Slain in the spirit?

[Genez]

Insanity?

Look at his doctrine which he learned from Oral Roberts who proclaimed God instructed that if his followers did not provide 7 million dollars that God Himself would kill Oral Roberts.

I am not Methodist like those who came out of the Oral Roberts Ministry so not fully understanding that doctrine leads me to wonder about anything Preachers like Hagin, Copeland, and many others do. Many things don't make sense. But I will say this much. IF GOD CALLED THEM TO PREACH THEN I ADHERE TO WHAT THE BIBLE CLAIMS "DO NOT TOUCH MY ANOINTED."

Jesus also warned that we should not be stupid.

Here are the words of Jesus as a warning to His Church!

“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven,
but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.

Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name
and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’

Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’


Counterfeit power that they swore was the Holy Spirit
drove those enemies of God!


Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name
and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’

They used Jesus Name!!!!!!!!​

 

[Blain]

Could you describe for the reader how to recognize fake tongues so there is no confusion?

discernment. I know it is cliche but when you encounter fake tongues you get a certain disturbing feeling inside their words are there but they are dead words nothing behind them when you encounter the real thing you can actually feel God's power behind their words.
anyone can learn a new language and pretend to speak in tongues but tongues is usually not a language you know and it spews forth like a river almost like it isn't even you speaking anymore

 

[Blain]

You got the Word of God now?

We all need a good teacher.
Most are terrible.

So... you settle for escapism. Escaping into your own little emotional world by being taken over by a power that you "hope" is God.

​

Instead, keep growing in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and savior Jesus Christ. ​

To him belongs glory now and forever. Amen. 2 Pe 3:18​

You do not want sound doctrine?
You prefer the baby rattles that God provided for His infant church instead?

Either way... we need to stop thinking like an infant Christians.

When Paul wrote 1st Corinthians, there were very little NT Scripture existing.
Keep that in mind when Paul stated...

1 Corinthians 13:9-10

For we know in part, and we prophesy in part, but when completeness comes, what is in part disappears. ​

Why not just say?
It will end when Jesus appears!?"
Because Paul was not referring to the return of Christ!

But in the church I would rather speak five intelligible words to instruct others ​

than ten thousand words in a tongue.​

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Brothers and sisters, stop thinking like children. In regard to evil be infants, ​

but in your thinking be adults. In the Law it is written:​

​

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“With other tongues​

and through the lips of foreigners​

I will speak to this people,​

but even then they will not listen to me, <<<it was a sign for Jews refusing to believe!​

says the Lord.” ​

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1 Corinthians 14:19-21​

Israel was destroyed by Rome in 70AD.
They refused the sign of tongues from God to warn them, just like Pharaoh galloped into the parted waters!

Tongues, then, are a sign, not for believers but for unbelievers." 1 Cor 14:22a​

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grace and peace ........

I don't know why you are accusing me of all these things what did I say to make you assume all of that I don't know what your deal is but I am not one to rely on emotions and yes I do have many expereinces because I am very close to God if you do not encounter him then maybe you need to grow closer to him but I don't rely on experiences to form what I believe either

I am just open about them is all

 

[Wansvic]

What happened everybody?

I asked....


Those who believe tongues, prophesy, healings.etc. and the like?
If they were not temporary and have not ceased?
When Paul says they shall cease?
Why have they not ceased?

Define it, please?

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Love never fails. But whether there are prophecies, they will fail; ​

whether there are tongues, they will cease; whether there is knowledge, ​

it will vanish away. For we know in part and we prophesy in part. ​

But when that which is perfect (complete) has come, then that which is in part ​

will be done away.​

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When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child; ​

but when I became a man, I put away childish things.​

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1 Corinthians 13:8-11​

New King James Version​

Born again believers continue to operate in spiritual gifts because they serve a specific purpose. The God
given gifts will continue as long as Jesus is in Heaven and will cease when Jesus returns to earth. Why?

Spiritual gifts became available after receiving the Holy Spirit became a reality for those living in the NT era.
The gifts manifest directly from the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit and are a means of gaining insight
directly from God for those who have been born again.

The idea that spiritual gifts have ceased is a far cry from the truth. It is through this intimate form of communication
that God continues to reveal Himself, and provides ministry guidance; something that will remain essential until He
returns. It is only when we have direct access to Jesus, meaning to come face to face, that Spirit to spirit
communication will no longer be necessary.

God has given each and everyone of us direct access to Him. My prayer is people will stop refusing His precious gifts.

