Slain in the spirit?
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He knows what You and I am saying about the Will of the Father is true but the spirit controlling him won't allow the truth to be acknowledged. Jesus said if we aren't for Him then we are against Him. That bit of truth is evident all throughout this thread and across the general topics being discussed.
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NOW YOU ARE GETTING INTO DIVERSION...
Any command that is in the Bible that is from God... is ultimately from the Lord Jesus Christ.
To be a good handler one must KNOW what the Greek and Hebrew is telling the believer.
Translations are too many times, either watered down, or misleading in ambiguity that does not exist in the original language.
You need the whole chapter, when what I quoted from is pretty much standing on its own two feet?
You show me how the context would change what they say, then?
Context is important, But not for every verse. Yet, many.
Dumb arguments would cease if some of you found good teachers.
Any command that is in the Bible that is from God... is ultimately from the Lord Jesus Christ.
To be a good handler one must KNOW what the Greek and Hebrew is telling the believer.
Translations are too many times, either watered down, or misleading in ambiguity that does not exist in the original language.
You need the whole chapter, when what I quoted from is pretty much standing on its own two feet?
You show me how the context would change what they say, then?
Context is important, But not for every verse. Yet, many.
Dumb arguments would cease if some of you found good teachers.
the reason we need the contezt of the whole chapter is because the message of the chapter itself may not be saying what one is pulling a single verse to say that is just common sense when stufying in general you can pull a verse from a chapter that says one thing but without knowing what the rest of the chapter is saying it could be meaning something else entirely. as for knowing greek and hebrew yes it does help but you don't need it to know the truth that is what the holy spirit is for he will reveal all truths whether one knows greek or hebrew or not. and considering the truth you can show what you think the truth is but that may not be what the spirit says it is I can easily pull a verse from any chapter of the word to try to make it say something but that is disrespting the word I am not interested in petty debates proving or disproving that is what causes all this division in the body to begin with.
Love is the one thing you need above all else to know and properly use his word if your using it and it isn't bringing the fruits of the spirit then your ussing it in vain.
the teacher I have is Jesus Christ himself if there is truth to be found I trust him to reveal it to me not any other man or women. if you want a good teacher I would however recomment @studentoftheword we disagree on certain things but they are a good place to start when stufying the word you however make lots of accusations against people I see it a lot so you would benefit from not being a teacher but revert back to being a student
Love is the one thing you need above all else to know and properly use his word if your using it and it isn't bringing the fruits of the spirit then your ussing it in vain.
the teacher I have is Jesus Christ himself if there is truth to be found I trust him to reveal it to me not any other man or women. if you want a good teacher I would however recomment @studentoftheword we disagree on certain things but they are a good place to start when stufying the word you however make lots of accusations against people I see it a lot so you would benefit from not being a teacher but revert back to being a student
A false balance is an abomination to the Lord, but a just weight is His delight. Prov 11:1
Example:
Context is good for good interpretation and avoiding cherry-picking subjectivity.
But, to insist that the context is needed 100 % of the time is an unbalanced concept.
For, some verses stand on their own.
That also applies to yourself.... Especially, for those who want to claim the temporary gifts are still active.
Yes... Something is right now being very active.
So it is very important to discern what it is that is taking place.
For what some of the temporary gifts were?
Today are now exactly what those whom the Lord will tell that He never knew them, are doing!
There is no knowledge to be gained in any of that.
It is supernatural show biz. Sensationalism...
It's what non-objective thinkers seek...
In Christ ...........
Yes... Something is right now being very active.
So it is very important to discern what it is that is taking place.
For what some of the temporary gifts were?
Today are now exactly what those whom the Lord will tell that He never knew them, are doing!
“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven,
but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name
and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’
Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you who practice
iniquity !’ Matthew 7:21-23
There is no knowledge to be gained in any of that.
It is supernatural show biz. Sensationalism...
It's what non-objective thinkers seek...
In Christ ...........
I agree. But I do know that it is through sharing the word and prayer that some will come to accept the truth. We know God's word does not return void, it accomplishes His desired purpose. Sometimes in those specifically presented with it, or in bystanders.
I am reminded of someone who was led numerous times to minister to a person who rejected every word. The truth of why this took place was eventually revealed. Someone else was listening. The seeds of truth were planted, the person was obedient and became a born again Christian.
"For as the rain cometh down, and the snow from heaven, and returneth not thither, but watereth the earth, and maketh it bring forth and bud, that it may give seed to the sower, and bread to the eater:
So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.
