Continuationism vs cessastionism?

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DaivdM said:
Didn't you just say, you dont believe in videos?

I know some people who has done it, but they are Spanish people, not english people....

But do you beleive in those people who has die and gone to heaven and come back?
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I believe some people truly do get some sort of vision at the time of Clinical death yes I have seen Testimonies as you but none of those people were even clinically dead for a whole hour.

As I have said before There are many strange and wonderful gifts out there and we should truly be thankful for everyone that we as a people have been given If the testimony of a man turns even 1 man to God is it not a truly wonderful thing?
For jesus said "If a house be diveded against itself how shall it then stand"
 
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There is absolutely no biblical evidence of an Apostolic Era. By biblical evidence I am talking about prophecies which predict such a thing in the past. Every major 'ERA' in the bible was preceded with multiple prophecies letting us know what is / was going to happen.

One of God's major calling cards is using prophecies to alert of something before it happens. I do not believe 1 Cor 13 to be such a prophecy because there are no other prophecies to support it like every other major event in the Scriptures.

Again, just my opinion.
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Biblical prophecy seems to suggest that the last major event of the biblical calender was Pentecost. It also suggests that the next major event is the Great Tribulation which coincides with the rise of the Antichrist. I just don't see any proof of an Apostolic Era.
 
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Muskokaman

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Biblical prophecy seems to suggest that the last major event of the biblical calender was Pentecost. It also suggests that the next major event is the Great Tribulation which coincides with the rise of the Antichrist. I just don't see any proof of an Apostolic Era.
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That would be considered by some as the years 30 A.D. and 120 A.D. as in the lifetime of the Apostles mentioned in the Bible
 
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Muskokaman said:
That would be considered by some as the years 30 A.D. and 120 A.D. as in the lifetime of the Apostles mentioned in the Bible
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Refresh my memory, what happened in 120 A.D. that would make people believe that the Great Tribulation and the AntiChrist had already come? While I can see how certain events might resemble the Great Tribulation slightly, obviously it wasn't because it didn't effect the entire planet as the Apostle John clearly prophecied in the book of Revelation.

There very well could have been someone who had done something Antichrist like, however he obviously was not the real deal because the entire scope of the prophecies were not fulfilled.

Incidents like these are commonly referred to as 'types and shadows'. Types & foreshadows are entirely biblical because the Old Testament are littered with them many of which were fulfilled with Christ's first coming. Yet there are several which predict Christ's second coming that still have yet to be fulfilled.
 
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Refresh my memory, what happened in 120 A.D. that would make people believe that the Great Tribulation and the AntiChrist had already come? While I can see how certain events might resemble the Great Tribulation slightly, obviously it wasn't because it didn't effect the entire planet as the Apostle John clearly prophecied in the book of Revelation.

There very well could have been someone who had done something Antichrist like, however he obviously was not the real deal because the entire scope of the prophecies were not fulfilled.

Incidents like these are commonly referred to as 'types and shadows'. Types & foreshadows are entirely biblical because the Old Testament are littered with them many of which were fulfilled with Christ's first coming. Yet there are several which predict Christ's second coming that still have yet to be fulfilled.
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I remember. It was when the Romans crushed the nation of Israel and forced another exile of the people from the land. The only problem with this theory is that Pentecost marked the beginning of the Church Age. While the events of 120 A.D. no doubt affected many Christians in that area. Much of the church remained unaffected at that time seeing as the church was expanding at a tremendous rate into the Middle East and Asia Minor. Also the events of 120 a.d. was not accompanied by natural disasters and signs in the heavens (sun turning black, the moon turning as red as blood, falling stars, etc. )
 
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Ive decided to keep it simple.
If I cannot say the word or name three times really fast, then Ill have nothing to do with it.
Never have ayway. :)

I will stay with Jesus, letting Him be the guide of my walk, and all that God provides in scripture, understanding through the Holy Spirit, and witness tested. :)

In Jesus, God bless.
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pickles said:
Ive decided to keep it simple.
If I cannot say the word or name three times really fast, then Ill have nothing to do with it.
Never have ayway. :)

I will stay with Jesus, letting Him be the guide of my walk, and all that God provides in scripture, understanding through the Holy Spirit, and witness tested. :)

In Jesus, God bless.
pickles
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Too Funny! *lol*

God Bless you too Pickles.
 
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I feel Sorry for you 4runner and everyone else who believe what you believe....
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What exactly do you think I believe????

I agree with you about the gifts being for today. And that we in Christ through the empowerment of the Holy Spirit can raise the dead or do anything else Jesus did.

What exactly is it that you feel sorry for me for?
 
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4runner said:
What exactly do you think I believe????

I agree with you about the gifts being for today. And that we in Christ through the empowerment of the Holy Spirit can raise the dead or do anything else Jesus did.

What exactly is it that you feel sorry for me for?
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Are there multitudes of Jews being converted by Christians supernaturally speaking unlearned earthly foreign languages?

If not then you have to subscribe to at least partial cessanionism.
 
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Strangelove said:
Are there multitudes of Jews being converted by Christians supernaturally speaking unlearned earthly foreign languages?

If not then you have to subscribe to at least partial cessanionism.
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Actually I do not.
 
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Strangelove said:
Are there multitudes of Jews being converted by Christians supernaturally speaking unlearned earthly foreign languages?

Yes or no?
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I do not know, and it is irrelevant to this conversation.
 
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4runner said:
I do not know, and it is irrelevant to this conversation.
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Cessationism is the belief that we dont have the apostolic miraculous gifts in the church anymore. they have ceased.

One of those gifts was the ability by Christians of supernaturally speaking unlearned earthly foreign languages and converting multitudes of Jews to the Gospel via this power.

So I'm asking you has this gift ceased or not?

It's absolutely relevant.

Either answer or concede that you are at least a partial cessationist.
 
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Strangelove said:
Cessationism is the belief that we dont have the apostolic miraculous gifts in the church anymore. they have ceased.

One of those gifts was the ability by Christians of supernaturally speaking unlearned earthly foreign languages and converting multitudes of Jews to the Gospel via this power.

So I'm asking you has this gift ceased or not?

It's absolutely relevant.

Either answer or concede that you are at least a partial cessationist.
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While it's never happened to me, I do know people who are sincere and trustworthy who have had this occur to them while overseas on missions.
 
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Strangelove said:
Cessationism is the belief that we dont have the apostolic miraculous gifts in the church anymore. they have ceased.

One of those gifts was the ability by Christians of supernaturally speaking unlearned earthly foreign languages and converting multitudes of Jews to the Gospel via this power.


So I'm asking you has this gift ceased or not?

It's absolutely relevant.

Either answer or concede that you are at least a partial cessationist.
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I know a woman who downloaded a hole language by the holy spirit, and she preach in that language... So yeah, I beleive...
 
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Originally Posted by DaivdM

I feel Sorry for you 4runner and everyone else who believe what you believe
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4runner said:
What exactly do you think I believe????

I agree with you about the gifts being for today. And that we in Christ through the empowerment of the Holy Spirit can raise the dead or do anything else Jesus did.

What exactly is it that you feel sorry for me for?
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Once again DavidM, what exactly do you think I believe?
 
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While it's never happened to me, I do know people who are sincere and trustworthy who have had this occur to them while overseas on missions.
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Any documentation of this astounding miracle?

News reports?

Independant eye witnesses?

The Jews themselves who were converted? (surely they could testify)?
 
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