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Romans 10:9 KJV

That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

This is what it takes to be saved. If you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus, i.e. talk about him (not to put it exactly - with all humbleness), and believe that God raised him from the dead (in your heart), thou shalt be saved. To put it into other words if you are doing such a thing and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. But all you really need to do is to believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead.
 

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In Romans 10, Paul is telling the saints at Rome, how Israel (the ones of Israel who are not saved), can be saved (9-13) and in v17 he teaches how faith comes. Those whole passages (v9-17) teach how to be saved. First, you have to hear the word (v17). You typically hear that from a preacher, and how can they call upon his name unless they first hear and how will they hear without a preacher? (v14).

The good and honest heart (Luke 8:15) who wants to be saved will confess with his mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in their heart God raised Him from the dead (v9). Then in v12-13 he mentions about calling upon the Lord’s name. That is connected to repentance and baptism for the remission of sins per Acts 2:21 and Acts 2:37-38, where we read Peter saying “whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved”.

In Acts 2:37, the people that are there ask men and brethren what shall we do?

Peter tells them how to call upon the name of the Lord to be saved..repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins (Acts 2:38).

In Acts 22:16, Paul recounts his conversion where Ananias tells him to arise, and be baptized, wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

Saul was appealing to be saved by the Lord by faith (just as the Galatians did in Gal. 3:26), in calling on His name when he was baptized (Acts 2:21; Acts 2:38; 22:16).

Being baptized isn’t relying or trusting on your work to save you because it’s not your work. It’s submitting to gospel of Christ, the powerful working/operation of God, to which we are relying and trusting in through faith (Col. 2:11-12; Rom. 1:16).
 

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A lot of people uses Acts 16:31 to teach we are saved by faith alone to negate the necessity of water baptism. Does this verse teach that? Let’s see…

If someone was wanting to become a Christian and I tell them to “believe on the Lord Jesus Christ” and that’s all I tell them, would they know anything about Jesus other than He was the Lord?

No, they would not. In other words, in order to know about Jesus to believe on Him I would have to speak the word of the Lord to that person for them to know who Jesus is and for them to have faith in Jesus.

Paul and Silas spoke the word of the Lord to the jailer AFTER they told him to believe on Jesus (Acts 16:32).

Why did they do this for if he was ALREADY saved?

The reason they did this is so he would understand and have FAITH. Romans 10:17 teaches faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God.

Now, once that happened, what did he and all his end up doing?

They got baptized (v 33). That’s in perfect harmony with Mark 16:16. They believed and was baptized.

So going back to verse 31, when Paul and Silas told him to BELIEVE on the Lord Jesus Christ to be saved, we see in verse 34 that he believed in God with all his household. But was he and his household said to have BELIEVED in God with all his household BEFORE or AFTER he was baptized?

If he was saved in verse 31, then why was he not REJOICING having believed in God with all his household? It wasn’t until AFTER they were baptized that it says he REJOICED, having BELIEVED in God with all his household. (v34).

So putting this together:

1) He was told to BELIEVE in Jesus (v31).

2) He and his household heard the word of the Lord spoken (v32)

3) After HEARING the word he had faith due to hearing the word (Romans 10:17)

4) Then he and all his got BAPTIZED (v 33)

5) It was AFTER he got baptized that he REJOICED having BELIEVED in God with all his household (v34).

We learn from Acts 16:34, that believing in God, is to be baptized, and to believe on Jesus (v 31) is to be baptized.
 

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Jesus is referring to water baptism when he says born of water in John 3:5. When someone repents and is water baptized they become a child of God. They are a babe in Christ. They are born again as in a spiritual birth. A baby is inside birth water and comes out from the birth water to begin a new life and they are an innocent baby free from sin. A sinner goes into/inside the water and comes out from the water to begin a new life, having by faith been washed by the blood of Christ, and they are free from their past sins.

Why would Jesus have in mind physical birth in John 3:5? That is what Nicodemus thought (John 3:4). Jesus was talking about entering the kingdom. That is a spiritual kingdom not physical.

“I say to you, unless one is born again” Born AGAIN.

Jesus answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God” UNLESS one IS BORN OF WATER.

