God had given us a commandment the Tithes & Offerings. How people today followed the commandment?

[Edify]

If I only could be a fly upon the wall and know which member of this site pays tithe compared to those who don't and see if those who do have their finances blessed and those who don't are living off assistance

My daughter pays tithes not to the church, but to those in need.
Yes, God blesses her, not for tithing, but for being a cheerful giver.
Tithing IS a commandment, but only in the OT.
I will agree christians still rob God by not giving offerings.

 

[Dino246]

My bias is trusting in what I read in the Bible and applying those same principles to my own life to prove them. I believe you are a liar to claim something works when you have never tested it for yourself. God is not a respecter of persons so if it works for me then why wouldn't it work for someone else?

That’s the reasoning the pastor at a previous church held. Meanwhile he rejected out of hand anyone whose experience was different, as mine was. Instead of questioning his “logic”, he insulted people for not “being faithful” with their finances.

 

[Dino246]

One time I preached a message called "Try God and See!"

The emphasis was if you are struggling to pay bills and have your needs met then try God by paying your tithes for 6 months and see if things improve. There were no reports that God failed and several claimed they got raises and promotions.

There's nothing guilt shaming about trying God and seeing if He keeps His word.

There is folly in testing God to honour to you a promise that He didn’t make to you.

 

[lrs68]

There is folly in testing God to honour to you a promise that He didn’t make to you.

The entire Bible is for me and every believer.

 

[lrs68]

That’s the reasoning the pastor at a previous church held. Meanwhile he rejected out of hand anyone whose experience was different, as mine was. Instead of questioning his “logic”, he insulted people for not “being faithful” with their finances.

I am nobody to know the mind of God but I am someone who knows doing things according to the goodness of the heart has resulted in the blessings of God.

I refer back to my original post: Who gave me my skills, my health to work, and my employment besides supplying my normal needs and blessing me abundantly?

God did.

I give joyfully not because it's a chore.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

There is the broad road and the narrow Gate. There are those who will never turn to God. Many will do their religious works in the name of a false Jesus. God through Paul does present election and calling. God does know who will turn to Him and who will not. The problem is that religion decides to ignore God by ignoring Paul and following what they want to believe that is not in the Bible including a non biblical emphasis on missions and evangelizing while spreading a false gospel and a false Jesus. These are all biblical facts you can read at your leisure. What you choose to do with these facts is up to you.

No, I get it, you're here to proselytize your Grace Movement or Mid Acts whatever. If you want to discuss that, start a thread and we'll get into it, but just be honest about it. Of course God knows the future, but He doesn't choose for us.

No. That is what the Bible says. That a religion you do not like believes this or that is of no consequence. I am a child of God and belong to none of these. Truth is truth.

There is only one religion based on Christ, that is Christianity.

No. There are many different religions that claim the name Christian that believe many different things and worship and follow many different God's and many different versions of Jesus, or Mary, or pray to statues, or follow a demonic spirit and babble. Mormonism claims Christianity as do the Snake Handlers, the JW's, the Holiness Movement, the Amish, those who accept and promote what God calls perverse and wicked, and Catholicism that is pure ritual and superstition and has nothing what-so-ever to do with the Bible.
There are so many religions that claim the name Christian that the word no longer has meaning. No one can call themselves Christian without clarification as to what Christianity means to them, what they believe, and what they worship. Multitudes of these Christian beliefs do not align with the Bible in any way, simply using Bible words out of context to create the things people choose to believe -- boot-strapping as we discussed. We have had 500 years of this. You follow a religion that does not align with the religions mentioned above. Just because someone utters the words God or Jesus does not make them right, true, biblical, or legitimate. The word has become anything a person wants to believe. There is one truth. Paul says, "Test Yourself."

None of those are Christian. Mormons and JWs, snake handlers are cults, I don't consider them a religion.

 

[Genez]

DEUTORONOMY 14:22-23

22 Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year.

23 And thou shalt eat before the Lord thy God, in the place which he shall choose to place his name there, the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstlings of thy herds and of thy flocks; that thou mayest learn to fear the Lord thy God always.

Israel was a theocracy.
Tithing was national income tax.

Tithing was commanded by law of all citizens under the Levitical priesthood.
That meant, unbelievers were to tithe, as well as believers.

Tithing was not spiritual giving.
It was government.

In the church we are all believer priests.
We are told we are to give according to what we decide upon in our own hearts.

Each of you should give what you have decided in your heart to give, ​

not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver."​

​

2 Corinthians 9:7​

grace and peace ...........

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

You asked him?

Did I ask you?

 

[Rufflebug]

you're here to proselytize your Grace Movement or Mid Acts whatever.

No. As mentioned, I am a child of God in the Body of Christ without affiliation. You have not heard me say such a thing. The discussion began with the tithe. Answering questions, we wound up here. I will gladly continue our discussion, or just stop responding.

There is only one religion based on Christ, that is Christianity.

True. Christianity is a second century religion that did not have a Bible then and did not get a Bible for 1600 years. When they did get a Bible, because of their Catholic upbringing, they had no idea what the Bible said and that is where we are today in Protestantism. Through tradition, the religion carried on to what we have today. As such, Christianity was always about the obsolete Old Testament Jewish Gospels about the Jews, a worship style religion in an era without worship, and the Jewish Jesus who came only to the Jews and never in the history of the world had anything to do with the Gentiles. Christianity was always a religion looking back to the old era, completely missing the Age of Grace and our relationship with God.