 

[Genez]

discernment. I know it is cliche but when you encounter fake tongues you get a certain disturbing feeling inside their words are there but they are dead words nothing behind them when you encounter the real thing you can actually feel God's power behind their words.
anyone can learn a new language and pretend to speak in tongues but tongues is usually not a language you know and it spews forth like a river almost like it isn't even you speaking anymore

It's not supposed to be about feeling.

The Word of God is to make us think. To think the thinking of Christ. AKA the mind of Christ.

Many are still lost, though found.

 

[Blain]

It's not supposed to be about feeling.

The Word of God is to make us think. To think the thinking of Christ. AKA the mind of Christ.

Many are still lost, though found.

again what makes you think I am relying on feelings?

 

[Genez]

I don't know why you are accusing me of all these things what did I say to make you assume all of that I don't know what your deal is but I am not one to rely on emotions and yes I do have many expereinces because I am very close to God if you do not encounter him then maybe you need to grow closer to him but I don't rely on experiences to form what I believe either

I am just open about them is all

I'll try again....

I was given visions in dreams.

I was shown the Bible college I was to attend ten years before walking on its campus.

When I had the dream ten years before?

The School was not there.

I know about experiences.

I also know that if I did not land upon good teachers, I would still be floating around in a dream world.
A dream world can be a pleasant nightmare distraction.

 

[Genez]

I don't know why you are accusing me of all these things what did I say to make you assume all of that I don't know what your deal is but I am not one to rely on emotions and yes I do have many expereinces because I am very close to God if you do not encounter him then maybe you need to grow closer to him but I don't rely on experiences to form what I believe either

I am just open about them is all

Did I just waste this on you? https://christianchat.com/threads/slain-in-the-spirit.217723/post-5447212

 

[Wansvic]

It says that tongues was specifically to be a sign to those who would not believe.

Why?

Jews require a sign.
Tongues were a sign to unbelieving Jews as the plagues were signs to Pharaoh.

God gave the unbelieving Jews to 70 AD.
Jerusalem in 70 AD and its temple were destroyed by Titus.
Israel lost its nationhood in 70AD.... then the Gentiles were brought in to take the place of the Jews as God;'s witnesses to the Gentile world.

1 Corinthians 14:21​

​

In the Law it is written: (To the Jews = Law)​

​

“With other tongues​

and through the lips of foreigners​

I will speak to this people, (not all people! = unbeliever Jews)​

but even then they will not listen to me,​

says the Lord.”​

It says that tongues were for "a sign for a specific people."
Not, all people! Jews who were refusing to believe!

And, like Pharaoh, who refused to listen?
So did the Jews when confronted with the sign of others speaking in the native tongue that migrated Jews understood!

The Devil is a sneak and shows no mercy wherever he can use his invisible power.
He thrives in Ignorance of men!
In contrast, to balance it out... Jesus said that the Truth would set us free.

Just because we sense power? It does not mean it is from God.

Just look at what an apparent invisible power did for the following folks.
Folks, who thought they were great warriors for Christ!

“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, ​

but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. ​

​

Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name ​

and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ ​

Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’ ​

Matthew 7:21-23​

They thought the power was from God.
They assumed God approved of them!

He is the Word. John 1:1

The Word is given to us to protect us from deception,
as well as for our edification.

grace and peace .............

Jesus statement in Mark 16 about believers speaking in tongues is confirmed in all detailed conversion accounts. Every account reveals tongues was the evidence people had received the Holy Spirit. (Acts 2:4, 33-41, 8:12-18, 10:43-48, 19:1-7)

"And he (Jesus) said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

19 So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God." Mark 16:15-19

 

[Genez]

Born again believers continue to operate in spiritual gifts because they serve a specific purpose. The God
given gifts will continue as long as Jesus is in Heaven and will cease when Jesus returns to earth. Why?

Spiritual gifts became available after receiving the Holy Spirit became a reality for those living in the NT era.
The gifts manifest directly from the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit and are a means of gaining insight
directly from God for those who have been born again.

The idea that spiritual gifts have ceased is a far cry from the truth. It is through this intimate form of communication
that God continues to reveal Himself, and provides ministry guidance; something that will remain essential until He
returns. It is only when we have direct access to Jesus, meaning to come face to face, that Spirit to spirit
communication will no longer be necessary.

God has given each and everyone of us direct access to Him. My prayer is people will stop refusing His precious gifts.