Would He be needing to remind Nicodemus about his own birth? Is Jesus more concerned with physical birth for Nicodemus or for anyone else who has already been physically born? Or is He more concerned with a SPIRITUAL birth? If Jesus wanted to say that one must be born once biologically (of birth water) and then again from the Spirit, would He not have made it clearer such as saying, “born of the womb and the Spirit” or “born of flesh and the Spirit”?

In verse 6 He says “That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.“ If born of water in John 3:5 is referring to birth water (it’s not), then why didn’t Jesus say “born from their mother’s womb”, as He did in Matthew 19:12?

To my knowledge, the Bible never uses the words “born of water” to describe amniotic fluid. Jesus said “water” and that is exactly what He meant, else what did John mean later in this same chapter when he wrote that John baptized at Aenon because “there was much water there (v 23)?

In an article on "Baptism and Remission" in Baptist Quarterly (July, 1877, pg. 309), Wilmarth said:

"Christ Himself, in His early Judean ministry 'made and baptized disciples.' His preaching at the outset was of similar purport with that of John. It is natural to suppose that His baptism (in connection with repentance and faith) was, like John's, in order to remission. We are confirmed in this by our Savior's words to Nicodemus, who came to Him during that early period to learn more fully, no doubt, of the kingdom which Christ and John were preaching. Christ said to him, "except a man be born of water and of the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God;" i.e. Baptism and Renewal by the Spirit are the conditions of true citizenship in the kingdom of God on earth. Unquestionably, Remission was one of the blessings of that kingdom." [1]

In Wall's History of Infant Baptism (Vol. I, pg. 443) we find:

"All the ancient Christians (without the exception of one man) do understand that rule of the Savior, John 3:5, 'Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God'; of baptism. [1]

"I had occasion in the First Part to bring a great many instances of their sayings: where all that mention that text, from Justin Martyr down to St. Austin (Augustine) do so apply it. Neither did I ever see it otherwise applied in any ancient writer. I believe Calvin was the first that ever denied this place to mean baptism. He gives another interpretation, which he confesses to be new." [1]

Philip Schaff:

"In view of the facts that John baptized, that Christ Himself was baptized, that His disciples (4:2) baptized in His name, it seems impossible to disconnect water from baptism. Calvin's interpretation arose from doctrinal opposition to the Roman Catholic over-evaluation of the sacrament, which must be guarded against in another way" (footnote on John 3;5, Lange's Commentary, Vol. III, 127). [1]

In his Notes on John 3:5, Albert Barnes said:

"Be born of water. By water, here, is evidently signified baptism. Thus the word is used in Ephesians 5:26; Titus 3:5)." [1]

Adam Clarke said:

"Baptism in water, into the Christian faith, was necessary to every Jew and Gentile that entered into the kingdom of the Messiah" (Commentary on John 3:5). [1]

A professor at Southern Baptist Theological Seminary say to a large class: "If you have not been tampered with, you will admit that the water in John 3:5 refers to baptism."[1]

The same professor said to a second year Greek class studying the book of Galatians, that Paul's statement in Galatians 3:26,27 shows that "in New Testament days it was understood that a person was not in fellowship with Christ until after he was baptized." After some discussion on the statement, he said, "I don't make it (baptism) essential to salvation." I believe in the first statement he spoke as a Greek scholar, but in the latter statement he spoke as a Baptist preacher! [1]

Scholarship admits that "water" in John 3:5 refers to baptism. Of course, it has been true all along; it doesn't take "scholarship" to make it so. But it is obvious that anybody who tries to argue that it means something else is inconsistent with both the "scholars" and the word of Christ. "Let God be true, but every man a liar" (Romans 3:4). [1]

Case Notes:

Cooper , James E. The New Birth of Water, Biblical Insights, 2 Feb. 2005 [1]
 

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The words the people on Pentecost heard from Peter who told them what to do be saved, were the same words Peter would tell Cornelius and his household “whereby thou and all thy house shall be saved” (Acts 11:14). In order to believe in Him to receive the remission of sins (Acts 10:43), Cornelius and his household needed to learn about Jesus by hearing God’s word to have faith (Rom. 10:17; Acts 10:43).

As Peter began to speak, the Holy Spirit “fell” on the Gentiles (v15).

