God had given us a commandment the Tithes & Offerings. How people today followed the commandment?

[Beckworth]

DEUTORONOMY 14:22-23

22 Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year.

23 And thou shalt eat before the Lord thy God, in the place which he shall choose to place his name there, the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstlings of thy herds and of thy flocks; that thou mayest learn to fear the Lord thy God always.

This is a commandment given only to the Jews. This was never a commandment for Gentiles, unless they converted to Judaism.

Galations 5:3 says if you keep one part of the (Jewish) law, like circumcision, you must keep it all. Judaism is still a religion today, but it denies Christ as the Son of God. Tithing is part of that law. So if you are going to tithe, you must also practice circumcision as a religious law,, keep their Sabbaths, feast days and the whole law. Christ gave us a new law that is for everyone—Jew and Gentile alike. The Old Testament law was only for Jews and their converts. The instruction in 1 Corinthians 16:1-2 is part of the new law of Christ and is for Christians. I am not a Jew. I do not keep any part of that old Jewish law. Paul says in Galations 5:4 that is you try to be saved by that old law, you are “fallen from grace.”

 

[lrs68]

I am not convinced that one must only give, or at least the first 10%, to the church. While I believe one should give to the church, how much one chooses to give to the church versus other areas should be based on level of urgency, and I do not believe that is cheating God. Of course, there is a difference between giving to the poor/needy versus donating to climate change research. I think the money should go to where there is more immediate need. A lot of churches, especially megachurches, have reserves. If the roof leaks, that would be the time to give more to the church due to the urgency.

I am not giving to the Church even though the Church is who is getting the money. I am giving it to God.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Tithes were not an income tax and they were not money. Tithes could be converted into money for ease of transport to Jerusalem, but a 20% surcharge was added on.

 

[lrs68]

Abram did not tithe on his own money or goods. Jacob promised but there is no record that he fulfilled the promise.

God commanded circumcision well before the law was established and that’s not required of Christians.

I have no issue with your financial practices (they are your own business) but you haven’t presented a biblical justification for tithing.

The spoils became Abrams money but he gave 10% as a Tithe and like Jacob committed and even though it's not written I believe he kept his commitment to God.... I would also bet Abram tithed before he met Melchizedek since he just up and gives 10%

But it really is how you want to see it. And a commitment to God with the finances just goes beyond the daily walk in God. Abram and Jacob chose to make that commitment and they were greatly blessed. Most Tithes and Offerings givers I am familiar with have their needs met and have a little bit of comfort where those I am aware of that doesn't tithe seem to struggle more.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

The spoils became Abrams money but he gave 10% as a Tithe and like Jacob committed and even though it's not written I believe he kept his commitment to God.... I would also bet Abram tithed before he met Melchizedek since he just up and gives 10%

Jacob never inherited the land so there was no way he could have given 10% of it's increase to God. His heirs did though and were required to fulfill his vow.

 

[Rufflebug]

Christianity does not and never did understand that there are two eras: the old and the new. With Christ’s ascension, God drew a line in the sand. The old era, including the four Jewish Gospels about the Jews, was rendered obsolete. Water baptism, discipleship, worship, and more, including tithing, belong to the old era. Tithing has never in the history of the world applied to Gentiles of any kind. It was totally Jewish, and nowhere in the Bible will you find anything to the contrary. God in Christ opened a new era: the Age of Grace. God in Christ gave the world His new gospel message through the Apostle Paul. It is not Paul’s words you read in the Bible but the words of God to us in a new and different time. Nowhere in Paul’s epistles—God’s gospel to a new age—do you find the concept of tithing or evangelism and much more. Sadly, Christianity has always ignored God through Paul’s epistles just as the Jews ignored God’s prophets, including the Apostle Paul.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Nowhere in Paul’s epistles—God’s gospel to a new age—do you find the concept of tithing or evangelism

And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; Ephesians 4:11​

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But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry. 2 Timothy 4:5​

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Evangelist
G2099 εὐαγγελιστής euaggelistes (ev-an-ğe-liy-stees') n.
a proclaimer of the good news of redemption through Jesus

 

[Rufflebug]

God has and does call people to evangelize and missionize. The three mentions of "evangelist" in the Bible does not give anyone and everyone the right to take a false gospel, a false Jesus, a false spirit, and a false god into the world―tongues, Mormons, Jehovah’s Witnesses, et cetera. No where in the Bible does God in Christ through Paul give a broad command to the Gentile world to evangelize anyone.