It was God through Paul that gave us the mystery of the indwelling Spirit and our relationship with Him. The Body of Christ is a relationship without the old-era worship and is not a religion at all.

Christianity, from its inception, was never a biblical religion and always followed non-biblical doctrines without God.

None of those are Christian. Mormons and JWs, snake handlers are cults, I don't consider them a religion.

That's the point. They do, and they call themselves Christians, as do the Pres USA, who promote homo sex, and the Charismatics, who promote the false gospels of Money for Money, the Word of Faith, Name-it-Claim-it, the Health and Wealth Prosperity Movement, and other similar scams focused on separating people from their money, following an Acts 2 verse taken badly out of context in tongues that began in 1901 and focused on a spirit that has nothing to do with God or the Bible—and they call themselves Christians. Yet this religion is no more valid biblically than the snake handlers, the Shakers, the Amish, the Mormons, the JWs, and the rest. Everyone calls themselves a Christian. These are all unique religions, not derivatives of a religion one would call denominations.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

Judging hearts is a dangerous business.

" When you spend more money on your meal after the service then you put in the offering plate, there's a heart issue you need to change."

I didn't direct this at any one person. It's an attitude of the heart when Christians spend more on entertainment then giving to the ministry and work of the Lord.

 

[NightTwister]

Did I ask you?

It's an open forum. If you'd prefer I don't respond to your comments just say so.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

It's an open forum. If you'd prefer I don't respond to your comments just say so.

No, up to you. I just swung back at your lob.

 

[Dino246]

I am nobody to know the mind of God but I am someone who knows doing things according to the goodness of the heart has resulted in the blessings of God.

I refer back to my original post: Who gave me my skills, my health to work, and my employment besides supplying my normal needs and blessing me abundantly?

God did.

I give joyfully not because it's a chore.

Who said anything about it being a chore? It sounds to me that you're making up strawman arguments rather than merely trying to defend your position.

 

[Dino246]

Christianity is a second century religion that did not have a Bible then and did not get a Bible for 1600 years.

I'm guessing you fell asleep in Church history class.

 

[NightTwister]

No, up to you. I just swung back at your lob.

My response was a legitimate question.

 

[maxwel]

DEUTORONOMY 14:22-23

23 And thou shalt eat before the Lord thy God, in the place which he shall choose to place his name there, the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstlings of thy herds and of thy flocks; that thou mayest learn to fear the Lord thy God always.

I never refuse God a portion of my corn, wine, oil, and flocks.

.

 

[Dino246]

The entire Bible is for me and every believer.

Do you stone adulterers? Do you attend the Temple three times a year? Do you sacrifice a lamb after committing a sin? Did you kill all of the Canaanites? Did you bang your arrows seven times on the ground?

Did you go out two by two throughout Israel? Have you gone over to Macedonia to preach? Have you brought Paul his scrolls and his cloak? Has Tychicus told you everything? Have you passed along Paul's greetings to Nympha and the church in her house?

All "No," I'm certain.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

No. As mentioned, I am a child of God in the Body of Christ without affiliation. You have not heard me say such a thing. The discussion began with the tithe. Answering questions, we wound up here. I will gladly continue our discussion, or just stop responding.

Mid-Acts dispensationalism sees the Day of Pentecost as still part of the dispensation of Law; the “church” in the first part of Acts was a Jewish congregation under Jewish rules, not the church of the church age. According to mid-Acts dispensationalism, or Pauline dispensationalism, the church began with the ministry of the apostle Paul in either Acts 9 (Paul’s conversion) or Acts 13

Mid-Acts dispensationalism or the Grace Movement sees the apostles Peter, James, John, and the rest as still operating under the Old Covenant in Acts 1—8. They were still dutifully keeping the Law and still meeting as a Jewish body in Jerusalem. Peter and the other apostles preached repentance to Israel, but the church age had not yet begun. It was Paul, the “apostle to the Gentiles” (Romans 11:13), to whom the doctrine of the church—and the doctrine of grace—was revealed. It was only after Paul began to minister that the church age actually began. Thus, the only parts of the New Testament that are specifically for the church are the Pauline Epistles. The rest of the New Testament is only directly applicable to Christian living in the way that the Old Testament is. Truth can be learned from it, but it was not written to Christians.

Most mid-Acts dispensationalists deny the need for water baptism today. The Grace Movement teaches that water baptism was a Jewish rite and that Jesus’ command in Matthew 28:19 is not for the church
Mid-Acts dispensationalism makes a distinction between a “gospel of circumcision,” taught by Peter, and a “gospel of uncircumcision,” taught by Paul, based on Galatians 2:7.

Mid-Acts dispensationalism or the Grace Movement implies there are different gospels, a gospel of the kingdom taught by Peter and a gospel of grace taught by Paul.

You're sure this is not what you believe?

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

I never refuse God a portion of my corn, wine, oil, and flocks.

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You have flocks?

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

My response was a legitimate question.

Ever hear the saying " if it walks like a duck"? There's your answer.