When the Spirit “fell” (Acts 11:15) on the Gentiles (referring to them having the gift of the Holy Spirit poured out, 10:45), they began speaking in tongues and magnify God, (Acts 10:45-46)…but Peter had not yet told (or finished telling) Cornelius the words “whereby thou and all thy house shall be saved”, as we will see in a moment.

Now, the Gentiles spoke in tongues, and speaking in tongues were for a sign for an unbeliever (1 Cor. 14:22), but Cornelius was already a believer in God, so who were the unbelievers?

In this context, the unbelievers would be the Jews with Peter, as they did not believe the Gentiles were eligible for salvation by the gospel of Christ. That’s why the Jews were astonished (Acts 10:45) when God bared witness by giving the Gentiles the Holy Spirit (Acts 15:8) as God was proving to the Jews there was “no distinction”, as He “put no difference between us [The Jews] and them [The Gentiles], purifying their hearts by faith” (Acts 15:9).

How were the Gentiles purified by faith? Their souls were purified by faith in “obeying the truth through the Spirit” (1 Peter 1:22). They were “born again, not of corruptible seed but incorruptible, through the word of God which lives and abides forever” (1 Peter 1:23).

The Gentiles were born again through the word of God when they obeyed, having received “with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls” (Jms. 1:21). They heard the engrafted word from Peter (Acts 11:14).

Not only did the miracle in Acts 10 of speaking in different tongues/language prove to the Jews that salvation by the gospel was now being extended to the Gentiles to be recipients of it, it also confirmed God’s word that He is no respecter of persons when it comes to salvation (Acts 10:35), meaning it does not matter what nation or ethnicity you are, as the same way of being saved by the gospel is for all, and it was through the cross that the Jew/Gentile would be reconciled and united in one body, by the same faith through the gospel (Acts 15:11; Acts 10:34-35, Rom. 1:16; Eph. 2:14). All of this is why Peter asked “Can any man forbid water?” (Acts 10:47)..meaning can any man forbid the Gentiles salvation by the gospel.

Now, if Cornelius was saved when the Spirit “fell” on him and his household, then why did Peter continue to speak the words of God that Cornelius would hear to be saved (Acts 11:14)? Cornelius was also wanting to hear all the commandments of God (Acts 10:33). Those saving words they’d be told included the commandment to be baptized (Acts 10:47-48), but Peter had not told them yet when they received the Spirit. Thus, Peter had not yet finished speaking the words and giving all the commands of God concerning how to be saved until Acts 10:48, where we read, “And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord.” It is at that moment where Peter finished telling them the words “whereby thou and all thy house shall be saved” by commanding them to be baptized in the name of the Lord, to have remission of sins (Acts 10:47; Acts 2:38).

It’s through Jesus’s name (by His power/authority, Mt. 28:18; Col. 3:17) that we receive the remission of sins by His saving blood (Mt. 26:28) when one believes (Acts 10:43), repents (Acts 11:18), confesses (Rom. 10:9-10), and is baptized (Acts 10:48; 2:38; Rom. 6:3ff).

Acts 10:43 says “through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.”

Acts 10:48 says when believing in Jesus to receive the remission of sins happened for the Gentiles “And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord.”

By submitting to Christ’s authority of obeying the commandment to be baptized (Acts 10:48) for the remission of sins (Acts 2:38), Cornelius’s belief in Christ led to a saving faith to receive the remission of sins (Acts 10:43).

In closing: The miracle of speaking in different languages proved to the Jews that salvation by the gospel was now being extended to the Gentiles.

Acts 10:47-48 cf. Acts 11:18, is where the Gentiles’ calling on the name of the Lord happened (Acts 2:21, 38).

God was confirming that the Gentiles could become children of God in obedience to the gospel so they could enter the kingdom (be saved) with 'no distinction’ purifying their hearts by faith (Acts 15:9). There was no more distinction between the two groups as they could be reconciled in one body (Eph. 2:14-16).

God bared witness to that by giving Cornelius (and the rest of his household) the Spirit, (who also bared witness) in confirming that.

