Preparation for the tribulation.

[GRACE_ambassador]

@greenonions, you seem like a diligent student - have you reviewed this link yet?:

God's Great Grace Departure!

Amen.

 

[GRACE_ambassador]

@greenonions, you seem like a diligent student - have you reviewed this link yet?:
God's Great Grace Departure?

I apologize for the bad link - Corrected: God's Great Grace Departure!

or these:

Evidence for the Pre-Tribulation Rapture (K Lawson)
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Will The Body Of Christ Go Through The Great Tribulation? (CR Stam)

 

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

It is not wrong to warn, correct. But in question of the echatologie. What will come next and when, there are many different meanings. Nobody can say 100% it will come exactly as he it says and every different view is false teaching. I know many acting like this. So to warn to go astray , if you not have my view sounds what?

I'm not sure what you just said....

Anyway, we are to warn of what we do know and understand and how to get through the great tribulation. And that is all we can do, just as the prophets of old did. They warned, but they didn't become hostile towards those who didn't believe. They just left the consequences of their disbelief to God.

 

[greenonions]

1) can not be a postrib rapturebecause the ac kills all refusing the mark.
2 ) both sides believe he comes as a thief
3) one verse ( which does not help you) does not magically void all the pretrib verses.

1) Regarding killing people who will not worship the image of the beast in Revelation 13:15, my thought is that this only applies to people who are physically close to the image of the beast. So people who are geographically far away may not be killed. In any case, the woman flees from the dragon and is able to escape in Revelation 12:14, so the dragon and the beast have limits to whom they can kill. Moreover, Zechariah 14:4-5 indicates there are some people of God who will flee when Jesus comes. These people probably do not follow the beast and they are still alive enough to run.

2) Do you think Jesus comes as a thief for the rapture? If yes, then from Revelation 16:15, Jesus has will come for the rapture after the sixth bowl.

3) We can discuss more in the future.

 

[greenonions]

I apologize for the bad link - Corrected: God's Great Grace Departure!

or these:

Evidence for the Pre-Tribulation Rapture (K Lawson)
+
Will The Body Of Christ Go Through The Great Tribulation? (CR Stam)

Hi GRACE_Ambassador

I did notice an emphasis on the word Departure in all three of your links. I think you are referring to 2 Thessalonians 2:3, where "falling away" is instead interpreted to mean "departure". The word apostasia means "away" + "stand". It is used one other time in the Bible in Acts 21:21, where Paul was accused to teaching Jews to "forsake" Moses. For example, this Greek dictionary does not define apostasia as "departure": https://www.billmounce.com/greek-dictionary/apostasia

Regarding how God deals with Israel and the Church, do you think the founding of the State of Israel in 1948 is God dealing with Israel? If yes, notice that God is still dealing with the Church today. They don't need to be mutually exclusive in time.

Regarding an earth kingdom vs a heavenly kingdom, my hope is be in the New Jerusalem, which will come down from heaven (Rev. 21:2, 11) I assume it will be on the new earth. The New Jerusalem has foundations, which are normally underground. It is still a hope in heaven because the New Jerusalem is still in heaven for now. But it is also a kingdom on the new earth.

 

[BOY]

Well, we will see. BobCarrabio gave good reply. Our teacher in echatologie told us not to argue/quarrel about echatologie items.

Get it right who's arguing I'm rebuking.

 

[BOY]

He IS loving them by warning them not to believe false teaching. The pharisees didn't think Jesus loved them either by the things He said and did.

Thank you soldier. stand up stand up for Jesus ye soldiers of the cross lived high is royal banner we will not suffer loss Much of his love and mercy to you, and blessings for ever my heart goes out to you.

 

[BOY]

Pre-trib / Mid-trib / Post-trib - bla bla bla. The rapture will occur when it's scheduled to occur regardless of our "Theology" about it. Not anyinthin I worry about.

Back in the '70s when "end times" were a hot topic, they were selling "Dehydrated food" so you wouldn't starve during the tribulation. they had 3-1/2 year and 7 year packages, depending on your "theology". They SUGGESTED, though, that you should buy the 7 year package in case your "Theology" was inaccurate. I had a good laugh about that!!!!

Must be hard and uncomfortable sitting on the fence. I hope you remember what Jesus said about being Luke warm

 

[wolfwint]

I'm not sure what you just said....

Anyway, we are to warn of what we do know and understand and how to get through the great tribulation. And that is all we can do, just as the prophets of old did. They warned, but they didn't become hostile towards those who didn't believe. They just left the consequences of their disbelief to God.