Well, these counterfeit gifts are doing its intended job for today...

To keep you from grasping the Word of God, yet while memorizing passages that you feel free to attach your own meaning to, to defend your stand.

 

[Blain]

Did I just waste this on you? https://christianchat.com/threads/slain-in-the-spirit.217723/post-5447212

you did show a fair amount of scripture yes and it may be that tongues are for the unbelieving but the gifts themselves in general were never to be temporary tongues is for a sign
the rest of the gifts are for the edifying and learning of the church and also to reach the lost.
in what you posted I still am not sure what your trying to get at aside from tongues it is almost like your saying the gifts in general are not in operation

 

[Genez]

Jesus statement in Mark 16 about believers speaking in tongues is confirmed in all detailed conversion accounts. Every account reveals tongues was the evidence people had received the Holy Spirit. (Acts 2:4, 33-41, 8:12-18, 10:43-48, 19:1-7)

Where was the Church then?
It was located on a miniscule dot on the globe.

But, where is it known today?
All over the world.
Even in nations that do not any longer follow Christianity, the name of Jesus is known!!!!

But, there are well-intentioned Christians lacking a correct historical perspective.
Which would be like keeping a musket loaded in your closet in case the Red Coats come marching into your village.

That was then... And, for, then.
Not for NOW.
The Second Chapter of Acts is like the colonial history in America.

In the meanwhile. Since those days?
The Church succeeded, and has gone into all the world.
Bibles are now printed in foreign languages for all over the world!

Problem some are having...
We can not force people to believe.

But… Just the same…
The Church has gone into the whole world.
Either to be accepted. Or, rejected.

Why is that?
God is going to want those whom He will condemn to know that they made their choice to reject.

Today:
We are no longer in the baby stage where no one around Jerusalem knows the name of Jesus.
We do not need signs and wonders to introduce ourselves while going into the world.
They already know the name of Jesus, whom they wish to reject.

In Christ .............

 

[Wansvic]

There are no real ones. Only more sophisticated ones in what they present.

Witches speak in tongues! Tibetan monks speak in tongues!
They experience a real thing! But not the real tongues of the sign gift God gave as a sign to rebellious Jews!

The purpose in speaking other languages (tongues) was to be a sign to the Jews who were rejecting Jesus as the Messiah.
It was not to even Gentiles, though God would use Gentiles to speak in other languages that a Jew would understand, and
know that the gentile does not speak that language! The Jews who rejected the sign were equated with Pharaoh who rejected
the signs that God gave him. Paul rebuked the Jews in that manner! They hated him for it!

Look again. Speaking in other languages was a sign to the Jews who were going to reject Him as Messiah!
Jews require a sign!

"For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom." 1 Corinthians 1:22​

Paul explained that even though God would give the Jews such a sign, that they still would refuse Him!

In the Law it is written: (in the Law! Written to Jews!)​

​

“With other tongues​

and through the lips of foreigners​

I will speak to this people, (this people = Jews!)​

but even then they will not listen to me,​

says the Lord.”​

​

NOTE!

but even then they will not listen to me,​

says the Lord.”​

​

So where are your Jews today who God is giving that sign to?
Spesaking to them in a foreign language that they understand?

The way the tongues people do it today even makes Jews feel totally justified for rejecting Jesus....
That Christianity must be for idiot goys. (that is how they see it)

Satan snickers and laughs.... He is heartless.


.........

It is a pretty bold statement to say there are no real tongues. Especially since scripture debunks that idea.
Wisdom comes from rightly dividing the word of truth.

 

[Genez]

you did show a fair amount of scripture yes and it may be that tongues are for the unbelieving but the gifts themselves in general were never to be temporary tongues is for a sign
the rest of the gifts are for the edifying and learning of the church and also to reach the lost.
in what you posted I still am not sure what your trying to get at aside from tongues it is almost like your saying the gifts in general are not in operation

You keep bouncing around after a point has been established...

God is not wishy-washy as you portray Him to be.

Here is the problem you face and still won't accept.


Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves
and take up their cross and follow me.
Matthew 16:24

Keep in mind.

One can be saved, yet fail to be a disciple!



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[Kroogz]

Where was the Church then?
It was located on a miniscule dot on the globe.

But, where is it known today?
All over the world.
Even in nations that do not any longer follow Christianity, the name of Jesus is known!!!!

But, there are well-intentioned Christians lacking a correct historical perspective.
Which would be like keeping a musket loaded in your closet in case the Red Coats come marching into your village.