How did God purify the Gentiles hearts? By faith (Acts 15:9). When did God purify their hearts by faith? It was after they obeyed the truth through the Spirit (1 Peter 1:22-23) by obeying the Spirit inspired words (Acts 11:14): Believing (Acts 10:43), repentance (Acts 11:18) and being baptized (Acts 10:47-48.) In total, the Gentiles were told to believe (Acts 10:43), God granted them repentance unto life (Acts 11:18), and then they were baptized (Acts 10:48) for the same reasons the Jews were on Pentecost. For the remission of sins (Acts 2:38).

Rom. 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
 

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By examining the Ephesians, we can understand how people are saved by grace.

Looking at the context of the letter, we see that they heard the word of truth. “In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed” (Eph. 1:13). They heard the message that has the power to save (Rom. 1:16). If one is to be saved by grace, he must hear and learn the gospel in order to know God’s will. This same passage clearly states that they also believed the truth, “having also believed.” They had to hear in order to believe (Rom. 10:17). Believing the truth is essential to salvation (John 8:24; Heb. 11:6; Mark 16:16). Of course, repentance is necessary (Acts17:30).

We see that they were baptized. “When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus” (Acts 19:5). To be saved by grace, one must be a penitent believer who is then baptized for the remission of sins (Mark 16:15-16; Acts 2:38). Being saved by grace includes being saved by baptism (1 Pet. 3:21). They had to overcome and remain faithful as we do today (Rev. 2:7).

We are saved by grace which is the things that God did through Jesus Christ to set up the system of faith. It did not come from us. It is not of our works. It is not of the works of the law of Moses, but the system of faith that God by His grace gave us to save us.

Galatians 3:24 — justified by faith

How are we justified by faith?

It is explained in Galatians 3:26-27

For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

(Our faith leads us to being justified when we are baptized. We are sons of God through faith. For what reason are we sons of God through faith? It is in that when we have been baptized.)

Gal. 2:16 — we are not justified/saved by the works of the law, but by faith. The gospel.

In the explanation of what faith is baptism is included in faith. Baptism is part of a man’s faith response to become a child of God.
 

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“heard the word of truth” — what happens on Pentecost in Jerusalem (Acts 2)? Did they hear and listen to anything? It’s the “word of truth, the gospel of your salvation” that they heard and listened to.

“the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed” — Did the people on Pentecost believe? 3,000 of them did.

“you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise” — Look at Acts 2:38-39, and notice similarity of the language there.

Acts 2:38 “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call.”

Peter spoke prophetically of the Gentiles being called in Acts 2, and in Ephesians 1:13 we see Paul addressing them, (there are also some Jews in the audience too).

“sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise” — you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. For the promise is to you and to your children and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call.

Peter and Paul are saying the same thing.

The promise is what the Jews were to have fixed on in Acts 2, because they had been looking to the promise. The promise made for everybody. The Holy Spirit of promise…the promise made to Abraham. When the Holy Spirit comes in Acts 2, that is the starting point of going into all the world, and Jesus points out in chapter 1 of Acts that you’ll start in Jerusalem, then Judah, then Samaria, and then to the end of the earth (Acts 1:8). So the promise made to Abraham was not just for Jews, but for everybody. When the promise is getting cranked up in Acts 2…it would be started, then they’d move out with it just like Jesus said in Acts 1. In Acts 10, when Peter gets to Cornelius, they would have gotten to a Gentile. The Holy Spirit is a factor in the coming in of the promise. The Holy Spirit is a facilitator of the promise, and the promise is for everybody (Jew and Gentile). In John 14:26 and in John 16:13-15 we find that Jesus is setting the table so to speak for the coming of the Holy Spirit, and what’s that going to be about. One of those things He said was “He will teach you all things” (14:26), and “will guide you into all truth” (16:13), because that’s going to be needed in the new age because that is what will be appropriate for the new covenant. The Holy Spirit brought confirmation through miracles through the apostles and other inspired men (Heb. 2:1-4). Those miracles would confirm the word which they spoke is from God.

“Which is the earnest of our inheritance” — If we bought a house, we put money down when negotiating. If we back out, the seller doesn’t get the money. Putting down money is our way of pledging, or guaranteeing that the rest of the deal was going to be completed. Do we have everything that God’s going to give us now? For here, we do, but do we have everything from God? Do we have heaven? No. But we do have a down payment..in Christ..with all spiritual blessings that are attendant to being in Christ as a Christian (Eph. 1:3). But we have not yet gotten the house so to speak. But God has given us His guarantee..His pledge to us, that what He said we would get at the end of the way, we will get it as long as we remain faithful to Him.
 