Ok, i meant if someone warns in this way that he claims that his view is the one and only right view, and all others going wrong, then it may be correct. If it the truth.
But in the case of the echatologie - the teaching about the future things to come.
There nobody can say 100 % he is right in his claiming and all others going wrong.
So I am not a false teacher if I believe in pre trib. You are not a false teacher if you belive that the church will go throug the tribulation. There are bible verses and arguments which feed both. So honestly to say. We don't know it realy! And it makes no sense to argue/quarrel about it.

 

[BobCarabbio]

Must be hard and uncomfortable sitting on the fence. I hope you remember what Jesus said about being Luke warm

Chuckle!!! There's no "Fence" at all - only the imaginary one you've built out of your conept of "Eschatology" (which is only a religious word for "Rank Speculation").

You have NO IDEA what the sequence of the "End time" will be, or when they'll occur. Neither do I, but I'll probably have physically died by that time, unless everything starts tomorrow afternoon (chuckle)!!!

 

[Poinsetta]

Thank you soldier. stand up stand up for Jesus ye soldiers of the cross lived high is royal banner we will not suffer loss Much of his love and mercy to you, and blessings for ever my heart goes out to you.

Hey can you check my pfp real quick

 

[BOY]

Hey can you check my pfp real quick

And there will be mockers in the last days

 

[BOY]

Chuckle!!! There's no "Fence" at all - only the imaginary one you've built out of your conept of "Eschatology" (which is only a religious word for "Rank Speculation").

You have NO IDEA what the sequence of the "End time" will be, or when they'll occur. Neither do I, but I'll probably have physically died by that time, unless everything starts tomorrow afternoon (chuckle)!!!

and their shall arise mockers in the last days


The Holy Ghost leads you into all truth. but by your own words he hasn't bothered with you, or you haven't bothered with him .

 

[Poinsetta]

How does the enemy see you? Is he scared?

Just a question

 

[ewq1938]

1) Regarding killing people who will not worship the image of the beast in Revelation 13:15, my thought is that this only applies to people who are physically close to the image of the beast. So people who are geographically far away may not be killed.

I have had the same thought. I don't think that can be enforced if it was just on a TV or cell phone etc.

 

[BobCarabbio]

and their shall arise mockers in the last days

And phony "theologies" and "Prophets". So everything's on track, as it always has been.

The Holy Ghost leads you into all truth. but by your own words he hasn't bothered with you, or you haven't bothered with him .

Chuckle!!! I'll try to cope with your rejection!!!!

 

[Psalm1]

Another lie no he doesn't Kill everyone refusing the mark another line. revelation 12.

If I were a betting man I could make a little money off of you.

Explain how Every man woman and child is not every man woman and child

 

[Psalm1]

1) Regarding killing people who will not worship the image of the beast in Revelation 13:15, my thought is that this only applies to people who are physically close to the image of the beast. So people who are geographically far away may not be killed. In any case, the woman flees from the dragon and is able to escape in Revelation 12:14, so the dragon and the beast have limits to whom they can kill. Moreover, Zechariah 14:4-5 indicates there are some people of God who will flee when Jesus comes. These people probably do not follow the beast and they are still alive enough to run.

2) Do you think Jesus comes as a thief for the rapture? If yes, then from Revelation 16:15, Jesus has will come for the rapture after the sixth bowl.

3) We can discuss more in the future.

It says every man woman and child that are not in the book.
It says he is given power to overcome the saints.
It says the saints overcame him through martyrdom.

Now what?
Omit those verses?

 

[Psalm1]

The postrib rapture verses paint those adherents into a huge corner.
All die refusing the mark.
The bus stop is empty
Nobody left to pick up, and yet a doctrine exists saying Jesus comes for non existent passengers.

Just unbelievable.

 

[WilliamL]

Jesus Christ is fulfilling ALL things including the 7 Feasts of Israel. So far, Jesus Christ has fulfilled the first 4 and is about to wrap up the 5th Feast...

Feast 1 - Passover: Jesus is our Passover Lamb - Blood and Body = FINISHED
Feast 2 - Unleavened Bread: Jesus was buried = FINISHED
Feast 3 - First Fruits: Jesus' Resurrection - rose from the dead = FINISHED
Feast 4 - Pentecost: 50 Days after First Fruits - Outpouring of the Holy Spirit = FINISHED
Feast 5 - Trumpets: Gospel preached (blowing of trumpets) time of Gentiles = HAPPENING NOW (almost done)

Rapture occurs here - Jesus returns in the air to get His Bride - the 5 Wise Virgins
Wedding Supper of the Lamb in Heaven

