Are giants the offspring of angels and humans?

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The LXX has an interesting rendition of Deuteronomy 32:43 in which both angels and sons of God are mentioned, but the difference between the two is obvious, ie, men aren't in heaven and angels blood isn't shed (which they probably don't have anyway)

Rejoice ye heavens with him and let all the angels of God worship him; rejoice ye Gentiles, with his people, and let all the sons of God strengthen themselves in him for he will avenge the blood of his sons, and he will render vengeance, and recompense justice to his enemies, and will reward them that hate him; and the Lord shall purge the land of his people. Deuteronomy 32:43
 
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The LXX has angels of God, so again since both are scripture and don't agree, neither are conclusive.
It appears that you are trying to find "conclusive" evidence in a single verse. Allow me to remind you of Psalm 119:160:

The sum of your word is truth, and every one of your righteous rules endures forever.

I did a deeper study on that one day. It means that God's truth is found when you put His word all together.
 

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It could mean that Noah and his sons recounted how pagans of their time believed their rulers were the offspring of angels and women mating together. Not that it actually happened, but that's what they believed
That is not even good....

You don't know when it's wise to quit.
 
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It appears that you are trying to find "conclusive" evidence in a single verse. Allow me to remind you of Psalm 119:160:

The sum of your word is truth, and every one of your righteous rules endures forever.

I did a deeper study on that one day. It means that God's truth is found when you put His word all together.
No I didn't present that as being conclusive. I posted it because it's an interesting distinction made in the same song that you think says sons of God (verse 8). I doubt Moses would have mixed two incompatible ideas in the same song

When the Most High divided the nations, when he separated the sons of Adam, he set the bounds of the nations according to the number of the angels of God. Deuteronomy 32:8
Rejoice, ye heavens, with him, and let all the angels of God worship him; rejoice ye Gentiles, with his people, and let all the sons of God strengthen themselves in him; for he will avenge the blood of his sons, and he will render vengeance, and recompense justice to his enemies, and will reward them that hate him; and the Lord shall purge the land of his people. Deuteronomy 32:43
 

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"Sons of God". While I don't hold that angels and sons of God are synonymous, they are closer in concept than angels and sons of Israel.
Where do we fin d"Sons of God" in the OT?

Always pertaining to angels....

Why do some fight this so?
Who/what is cheering them on?

Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present
themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them.
And the Lord said unto Satan, Whence comest thou?
Then Satan answered the Lord, and said, From going to and fro
in the earth, and from walking up and down in it." Job 1:6-7


It is really that simple.

But? Those weak in their faith tend to fear a perceived resistance by evil, and to hide themselves they join the resistance.
They being weak can not overcome the evil out their own willed ignorance of God's Word.
Leaving them with the inability to fight the good fight.


Instinctively, they fear being perceived as a threat by the evil.
So they join them. And, fight Christians desiring accurate understanding.



To what were its foundations fastened?
Or who laid its cornerstone,
When the morning stars sang together,
And all the sons of God shouted for joy?
Job 38:6-7​


Some of us must face those who became draft dodgers in God's calling on their life!
Cowards in the face of evil.....

Grace and Truth ..........
 

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Still waiting for your explanation why God created angels with the ability to reproduce
Those who want to know for spiritual edification I will explain it to.
Watch to see if anyone does qualify.
Then you will get my answer by proxy...

In the mean while....
Those pearls are staying where they belong.

Do you really want to know?
Or, is it just curiosity, and wanting to see what you can invent to try to counter it?

So far. You do not come across as being ingenuous.


In Christ ................
 
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Where do we fin d"Sons of God" in the OT?
Always pertaining to angels....
Why do some fight this so?
Who/what is cheering them on?
Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them.And the Lord said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the Lord, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it." Job 1:6-7

It is really that simple.
The LXX has angels of God in all occurrences in Job. The LXX is scripture as much as the MT is
 
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Those who want to know for spiritual edification I will explain it to.
Watch to see if anyone does qualify.
Then you will get my answer by proxy...
In the mean while....
Those pearls are staying where they belong.
Do you really want to know?
Or, is it just curiosity, and wanting to see what you can invent to try to counter it?
So far. You do not come across as being ingenuous.
In Christ ................
So in other words you can't explain it
 

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When the Most High divided the nations, when he separated the sons of Adam, he set the bounds of the nations according to the number of the angels of God. Deuteronomy 32:8
As the nations will be divided and delegated to Christians who qualify to reign with the Lord for the Millennium?
So it was done for faithful angels that qualified to watch over nations during the OT days.

Who were the angels watching over Israel?

According to the Bible, the archangels Gabriel and Michael are the guardian angels of Israel. They protect the Israelites from the angels of other nations.



“At that time Michael, the great prince who protects your people, will arise.
There will be a time of distress such as has not happened from the beginning
of nations until then. But at that time your people—everyone whose name is
found written in the book—will be delivered."

Daniel 12:1
 

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So in other words you can't explain it
Can?
Yes.

To you?
That's a different question.

Go find someone else to invent roadblocks against.
I'm keep my pearls where the Lord commanded me to under such circumstances.

I am looking to answer for someone who really wants to know to make them stronger than they were before.

You need to outgrow what you find yourself in now.
Or, lose.
 

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I don't think they were the faithful angels. Every nation had its own god and they weren't YHWH
You really have a limited context to what you throw.

The nations having "gods" were still existing according to how God delegated them to angels.
Keep in mind.
When the Jews were worshipping pagan gods in Jeremiah's day... Gabriel was still overseeing the nation.
Gabriel appeared to Daniel during those days.
 
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No I didn't present that as being conclusive.
Miss the point much?

I posted it because it's an interesting distinction made in the same song that you think says sons of God (verse 8). I doubt Moses would have mixed two incompatible ideas in the same song

When the Most High divided the nations, when he separated the sons of Adam, he set the bounds of the nations according to the number of the angels of God. Deuteronomy 32:8
Rejoice, ye heavens, with him, and let all the angels of God worship him; rejoice ye Gentiles, with his people, and let all the sons of God strengthen themselves in him; for he will avenge the blood of his sons, and he will render vengeance, and recompense justice to his enemies, and will reward them that hate him; and the Lord shall purge the land of his people. Deuteronomy 32:43
What you presented doesn't undermine my position in the least. I am claiming that "sons of Israel" is the incorrect translation. That the nations were divided according to the number of the "angels of God" is compatible with my position.
 
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Can?
Yes.
To you?
That's a different question.
Go find someone else to invent roadblocks against.
I'm keep my pearls where the Lord commanded me to under such circumstances.
I am looking to answer for someone who really wants to know to make them stronger than they were before.
You need to outgrow what you find yourself in now.
Or, lose.
Sigh, if I only had your gnosis
 
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Miss the point much?

What you presented doesn't undermine my position in the least. I am claiming that "sons of Israel" is the incorrect translation. That the nations were divided according to the number of the "angels of God" is compatible with my position.
It really boils down to whether you believe the MT is accurate or the LXX is in Job and Deuteronomy. In this particular case I think the LXX has the right rendition because the scriptural evidence for it is much stronger.