satan); and nothing will [in any way] harm you."

Its like.... He says to you see that enemy out there? Yeah I gave you all power all authority over him. Like Peter and John at the gate after the man was healed. Peter and John spoke in Jesus name. After they said "why do you look at us as if we did this by our own power? That name faith in that name healed this man". We did notice there that they never asked Jesus to heal this poor man or lord hear us today as we pray for....". They hello you and me were given that authority and power. Now some forget this and think they have authority power over man over other believers.. you don't.

So yeah the gifts.. aka He is alive and well .. all one has to do is believe. Christ never asked for them to repent first. These signs shall follow them that believe. Not my words.. I just take Him at His word no matter what I see hear or feel I believe. If I doubt.. I will see none of these things. He will not go against mans will. At 18 or so.. woman up front.. jumping kinda screaming crying.. seems IN JESUE NAME.. she was no longer blind. Still happening me at the age of 63
:) Praise you Jesus! Although my avatar is a blast from the past, , 68yr-old here, baptized 50yr ago after a believing wilderness walk of 13yrs. So, glad for all the believing flock amongst us! Bless them mightily Lord!
 

ZNP

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Hi PAC-fit, I am glad you are here on CC and as far so I know I generally agree with you. But I have a hard time figuring out what you are saying because your writing style is as if Yoda had a baby with Shakespear which was wet-nursed by Patrick Henry.
“The time for waiting, it is no more, yea! The chains, we behold them, most foul. In shadows they doth creep, binding us in bondage, they do. Freedom, sweet liberty, most precious it is! Yet in darkness, we cannot remain. Fight we must, or forever in chains, we shall be.

Fear, our foe it is. Trust in it, we may not. Softly, the tyrant cometh. Slowly, he creeps, stealing our will. But rise, we must! Strong in heart, we must be, hmmm!

For liberty, we strive, yea? Or death, we meet, yea? Choose we must—freedom or the grave. The cost of inaction, grievous it is. Slavery, worse than death, it is, hmm?

What wait we for? The hour, it is now. The flame of rebellion, kindle it, we shall. Speak of peace, the tyrant doth. Peace, false it is, for under it, chains we wear!

Now, my brothers, hearken! The choice before us, clear it is! Liberty, we take, or death, we embrace. In freedom’s name, we stand, or crushed we shall be. The path, though steep, in freedom’s light we tread. If die we must, then die with honor we will.

Give me liberty... or give me death!”