God had given us a commandment the Tithes & Offerings. How people today followed the commandment?
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And? You implied that because there is an example of tithing prior to the law, that it's somehow valid today. I refuted your point with the example of circumcision, which was commanded prior to the Law, yet is not valid today. 
Tithes on the other hand still result the same as it did when Abram tithed.
Wolfwint, I don't understand your post. I mentioned that Deuteronomy is about Jews, not Gentiles. It is what happened, not what is happening today in this Age of Grace. You will also read about animal sacrifice, temples, worship, and circumcision throughout the Old Testament and the four Jewish Gospels that belong to the same old era. Animal sacrifice and the rest is not for today nor is the tithe to the tribe of Levi. God replaced all of this in the Age of Grace with His gift of His indwelling Spirit―God’s spiritual DNA in us―and our adoption as the children of God. I think smart Christians do have a place on this site.
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No one should have to push or beg for money for the church. If you are part of a church you should be giving as much as God has blessed you to give.
Sorry, not trying to pick apart your story, but it's not "our" money, every blessing we have comes from God.
That's a wonderful end to the story!! God brought you into agreement! I believe God blesses us when we give, not always with material things. But He will bless givers.
Sorry, not trying to pick apart your story, but it's not "our" money, every blessing we have comes from God.
That's a wonderful end to the story!! God brought you into agreement! I believe God blesses us when we give, not always with material things. But He will bless givers.
You're welcome to contribute 10% of your income if you choose, but there simply is no biblical warrant to do so.
You are partially correct. We are not under that old Jewish law that requires tithing—that is, unless you are a Jew Practicing the religion of Judaism. Christ brought a new law for everyone—Jew and Gentile alike when He died on the cross. And there is an abundant amount of scripture that proves this. Look at these scriptures:
Hebrews 7:12- the law (for Christians) has been changed.
Hebrews 7:18-the old law has been “annulled” and something “BETTER” has been brought in.
Hebrews 6:7-13-He took away the first covenant (testament) and established the SECOND (covenant (testament) which he says is a “NEW COVENANT” testament. He made the first one OBSOLETE, and old and it is VANISHING AWAY!!!
Hebrews 10:9-“He takes away the first so that He might establish the second.”
Hebrews 10:19-we enter the holiest, “by the blood of Jesus, by a new and living way.”
Galations 2:16- A man is not justified ( saved) by the works of the law (old testament, Jewish law), but by faith in Jesus Christ.
Galations 3:10, 11, 13-those who practice the old law are under a curse. That no one is saved by the old law is evident. Jesus Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the old law.
The purpose of the old testament law is in Galations 3:19, and 24. He says the old Jewish law ( including tithing) was a “tutor” to bring us to Christ. But now that Christ has come, we are NO LONGER UNDER A TUTOR. That specifically says we are no longer under that old law!! We are no longer required to tithe.
Verse 26, now we are ALL—Jew and Gentile alike—ONE in Christ. Verse 28, “For you are all one in Christ Jesus.”
Colossians 2:14- Christ took away the old law, with all of its sabbaths, feast days, new moons, festivals, dietary restrictions—yes, and “tithing” and “ nailed them to his cross.”
So, now, don’t let anyone “judge” you concerning “tithing.” The new law of Christ teaches us in 1 Corinthians 16:1-2 that Christian’s in Christ’s Church are to give money into a “collection” on the first day of the week “AS WE HAVE BEEN PROSPERED.” No percentage is required. If you have been prospered a lot, your offering would be more than the man who has not prospered very much. It’s on the honor system and places the responsibility squarely on our shoulders to be honest with God—who knows our situation.
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Then the problem comes as to what a "reasonable" salary is. Should he make as much as the richest in the congregation, he is on call 24/7, or the middle class in the congregation? Interesting question.
Because many people want to fellowship with other believers, and the Bible talks about assembling together. I grew up in church and many of my most cherished memories have to do with going to church as a family.
Most churches don't have missionaries anymore. Our church still does. I enjoy when they come to speak and tell what God is doing around the world. I'd say people would be more moved to give in person, but you may be right.
Really?! How much do Christians spend on entertainment? I looked at some quick stats that say 5-10% of church attendees are committed givers. The average donation by adults who attend U.S. Protestant churches is about $17 a week. 37% of people who attend church every week and identify themselves as Evangelical don’t give any money to their church. I think that's a pretty poor attitude toward the work of the Lord. When you spend more money on your meal after the service then you put in the offering plate, there's a heart issue you need to change.