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I didn't really read your posts, but to sumise all you really need to do is to believe in your heart that God raised the Lord Jesus from the dead. It is also important to believe that he is the Christ so that God will adopt you as a child of his.

KJV - Ephesians 1:5
Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
 

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Jesus is referring to water baptism when he says born of water in John 3:5. When someone repents and is water baptized they become a child of God. They are a babe in Christ. They are born again as in a spiritual birth. A baby is inside birth water and comes out from the birth water to begin a new life and they are an innocent baby free from sin. A sinner goes into/inside the water and comes out from the water to begin a new life, having by faith been washed by the blood of Christ, and they are free from their past sins.

Why would Jesus have in mind physical birth in John 3:5? That is what Nicodemus thought (John 3:4). Jesus was talking about entering the kingdom. That is a spiritual kingdom not physical.

“I say to you, unless one is born again” Born AGAIN.

Jesus answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God” UNLESS one IS BORN OF WATER.

Would He be needing to remind Nicodemus about his own birth? Is Jesus more concerned with physical birth for Nicodemus or for anyone else who has already been physically born? Or is He more concerned with a SPIRITUAL birth? If Jesus wanted to say that one must be born once biologically (of birth water) and then again from the Spirit, would He not have made it clearer such as saying, “born of the womb and the Spirit” or “born of flesh and the Spirit”?

In verse 6 He says “That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.“ If born of water in John 3:5 is referring to birth water (it’s not), then why didn’t Jesus say “born from their mother’s womb”, as He did in Matthew 19:12?

To my knowledge, the Bible never uses the words “born of water” to describe amniotic fluid. Jesus said “water” and that is exactly what He meant, else what did John mean later in this same chapter when he wrote that John baptized at Aenon because “there was much water there (v 23)?

In an article on "Baptism and Remission" in Baptist Quarterly (July, 1877, pg. 309), Wilmarth said:

"Christ Himself, in His early Judean ministry 'made and baptized disciples.' His preaching at the outset was of similar purport with that of John. It is natural to suppose that His baptism (in connection with repentance and faith) was, like John's, in order to remission. We are confirmed in this by our Savior's words to Nicodemus, who came to Him during that early period to learn more fully, no doubt, of the kingdom which Christ and John were preaching. Christ said to him, "except a man be born of water and of the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God;" i.e. Baptism and Renewal by the Spirit are the conditions of true citizenship in the kingdom of God on earth. Unquestionably, Remission was one of the blessings of that kingdom." [1]

In Wall's History of Infant Baptism (Vol. I, pg. 443) we find:

"All the ancient Christians (without the exception of one man) do understand that rule of the Savior, John 3:5, 'Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God'; of baptism. [1]

"I had occasion in the First Part to bring a great many instances of their sayings: where all that mention that text, from Justin Martyr down to St. Austin (Augustine) do so apply it. Neither did I ever see it otherwise applied in any ancient writer. I believe Calvin was the first that ever denied this place to mean baptism. He gives another interpretation, which he confesses to be new." [1]

Philip Schaff:

"In view of the facts that John baptized, that Christ Himself was baptized, that His disciples (4:2) baptized in His name, it seems impossible to disconnect water from baptism. Calvin's interpretation arose from doctrinal opposition to the Roman Catholic over-evaluation of the sacrament, which must be guarded against in another way" (footnote on John 3;5, Lange's Commentary, Vol. III, 127). [1]

In his Notes on John 3:5, Albert Barnes said:

"Be born of water. By water, here, is evidently signified baptism. Thus the word is used in Ephesians 5:26; Titus 3:5)." [1]

Adam Clarke said:

"Baptism in water, into the Christian faith, was necessary to every Jew and Gentile that entered into the kingdom of the Messiah" (Commentary on John 3:5). [1]

A professor at Southern Baptist Theological Seminary say to a large class: "If you have not been tampered with, you will admit that the water in John 3:5 refers to baptism."[1]