For ye shall go out with joy, and be led forth with peace: the mountains and the hills shall break forth before you into singing, and all the trees of the field shall clap their hands.
Instead of the thorn shall come up the fir tree, and instead of the brier shall come up the myrtle tree: and it shall be to the Lord for a name, for an everlasting sign that shall not be cut off." Isa 55:10-13
I am reminded of someone who was led numerous times to minister to a person who rejected every word. The truth of why this took place was eventually revealed. Someone else was listening. The seeds of truth were planted, the person was obedient and became a born again Christian.
"For as the rain cometh down, and the snow from heaven, and returneth not thither, but watereth the earth, and maketh it bring forth and bud, that it may give seed to the sower, and bread to the eater:
So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.
For ye shall go out with joy, and be led forth with peace: the mountains and the hills shall break forth before you into singing, and all the trees of the field shall clap their hands.
Instead of the thorn shall come up the fir tree, and instead of the brier shall come up the myrtle tree: and it shall be to the Lord for a name, for an everlasting sign that shall not be cut off." Isa 55:10-13
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The only one's who get "suckered", (your word, not mine) is those who twist and take God's word out of context. And I would say most times it's not intentional. The way to avoid doing this is to not put the cart before the horse. Seek FIRST the kingdom of God and His righteousness. (His way of being righteous) And that involves being born again of water and Spirit as revealed in the word. Why? Because it is the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit that leads people into ALL truth.
What Jesus told His apostles remains true today. We are to postpone going forth to minister to others until we are equipped to do so. And this involves belief and obedience as defined in Acts 2. Unfortunately most people today disobey Jesus and pursue building a ministry before ever being equipped to do so. We are called to be wise builders:
"Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like:
He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock." Luke 6:47-48
What Jesus told His apostles remains true today. We are to postpone going forth to minister to others until we are equipped to do so. And this involves belief and obedience as defined in Acts 2. Unfortunately most people today disobey Jesus and pursue building a ministry before ever being equipped to do so. We are called to be wise builders:
"Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like:
He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock." Luke 6:47-48
Agreed.
This truth is foreshadowed in the Old Testament. The Israelites escaped the bondage of Egypt through obediance to commands that parallel those associated with the NT rebirth. However, the unwillingness to obey God during the wilderness journey kept most of those whom God had freed from bondage from entering into the promised land. (a foreshadow of Heaven) Only Caleb and Joshua along with those who had not yet reached the age of accountability were allowed enter. And only AFTER crossing the water of the Jordan and being circumcised at the Hill of Gilgal.
Paul revealed what happened to the Israelites is a warning for those living in the NT; many are called but few are chosen:
"Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea; (Holy Spirit and water baptism)
And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness.
Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.
Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.
Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand.
Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents.
Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer.
Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.
WHEREFORE let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall. (1 Cor 10:1-12)
This truth is foreshadowed in the Old Testament. The Israelites escaped the bondage of Egypt through obediance to commands that parallel those associated with the NT rebirth. However, the unwillingness to obey God during the wilderness journey kept most of those whom God had freed from bondage from entering into the promised land. (a foreshadow of Heaven) Only Caleb and Joshua along with those who had not yet reached the age of accountability were allowed enter. And only AFTER crossing the water of the Jordan and being circumcised at the Hill of Gilgal.
Paul revealed what happened to the Israelites is a warning for those living in the NT; many are called but few are chosen:
"Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea; (Holy Spirit and water baptism)
And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness.
Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.
Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.
Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand.
Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents.
Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer.
Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.
WHEREFORE let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall. (1 Cor 10:1-12)
@Genez
I thought it important to clarify something in my comment in post 698:
it is only after believing and obeying what is clearly seen with our natural eyes that ours spiritual eyes become open. It is at that point that the born again Christian has ability to clearly see what they stood on faith to believe.
I thought it important to clarify something in my comment in post 698:
it is only after believing and obeying what is clearly seen with our natural eyes that ours spiritual eyes become open. It is at that point that the born again Christian has ability to clearly see what they stood on faith to believe.
I know this was not addressed to me.
I actually am not even addressing you.
But these questions you have presented are very good and I wanted to answer them anyways for my own reasoning
Having the FAITH to believe in God
Grace has to do with the fact that we on our own merit and works cannot do enough to be equivalent to what we know as being saved. So Grace is God making a way so we can be saved.
I actually am not even addressing you.
But these questions you have presented are very good and I wanted to answer them anyways for my own reasoning
Having the FAITH to believe in God
Grace has to do with the fact that we on our own merit and works cannot do enough to be equivalent to what we know as being saved. So Grace is God making a way so we can be saved.
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