Because many people want to fellowship with other believers, and the Bible talks about assembling together. I grew up in church and many of my most cherished memories have to do with going to church as a family.
Most churches don't have missionaries anymore. Our church still does. I enjoy when they come to speak and tell what God is doing around the world. I'd say people would be more moved to give in person, but you may be right.
Really?! How much do Christians spend on entertainment? I looked at some quick stats that say 5-10% of church attendees are committed givers. The average donation by adults who attend U.S. Protestant churches is about $17 a week. 37% of people who attend church every week and identify themselves as Evangelical don’t give any money to their church. I think that's a pretty poor attitude toward the work of the Lord. When you spend more money on your meal after the service then you put in the offering plate, there's a heart issue you need to change.
Tithing still happens, but now in the heart
Christians in the church of Christ are now governed by 1 Corinthians 16:1-2. Where The Spirit tells us to give into a “collection” of the churches, on the first day of the week, “AS YOU HAVE BEEN PROSPERED.” No tithing there.
The Holy Spirit warns that if you go back to that Old Testament law to try to be saved, like tithing, “YOU ARE FALLEN FROM GRACE!”
You don't think that before you spend your pay check you should give to the church? Whatever amount you give? I believe in regular church giving. I regularly pay my phone bill, my cable bill etc. why not the church? Stats show that 5-10% are carrying the burden of the churches finances. I believe if you attend a church you should support it. If God loves a cheerful giver, why wouldn't the church be one of the first places you give?
You're missing the point completely.
I said nothing whatsoever about "not giving to the local church". I said nothing whatsoever about "not supporting your local church".
My point is this: "tithing" is NOT "giving". They are not the same thing in the Bible. Many modern Christians have erroneously conflated the concepts, so they make the same error you have just made, assuming (quite wrongly) that "not tithing" = "not giving".
Scripture does not instruct Christians to "tithe". It instructs Christians to give. Tithing (under the Law) was not voluntary; Israelites were commanded to surrender a tenth of their crops and every tenth animal to the Levites, who then gave the best tenth to the priests. Tithing of money was never commanded, either of the Israelites, or of Christians.
I said nothing whatsoever about "not giving to the local church". I said nothing whatsoever about "not supporting your local church".
My point is this: "tithing" is NOT "giving". They are not the same thing in the Bible. Many modern Christians have erroneously conflated the concepts, so they make the same error you have just made, assuming (quite wrongly) that "not tithing" = "not giving".
Scripture does not instruct Christians to "tithe". It instructs Christians to give. Tithing (under the Law) was not voluntary; Israelites were commanded to surrender a tenth of their crops and every tenth animal to the Levites, who then gave the best tenth to the priests. Tithing of money was never commanded, either of the Israelites, or of Christians.
You're missing the point completely.
I said nothing whatsoever about "not giving to the local church". I said nothing whatsoever about "not supporting your local church".
My point is this: "tithing" is NOT "giving". They are not the same thing in the Bible. Many modern Christians have erroneously conflated the concepts, so they make the same error you have just made, assuming (quite wrongly) that "not tithing" = "not giving".
Scripture does not instruct Christians to "tithe". It instructs Christians to give. Tithing (under the Law) was not voluntary; Israelites were commanded to surrender a tenth of their crops and every tenth animal to the Levites, who then gave the best tenth to the priests. Tithing of money was never commanded, either of the Israelites, or of Christians.
I said nothing whatsoever about "not giving to the local church". I said nothing whatsoever about "not supporting your local church".
My point is this: "tithing" is NOT "giving". They are not the same thing in the Bible. Many modern Christians have erroneously conflated the concepts, so they make the same error you have just made, assuming (quite wrongly) that "not tithing" = "not giving".
Scripture does not instruct Christians to "tithe". It instructs Christians to give. Tithing (under the Law) was not voluntary; Israelites were commanded to surrender a tenth of their crops and every tenth animal to the Levites, who then gave the best tenth to the priests. Tithing of money was never commanded, either of the Israelites, or of Christians.
Ok, I got you, I think. lol Having been in ministry and seeing a lot of pastors and wives suffering to make ends meet it's a thing that bothers me. On the other side of that, I'm not for these churches that have thousands of dollars in their bank accounts either. If the people give, the church out to be having outreaches in the community and missions to make good use of the money. I attend a small country church and they are amazing givers, I believe God has blessed our people because of it.
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