The same professor said to a second year Greek class studying the book of Galatians, that Paul's statement in Galatians 3:26,27 shows that "in New Testament days it was understood that a person was not in fellowship with Christ until after he was baptized." After some discussion on the statement, he said, "I don't make it (baptism) essential to salvation." I believe in the first statement he spoke as a Greek scholar, but in the latter statement he spoke as a Baptist preacher! [1]

Scholarship admits that "water" in John 3:5 refers to baptism. Of course, it has been true all along; it doesn't take "scholarship" to make it so. But it is obvious that anybody who tries to argue that it means something else is inconsistent with both the "scholars" and the word of Christ. "Let God be true, but every man a liar" (Romans 3:4). [1]

Case Notes:

Cooper , James E. The New Birth of Water, Biblical Insights, 2 Feb. 2005 [1]
Yet we see here that everyone who believes is already born again.

“Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ has been born of God, and everyone who loves the Father loves whoever has been born of him.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭5‬:‭1‬ ‭ESV‬‬
https://bible.com/bible/59/1jn.5.1.ESV
 

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I didn't really read your posts, but to sumise all you really need to do is to believe in your heart that God raised the Lord Jesus from the dead. It is also important to believe that he is the Christ so that God will adopt you as a child of his.

KJV - Ephesians 1:5
Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
also if I confess that Jesus is my Lord there’s an understanding that comes with the term “Lord “

“And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?

Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like: he is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock.


But he that heareth, and doeth not, is like a man that without a foundation built an house upon the earth; against which the stream did beat vehemently, and immediately it fell; and the ruin of that house was great.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭6:46-49‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Lord has meaning our confession needs to have the same meaning as if we are subjecting ourselves to a ruler and king a Lord over us.
 
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This is what it takes to be saved. If you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus, i.e. talk about him (not to put it exactly - with all humbleness), and believe that God raised him from the dead (in your heart), thou shalt be saved. To put it into other words if you are doing such a thing and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. But all you really need to do is to believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead.
Not what Paul said. He said one believes into righteousness with the heart and acknowledges into salvation with the mouth

That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth into righteousness; and with the mouth acknowledgement is made into salvation. Romans 10:9-10
 

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Not what Paul said. He said one believes into righteousness with the heart and acknowledges into salvation with the mouth

That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth into righteousness; and with the mouth acknowledgement is made into salvation. Romans 10:9-10
“For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭1:16-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

As we continue in his word because he’s our lord , his righteousness reveals itself as we go the more we know and learn the more we’re able to walk upright
 

Jimbone

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A lot of people uses Acts 16:31 to teach we are saved by faith alone to negate the necessity of water baptism. Does this verse teach that? Let’s see…

If someone was wanting to become a Christian and I tell them to “believe on the Lord Jesus Christ” and that’s all I tell them, would they know anything about Jesus other than He was the Lord?

No, they would not. In other words, in order to know about Jesus to believe on Him I would have to speak the word of the Lord to that person for them to know who Jesus is and for them to have faith in Jesus.

Paul and Silas spoke the word of the Lord to the jailer AFTER they told him to believe on Jesus (Acts 16:32).

Why did they do this for if he was ALREADY saved?

The reason they did this is so he would understand and have FAITH. Romans 10:17 teaches faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God.

Now, once that happened, what did he and all his end up doing?

They got baptized (v 33). That’s in perfect harmony with Mark 16:16. They believed and was baptized.

So going back to verse 31, when Paul and Silas told him to BELIEVE on the Lord Jesus Christ to be saved, we see in verse 34 that he believed in God with all his household. But was he and his household said to have BELIEVED in God with all his household BEFORE or AFTER he was baptized?

If he was saved in verse 31, then why was he not REJOICING having believed in God with all his household? It wasn’t until AFTER they were baptized that it says he REJOICED, having BELIEVED in God with all his household. (v34).

So putting this together:

1) He was told to BELIEVE in Jesus (v31).

2) He and his household heard the word of the Lord spoken (v32)

3) After HEARING the word he had faith due to hearing the word (Romans 10:17)

4) Then he and all his got BAPTIZED (v 33)

5) It was AFTER he got baptized that he REJOICED having BELIEVED in God with all his household (v34).