Feast 6 - Day of Atonement: Time of Tribulation Anti-Christ reigns - time of the Jews = NOT HAPPENED YET
Feast 7 - Tabernacles: Jesus Christ returns to Earth to rule and reign for 1,000 years = NOT HAPPENED YET


There are a number of websites that promote such teachings. While some of the above is true, other parts are not.
The primary misunderstanding comes from the misinterpretation of the Hebrew term מֹועֲדֵי/moadave to mean “feasts.” Lev. 23:2 Whereas literally, it means “appointed times” [Strong’s: ‘conventionally yearly’]. Leviticus 23 is the chapter in the OT that describes the Mosaic ceremonial Laws in the most detail. What Leviticus 23 is primarily about:

Leviticus 23:2 “Speak to the children of Israel, and say unto them, ‘[These are] the מֹועֲדֵי/appointed times of the LORD, that you shall proclaim them: these [are] holy מִקְרָאֵי/convocations/assemblies; they [are] my appointed times.’”

So Leviticus is primarily about 1) appointed times that are also 2) holy assemblies of all the people. Of these, the chapter specifically mentions seven such days that fulfill both 1) and 2).

In contrast, of the 7 claimed-to-be “feasts” noted above, two – 1) Passover, and 2) Firstfruits Wave Offering – do not fulfill the requirement of being 2) holy assemblies of all the people:

The actual Passover is a sacrifice of a lamb on Nisan 14; whereas the Feast of the Passover takes place on Nisan 15, the first day of the “חַג/festival/Feast of Unleavened Bread.” Lev. 23:6 The list above thus makes one feast into two feasts.

And the Firstfruits Wave Offering is likewise not a חַג/feast: no assembly of the congregation is called for at all – merely one priest. It is only mentioned in one place in the Bible, Leviticus 23:10-15. Which seems strange, seeing that is does foretell in type the raising up/ascent of Christ, the firstfruit of the dead, into heaven.
Here are the 7 מֹועֲדֵי/appointed times of the LORD, that are also holy מִקְרָאֵי/convocations/ assemblies:
Spring assemblies, already fulfilled in type: 1) the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread; first month/Nisan 15. Lev. 23:6-7 Representation: Sacrifice of worldly doctrines (= leaven; Matt. 16:5-12) of the flesh. And thereby, redemption from physical slavery and physical (= the first) death. Temple part: Altar of Sacrifice.

2) the seventh day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread; Nisan 21, being the day Israel passed through the Red Sea and out from under the influence of Egypt. Lev. 23:8 Representation: Water baptism. 1 Cor. 10:1-2 Temple part: Laver of Washing.

3) the Feast of Weeks/Pentecost, seven weeks after the first weekly Sabbath following Nisan 15. Lev. 23:15-21 Bread with new leaven (= the establishment of new doctrine) is offered up in the Temple. Lev. 23:17 Day that YHWH gave the 10 Commandments from Mount Sinai. Representation: Baptism of the Holy Spirit. Temple parts: Holy Place. Lampstand: Holy Spirit anointing. Table of Showbread: the bread/doctrine/Gospel of Christ. Altar of Incense: sacrifices of praise and intercessory prayer.

Autumn assemblies, yet to be fulfilled in type: 4) the Feast of Trumpets, seventh month /Tishri 1. Lev. 23:24-25 Representation: Judgment announced, begins. Temple part: veil between the Holy Place and the Most Holy Place.

5) the Day of Atonement, Tishri 10. Lev. 23:27-32 Representation: Judgment sealed, for both the righteous and the unrighteous, prior to the resurrection of the dead. Temple parts: Most Holy Place. Ark of the Covenant, whereon the blood of redemption is sprinkled. Lev. 16:14-15

6) the first day of the seven-day Feast of Tabernacles, Tishri 15. Lev. 23:34-36a Representation: Redemption from spiritual slavery and spiritual (= the second) death. Temple parts: Most Holy Place, and the angels whose wings overcover the Ark. “…the One sitting on the throne will spread his Tabernacle over them.” Rev. 7:15; Ex. 37:9 At this time the raptured Church will be “standing before the Throne [of God] and before the Lamb…” Rev. 7:9; Luke 21:36

7) the “Eighth Day,” Tishri 22, the day after the Feast of Tabernacles ends. Lev. 23:36b Representation: New Heavens and New Earth: complete fulfillment of mankind’s redemption. Temple part: “…[there will be] no naos/Holy Sanctuary in it, for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its naos/Holy Sanctuary.” Rev. 21:22

Leviticus 23:37 “These are the [7] מֹועֲדֵי/appointed times of the LORD which you shall proclaim [to be] holy מִקְרָאֵי/convocations/assemblies…”

– and only these. Not the Passover, and not the Firstfruits Wave Offering.