That was then... And, for, then.
Not for NOW.
The Second Chapter of Acts is like the colonial history in America.

In the meanwhile. Since those days?
The Church succeeded, and has gone into all the world.
Bibles are now printed in foreign languages for all over the world!

Problem some are having...
We can not force people to believe.

But… Just the same…
The Church has gone into the whole world.
Either to be accepted. Or, rejected.

Why is that?
God is going to want those whom He will condemn to know that they made their choice to reject.

Today:
We are no longer in the baby stage where no one around Jerusalem knows the name of Jesus.
We do not need signs and wonders to introduce ourselves while going into the world.
They already know the name of Jesus, whom they wish to reject.

In Christ .............

Very good analogy brother.

 

[Wansvic]

Where was the Church then?
It was located on a miniscule dot on the globe.

But, where is it known today?
All over the world.
Even in nations that do not any longer follow Christianity, the name of Jesus is known!!!!

But, there are well-intentioned Christians lacking a correct historical perspective.
Which would be like keeping a musket loaded in your closet in case the Red Coats come marching into your village.

That was then... And, for, then.
Not for NOW.
The Second Chapter of Acts is like the colonial history in America.

In the meanwhile. Since those days?
The Church succeeded, and has gone into all the world.
Bibles are now printed in foreign languages for all over the world!

Problem some are having...
We can not force people to believe.

But… Just the same…
The Church has gone into the whole world.
Either to be accepted. Or, rejected.

Why is that?
God is going to want those whom He will condemn to know that they made their choice to reject.

Today:
We are no longer in the baby stage where no one around Jerusalem knows the name of Jesus.
We do not need signs and wonders to introduce ourselves while going into the world.
They already know the name of Jesus, whom they wish to reject.

In Christ .............

God's word stands.
People are birthed into the body of Christ today in the very same way they were on the Day of Pentecost.
The manifestation of tongues as well as spiritual gifts serve the same purpose today as they did when God
instituted them; they draw people to God and edify born again believers for the work of the ministry.

 

[Kroogz]

It is a pretty bold statement to say there are no real tongues. Especially since scripture debunks that idea.
Wisdom comes from rightly dividing the word of truth.

There are no biblical tongues today. Tongues today are very real.......... Emotional or demonic.

 

[Blain]

You keep bouncing around after a point has been established...

God is not wishy-washy as you portray Him to be.

Here is the problem you face and still won't accept.


Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves
and take up their cross and follow me.
Matthew 16:24

Keep in mind.

One can be saved, yet fail to be a disciple!



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Well how am I prtraying God to be wishy washy? and how am I failing to be his desciple all I see is you making false accusations i am not seeing the point your trying to make he is the one who decides if I am his deciple
I study the word just as you you seem to think I don't and as for bouncing around I am just adressing your acusations more than anything you can post scripture but that doesn't make you right you keep saying things like emotions feeling wishy washy ect. but on what basis my op something I said before what? you need to be more clear with the point your trying to make

 

[ResidentAlien]

I agree with you on this the tongues you see that gibberish is not tongues in the slightest but speaking in other languages is something witches can do as well just not by the power of the holy spirit
I have encountered many fake tongues by both those of the occult and by christians

Earlier you said what happened to you when you were "slain in the spirit" could not have been fake because there are no examples of Satan or demons producing this in scripture. Now you say witches and occultists can fake tongues. Where in scripture is it found where tongues are faked?

 

[Wansvic]

Jesus also warned that we should not be stupid.

Here are the words of Jesus as a warning to His Church!

“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven,
but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.

Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name
and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’

Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’


Counterfeit power that they swore was the Holy Spirit
drove those enemies of God!


Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name
and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’

They used Jesus Name!!!!!!!!​

The issue was Jesus NEVER knew those who professed belief in Him. Why? Because they had neglected to be obedient in laying the foundation upon the rock. (Luke 6:48) Jesus explained this right after telling them he never knew them.

Hebrews 6:1-2 details requirements that parallel what Peter introduced on the Day of Pentecost that pertain to being buried with Jesus in order to be born again. The same gospel message was carried to Samaritans, Gentiles, Paul and other individuals of that time and continues to be carried forth even unto today.

Everyone, without exception must have the blood of Jesus applied through obedience to God-given requirements of repentance, water baptism in the name of Jesus for remission of sin, and receiving the Holy Ghost.

Jesus became the author of eternal salvation unto those who OBEY him. (Heb. 5:9)