We learn from Acts 16:34, that believing in God, is to be baptized, and to believe on Jesus (v 31) is to be baptized.
Please understand I am not trying to say that there aren't people who were saved at baptism like this. One thing I do know is each one of our "being saved" looks different and is personal between us and God, to a degree. So I wanted to start by saying this because even though I don't believe baptism as far as physically in water, has to do with actual salvation, I'm not trying to say that some people aren't saved this way, God uses many different ways to save us.

That said. what do you say to someone like me who can tell you that I was saved before I was baptized? I was. I then wanted to obey Jesus and scripture, and get baptized, then was, but how on earth can I testify to you that the truth is I was spiritually born-again, I mean spirit resurrected, reconciled to His Spirit, made all new, old man dead overnight by the grace and POWER of our God alone through Jesus sacrifice on the cross taking the wrath I earned so God could justly grant me His righteousness, gospel saved "FO REAL" in Jesus, before I was baptized. I'm telling you as a brother in Christ that I was saved before I was baptized, what do you say to me?
 

Magenta

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If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart
that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. Romans 10:9

:)
 

Magenta

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Ephesians 2:8-9 For it is by grace you have been saved through faith, and this not from yourselves; it is the gift of God, not by works, so that no one can boast.
:)
 

homwardbound

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Please understand I am not trying to say that there aren't people who were saved at baptism like this. One thing I do know is each one of our "being saved" looks different and is personal between us and God, to a degree. So I wanted to start by saying this because even though I don't believe baptism as far as physically in water, has to do with actual salvation, I'm not trying to say that some people aren't saved this way, God uses many different ways to save us.

That said. what do you say to someone like me who can tell you that I was saved before I was baptized? I was. I then wanted to obey Jesus and scripture, and get baptized, then was, but how on earth can I testify to you that the truth is I was spiritually born-again, I mean spirit resurrected, reconciled to His Spirit, made all new, old man dead overnight by the grace and POWER of our God alone through Jesus sacrifice on the cross taking the wrath I earned so God could justly grant me His righteousness, gospel saved "FO REAL" in Jesus, before I was baptized. I'm telling you as a brother in Christ that I was saved before I was baptized, what do you say to me?
I say you were Spirit of God Father Baptized, in God's Spirit, that is the one true Baptism, that the Bible does not clarify when it says Baptism. To get, been Baptized, Jesus had to get water Baptized to do all that was right (Fulfill Law), as he told John that, John must water Baptize him
What???????????????????? Yes, John also said he must be Baptized by Jesus in Father's Spirit and Truth, that is not water y'all that is God's Spirit Baptism, thanks, God rests, so do I now after born new from Daddy PaPa wow! thank you Father and Son as Won for me anyways, I am free because of your done work of Son for me. Wow, woe is me Isaiah 6:1-7
 

homwardbound

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If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart
that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. Romans 10:9

:)
Wait a sec, man says we need to do more, to be sure and convince others we are in, Really?
I only see one is willing or one is not willing, each given the free choice to choose to do o not do, Thank you Lord, Thank you a million times over thank you
 

Beckworth

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Romans 10:9 KJV

That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

This is what it takes to be saved. If you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus, i.e. talk about him (not to put it exactly - with all humbleness), and believe that God raised him from the dead (in your heart), thou shalt be saved. To put it into other words if you are doing such a thing and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. But all you really need to do is to believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead.

We have a Bible example, approved by God and given by the Holy Spirit of what that “confession” is/-Acts 8:37, the eunuch said, just before he was baptized, “I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.” That’s what He wants us to confess with our mouth. Matthew10:32, Jesus says if you confess ME before men, I will confess you before God.

I John 4:15 says whoever confesses THAT JESUS IS THE SON OF GOD, God abides in him.”

One of the things wrong with the “sinner’s prayer”, besides not being in the Bible and being a commandment of men is that they have you confessing that you are a sinner, as if that is the confession that God is talking about in Roman’s 10:10. Not so. We are to confess our faith or belief that He is the Son of God.

Confession is certainly a requirement of salvation but is not the ONLY requirement given in scripture. There are many other passages in the Bible that tell us how to be saved that that deal with other acts besides confession. Faith of course is required, but faith is coupled with baptism in Mark 16:16. Jesus himself tells us this. We must believe Him. In Actsc2:38 when the Jews asked specifically what they needed to do to be saved, Peter told to “repent and be baptized for the remission of sins.”

