Are giants the offspring of angels and humans?

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Because the fall of angels had two phases of falling.

The angels in Genesis 6 were not fallen until they decided to take the beautiful women.

Satan and his angels always need to ask permission before doing anything for testing.
Even with Job, the Lord needed to grant permission to Satan.

But, it was unfallen angels that had a position, not having to ask permission first.
For if permission had been asked for? No punishment would have followed.

But it says that these angels have been severely punished. They were angels until they fell.
For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into hell and committed
them to chains of gloomy darkness to be kept until the judgment." 2 Pe 2:4​

There was a reason God allowed for them to remain with Him for a season, and to later fall.
For their weakness that led to their sin is also a glaring weakness to be found in many of mankind today.
Will explain that if you wish.
Interesting .. I am sure I have a rebuttal somewhere, let me think. :unsure:
 
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Book of Enoch

9 And behold! He cometh with ten thousands of His holy ones to execute judgement upon all, And to destroy all the ungodly: And to convict all flesh Of all the works of their ungodliness which they have ungodly committed, And of all the hard things which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him

Book of Jude

14 Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about them: “See, the Lord is coming with thousands upon thousands of his holy ones 15 to judge everyone, and to convict all of them of all the ungodly acts they have committed in their ungodliness, and of all the defiant words ungodly sinners have spoken against him.”[e] 16 These people are grumblers and faultfinders; they follow their own evil desires; they boast about themselves and flatter others for their own advantage.

No doubt Jude was quoting the Book of Enoch which makes it authentic and reliable
Do you realize the copy they found was only a few percent complete though ? We don’t even know what most of Enoch’s books say it’s all guess work

and so you believe there were four hundred fifty foot giants who ate all the trees and animals and people ? And they are the result of angels breeding with human women ?
 

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Do you realize the copy they found was only a few percent complete though ? We don’t even know what most of Enoch’s books say it’s all guess work

and so you believe there were four hundred fifty foot giants who ate all the trees and animals and people ? And they are the result of angels breeding with human women ?
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I do

Jude commented on the book of Enoch even in first chapter. And Enoch was of the 7th generation.

Most likely who built the pyramids.

I have no doubt some angels mated with women of the earth.

If christians were wise they would know who evil spirits are
 
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I do

Jude commented on the book of Enoch even in first chapter. And Enoch was of the 7th generation.

Most likely who built the pyramids.

I have no doubt some angels mated with women of the earth.
Ok just wondering
 

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Interesting .. I am sure I have a rebuttal somewhere, let me think. :unsure:

Often when people vote for someone, there will always be those who look at both sides and go with the majority vote.
They can not really see the issues to be understood and live by the motto, "safety in numbers."

Well?

Satan only got one third of the angels to side with him.
Two thirds stayed with the Lord! A majority.

Within the two thirds?
Were some angels who simply went with the majority, their hearts not truly with the Lord.

So....

The Lord, knowing this, already had a plan to weed them out at a right time.
Enter - Genesis 6.

That is why Jesus tells us...
“If anyone comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers
and sisters—yes, even their own life—such a person cannot be my disciple." Luke 14:26​

And, the word "hate" in the context was not as malicious as some might assume.
It is like when you hate broccoli and will not eat it if placed on your plate.
It does not mean you are out to destroy broccoli.
It just holds no appeal to you.

Likewise...

When any loved one is placed next to the Lord and wants to win you away from your devotion?
Needing to choose whom you love more?
It will be be no contest. You will hate in comparison oned to the other.

When placed next to the Lord?
Even though you still love them?
They will have no appeal.

To be a disciple...
It is under those circumstances, we are to hate all loved ones who might try to come between us and our love for the Lord.

grace and peace ............
 

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The full Book of Enoch only survives in its entirety in Ge'ez (Ethiopic) translation.

I consider Book of Enoch scripture as well as a hand full of others. When I hear the bible only contains 66 books it has man's hand print all over it for it is a man's number. Antichrist is another example--666. Antichrist is not an angel
 
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The full Book of Enoch only survives in its entirety in Ge'ez (Ethiopic) translation.

I consider Book of Enoch scripture as well as a hand full of others. When I hear the bible only contains 66 books it has man's hand print all over it for it is a man's number. Antichrist is another example--666. Antichrist is not an angel
Well no actual full copy exists but Yep I was just curious no worries carry on
 
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Do you realize the copy they found was only a few percent complete though ? We don’t even know what most of Enoch’s books say it’s all guess work

and so you believe there were four hundred fifty foot giants who ate all the trees and animals and people ? And they are the result of angels breeding with human women ?
Well then there a discrepancy between the Bible that says angels are 144 cubits tall or 216 feet and the book of enoch 450 feet.
 
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Well then there a discrepancy between the Bible that says angels are 144 cubits tall or 216 feet and the book of enoch 450 feet.
I was just wondering if he believed that part of Enoch’s book of watchers i don’t want to get into another debate about this subject . Was curious if he had read the book and if he believed it’s claims wasn’t trying to argue him or anything just curious
 

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A Biblical cubit is roughly 18 inches or 1 and a half feet long.
Multiply 18 x 144 (Bible reference) = 2592 feet
 

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A biblical cubit is generally considered to be around 18 inches long, based on the measurement from the elbow to the tip of the middle finger.
 

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A Biblical cubit is roughly 18 inches or 1 and a half feet long.
Multiply 18 x 144 (Bible reference) = 2592 feet
Actually that's 2592 inches then divided by 12 (foot long) = 216

I was trying to help post #609 but forgot to do all of the Mathematics.
 

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Actually, the Book of Enoch originally probably did not say how tall the giants were. Contrary to Charles, Schodde, and Laurence, Enoch 7:2 contains a scribal corruption in the Ethiopic.

On this point, I agree with some modern textual scholars that the Greek version of Enoch 7:2 is closer to the original.

Nickelsburg/Vanderkam translates verse 2 from a Greek text which says nothing about the height of the giants:

“And they conceived from them and bore to them great giants. And the giants begot Nephilim, and to the Nephilim were born Elioud- and they were growing in accordance with their greatness”.

Bottom line is, originally, the Book of Enoch very likely did not say how tall the giants were
 

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Giants would be the Watchers or now known as the Fallen Angels.
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In the NT we get the word angel from the root words Holy Ones, whether fallen or faithful angels. Also from the root word Holy Ones also we get the word saints.
 

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Jude 1: 6 And the angels who did not keep their positions of authority but abandoned their proper dwelling—these he has kept in darkness, bound with everlasting chains for judgment on the great Day.

Rev 9: 13 The sixth angel sounded his trumpet, and I heard a voice coming from the four horns of the golden altar that is before God. 14 It said to the sixth angel who had the trumpet, “Release the four angels who are bound at the great river Euphrates.” 15 And the four angels who had been kept ready for this very hour and day and month and year were released to kill a third of mankind. 16 The number of the mounted troops was twice ten thousand times ten thousand. I heard their number.

Why are these angels in bondage at the river Euphrates?
 
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Genez, yes angels can get bigger and smaller at will as they are spirits. But Bible only talks about nephilim twice their not of much importance but if they did exist in the way some think. It's likely they are mules and have all died. But I think it's more like what my pastor said that it was of the spirit. Like how born again Christian recieve the holy spirit they received the devils spirit. And like the mother the children were evil.

Now if the line of nephilim line continues down to even today then people would say "I was born evil/this way". But the bible says Jesus came for all.