 

[Dino246]

The spoils became Abrams money but he gave 10% as a Tithe

It wasn't "money"; it was goods, and as "tithe" literally means "one tenth", saying "10% as a Tithe" is redundant. By the way, there isn't even one example of "tithing" money in Scripture, nor is there any example of "tithing" on income; only on increase. They aren't the same thing.

and like Jacob committed and even though it's not written I believe he kept his commitment to God....

That's fine, but the absence of record of him doing so means you can't use his case as evidence that Christians are to "tithe".

I would also bet Abram tithed before he met Melchizedek since he just up and gives 10%

Again, what you "would bet" is not evidence. To whom would Abram have tithed his money or goods? There was no established priesthood, no temple or tabernacle, no primary location to worship God.

But it really is how you want to see it.

Um, no, for me it's based on what is actually written in the Bible, considered in its own context.

And a commitment to God with the finances just goes beyond the daily walk in God. Abram and Jacob chose to make that commitment and they were greatly blessed.

You're proposing a causal connection between "tithing" and being blessed. Was Abram blessed before or after he tithed to Melchizedek? I suggest you read chapters 12 and 13 carefully. Was Jacob blessed before or after he promised to tithe? Again, look at the preceding text carefully.

Most Tithes and Offerings givers I am familiar with have their needs met and have a little bit of comfort where those I am aware of that doesn't tithe seem to struggle more.

Sorry, non-specific anecdotes aren't evidentiary; they only serve to buttress already-held beliefs. That's also called "confirmation bias".

The Scripture is clear: "Give, and it will be given to you." It does not say, "Tithe, and it will be given to you."

 

[lrs68]

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Tithe was established before the Law.
Logically speaking, anyone who believes in God should be grateful to give to God who saved us.

 

[MsMediator]

I am not giving to the Church even though the Church is who is getting the money. I am giving it to God.

Yes that counts as giving money to God, just as I believe giving to other charity causes. Similarly, volunteering in church food bank is service to God, just as volunteering in the county food bank.

 

[lrs68]

Yes that counts as giving money to God, just as I believe giving to other charity causes. Similarly, volunteering in church food bank is service to God, just as volunteering in the county food bank.

Amen!

 

[Rufflebug]

Every mention above is from the old era about the Jews for our information: descriptive, not prescriptive. You cannot bring the old era into the new era―new wine new wineskins. The “give” reference is old era as well, Jesus speaking to the Jews who never in the history of mankind had the indwelling Spirit.

 

[lrs68]

Every mention above is from the old era about the Jews for our information: descriptive, not prescriptive. You cannot bring the old era into the new era―new wine new wineskins. The “give” reference is old era as well, Jesus speaking to the Jews who never in the history of mankind had the indwelling Spirit.

The Old is a reflection of the New.

 

[Dino246]

^
Tithe was established before the Law.
Logically speaking, anyone who believes in God should be grateful to give to God who saved us.

Circumcision was established before the Law as well. "Logically speaking", none of us males should pretend to be in right relationship with God unless we've been snipped.

Tithing as a requirement was NOT established prior to the Law (circumcision was!).

 

[Rufflebug]

God in Christ in His new gospel to man through Paul in the new era never asks for your money. There is no mention of any such thing to the Gentile world. Giving today because "God said we must give" is simply not part of the New Age of Grace. Those who give money because they believe God requires giving are following a law of their own making.

 

[wolfwint]

DEUTORONOMY 14:22-23

22 Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year.

23 And thou shalt eat before the Lord thy God, in the place which he shall choose to place his name there, the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstlings of thy herds and of thy flocks; that thou mayest learn to fear the Lord thy God always.

Maby you should read Acts 15.

 

[Rufflebug]

The old is the old and God did away with the law and the Jews in the new era with His gift of His indwelling Spirit. The old is not a reflection of the new. That is not a biblical concept. It is something someone made up to justify following old era traditions that do not belong in the New Age of Grace.

 

[Rufflebug]

What does Acts 15 have to do with the topic? The DEUTORONOMY 14:22-23 verse has nothing to do with the Gentiles. It is Jewish history of the old era and does not carry over to the new era.

 

[wolfwint]

What does Acts 15 have to do with the topic? The DEUTORONOMY 14:22-23 verse has nothing to do with the Gentiles. It is Jewish history of the old era and does not carry over to the new era.

The topic writer, wrote that Deutoronomy 14, 22-23 is for us today. If he wrote to jews he maby right. If he wrote to Christians he is not.
And so far I know CC is a Christian site.