So what are we to do??? One scripture tells us to “believe”; one scripture tells us to “repent”; one scripture tells us to “confess” and many scriptures tell us to be “baptized”. How do we interpret what to do? The ANSWER is in 119:160. The Holy Spirit tells us to “add” it all together. Actually the word He used is “the SUM” of God’s word is TRUTH. If you want the TRUTH, you must take ALL of what God has said in ALL of the scriptures that talk about salvation and put them ALL together. Then, and only then, do you have the TRUTH about salvation. Please take note that the word “ONLY” nor the word “ALONE” is not in ANY of those verses. We must not make the mistake of “adding” it in when we read scriptures about “faith”, “confession” or “repentance.” God plainly intends for us to do ALL that He has commanded. If you “add” the word ONLY to any of the scriptures given here, you immediately have a CONTRADICTION in the Bible with other verses.

So, yes, confession is “ unto salvation” in Romans 10:10. Just make sure (1) it is the right confession that God requires. (2) Make sure you do not “add” the word ONLY, and (3) don’t leave out the OTHER REQUIREMENTS. God had specified in the Bible for salvation.
 

Beckworth

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I didn't really read your posts, but to sumise all you really need to do is to believe in your heart that God raised the Lord Jesus from the dead. It is also important to believe that he is the Christ so that God will adopt you as a child of his.

KJV - Ephesians 1:5
Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

Truth does not fear investigation, but error does not like to be challenged. You really should read his posts. Be like the Bereans, Acts 17:11. They received the words of Paul (they listened) and then they searched the scriptures to see if those things were so. God called them “fair minded” because they did this. God complimented them. To refuse to listen to anyone with a different belief than yours does not only seem to be “not” fair minded, but also “close minded.”
 

Beckworth

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We have a Bible example, approved by God and given by the Holy Spirit of what that “confession” is/-Acts 8:37, the eunuch said, just before he was baptized, “I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.” That’s what He wants us to confess with our mouth. Matthew10:32, Jesus says if you confess ME before men, I will confess you before God.

I John 4:15 says whoever confesses THAT JESUS IS THE SON OF GOD, God abides in him.”

One of the things wrong with the “sinner’s prayer”, besides not being in the Bible and being a commandment of men is that they have you confessing that you are a sinner, as if that is the confession that God is talking about in Roman’s 10:10. Not so. We are to confess our faith or belief that He is the Son of God.

Confession is certainly a requirement of salvation but is not the ONLY requirement given in scripture. There are many other passages in the Bible that tell us how to be saved that that deal with other acts besides confession. Faith of course is required, but faith is coupled with baptism in Mark 16:16. Jesus himself tells us this. We must believe Him. In Actsc2:38 when the Jews asked specifically what they needed to do to be saved, Peter told to “repent and be baptized for the remission of sins.”

So what are we to do??? One scripture tells us to “believe”; one scripture tells us to “repent”; one scripture tells us to “confess” and many scriptures tell us to be “baptized”. How do we interpret what to do? The ANSWER is in 119:160. The Holy Spirit tells us to “add” it all together. Actually the word He used is “the SUM” of God’s word is TRUTH. If you want the TRUTH, you must take ALL of what God has said in ALL of the scriptures that talk about salvation and put them ALL together. Then, and only then, do you have the TRUTH about salvation. Please take note that the word “ONLY” nor the word “ALONE” is not in ANY of those verses. We must not make the mistake of “adding” it in when we read scriptures about “faith”, “confession” or “repentance.” God plainly intends for us to do ALL that He has commanded. If you “add” the word ONLY to any of the scriptures given here, you immediately have a CONTRADICTION in the Bible with other verses.

So, yes, confession is “ unto salvation” in Romans 10:10. Just make sure (1) it is the right confession that God requires. (2) Make sure you do not “add” the word ONLY, and (3) don’t leave out the OTHER REQUIREMENTS. God had specified in the Bible for salvation.[/QUOTE

I inadvertently left out the name of the book for chapter 119 and verse 160. If you can’t tell, That is the book of Psalms. I apologize for the error.