The conversion of the Philippian Jailer in Acts 16.

[Believer08]

I believe after Pentecost they’d need to be baptized into Christ to have their sins forgiven, as to have the blood of Christ, one must be in Christ (Gal 3:27).
Since Jesus stated Mark 16:16 to His apostles, “He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned”, after He just got through upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen (v14), then was that not a sin that they did? Having unbelief and hardness of heart? It is…and they’d need their sins forgiven by His blood. It is after this that He gives the command to them to preach the gospel to every creature and says to believe and be baptized (Mark 16:15-16).

If I was an Apostle and my Lord and Savior had just upbraided me for my unbelief and hardness of heart, I’d have wanted His precious and holy blood to wash away my sins right then and there to save me.

If anyone who lived on this side of the cross did not get baptized, then they were not put into Christ’s death, burial and resurrection (Rom. 6:3-6), His church/body where the saved are at (Acts 2:47; 1 Cor. 12:13; Eph. 5:23), and did not receive the remission of sins (Acts 2:38), by having their sins washed away by Christ’s blood (Acts 22:16; cf. Rev. 1:5) which He shed at His death (Mt. 26:28).

 

[HeIsHere]

I think we can agree that disobedience to Jesus is not an automatic disqualifier of the salvation that comes by grace through faith in Christ as Saviour. So, in that sense, one does not need to be baptised to be saved or remain saved.

However, the question I would ask is, "Is it disobedience to Jesus to refuse to be baptised after reading scriptures where Jesus commands His disciples to baptise believers in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit (Matt. 28:18-20; Mark 16:16); Jesus baptised people (John 3:22, 4:1-2); and where Jesus disciples command believers to be baptised (Acts 2:38, Acts 10:48, Acts 22:16); and Paul assumes all believers have been baptised (1 Cor. 1:13-17)?

So, my question is, "Is it disobedience not to get baptised after one reads these texts"?

Most biblical scholars agree that Mark 16:16, along with verses 9-20, were added to the scripture later and were not part of the original text written by Mark; they are considered a later addition, often referred to as the "longer ending" of Mark's Gospel

I am not going to discuss if this is disobedience.

My one and only point is baptism does not save and is not required for salvation.
End of Story.

Baptismal regeneration is a made up doctrine and Christians (those who are born again the way scripture clearly teaches) should decry anything that adds to the simple Gospel.

 

[mailmandan]

Most biblical scholars agree that Mark 16:16, along with verses 9-20, were added to the scripture later and were not part of the original text written by Mark; they are considered a later addition, often referred to as the "longer ending" of Mark's Gospel

I am not going to discuss if this is disobedience.

My one and only point is baptism does not save and is not required for salvation.
End of Story.

Baptismal regeneration is a made up doctrine and Christians (those who are born again the way scripture clearly teaches) should decry anything that adds to the simple Gospel.

Does Mark 16:16 teach that baptism is necessary for salvation?

https://www.gotquestions.org/baptism-Mark-16-16.html

 

[keepingthingsreal]

Baptismal regeneration is a made up doctrine and Christians (those who are born again the way scripture clearly teaches) should decry anything that adds to the simple Gospel.

It is not a made up doctrine. Instead, it is the answer of a good conscience towards God (1 Pet. 3:21-22), and you and several others here apparently do not know what that means.

Tit 3:4
But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared,
Tit 3:5
Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

 

[HeIsHere]

It is not a made up doctrine. Instead, it is the answer of a good conscience towards God (1 Pet. 3:21-22), and you and several others here apparently do not know what that means.

Tit 3:4
But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared,
Tit 3:5
Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

Is this the physical washing or the spiritual?

 

[HeIsHere]

Does Mark 16:16 teach that baptism is necessary for salvation?

https://www.gotquestions.org/baptism-Mark-16-16.html

Thank you I forgot to add the link on my post.

Plus special shout out to Gemini, my new online help mate, lol

 

[HeIsHere]

What difference does it make? God told believers to do it.

Anything that takes away from the all sufficient work of Christ Jesus is a problem.
Some people will clearly state not baptized not saved, others try to straddle some middle lane.
So yes it makes a difference.

I think @mailmandan has clearly outlined the correct understanding of the role of baptism several times over.

 

[HeIsHere]

No.

Baptism was the moment and place that the blood of Jesus caused the remission of my sins.

Did believing in Faith Alone Regeneration Theology save you?

Will I be damned if I don't sell my soul on the altar of your theology?

BTW, your comment is still poppycock.

I am surprised you think water baptism saves?
The remission of sin was accomplished at the cross by Christ Jesus, not by the ritual of water baptism.

 

[mailmandan]

It is not a made up doctrine. Instead, it is the answer of a good conscience towards God (1 Pet. 3:21-22), and you and several others here apparently do not know what that means.

Tit 3:4
But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared,
Tit 3:5
Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

Baptismal regeneration is a false doctrine that is taught by the Roman Catholic church.

In regard to 1 Peter 3:21, by Peter saying, "not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God for a good conscience -through the resurrection of Jesus Christ," Peter guards against saving power to the physical ceremony in H20.

The washing of regeneration is not accomplished by water baptism. The word "washing" in the Strong's Greek Concordance with Vine's Number 3067 - (Loutron) "a bath, a laver" is used *metaphorically of the Word of God, as the instrument of spiritual cleansing,* (Ephesians 5:26; and Titus 3:5), of the "washing of regeneration." Washing refers to spiritual washing or purification of the soul, accomplished by the word of God through the Holy Spirit at the moment of salvation. Water baptism is the picture but is not the reality.

In John 15:3, Jesus told the disciples they are already clean because of the word He has spoken to them. All except Judas Iscariot. (John 13:10-11)

 

[PaulThomson]

Most biblical scholars agree that Mark 16:16, along with verses 9-20, were added to the scripture later and were not part of the original text written by Mark; they are considered a later addition, often referred to as the "longer ending" of Mark's Gospel

I am not going to discuss if this is disobedience.

My one and only point is baptism does not save and is not required for salvation.
End of Story.

Baptismal regeneration is a made up doctrine and Christians (those who are born again the way scripture clearly teaches) should decry anything that adds to the simple Gospel.

When I became persuaded that Jesus is the only teacher I need and the Bible is the only book I need to live life rightly, I sought out a pastor who would baptise me in Jesus name as a formal act of obedience and trust declaring my faith in and submission to Jesus Christ as Lord. I see it as the counterpoint to Adam and Eve untrusting disobedience to a command, doing something seemingly innocuous that marred their consciences. Baptism was another seemingly innocuous act which expressed my turning to an attitude of trust and obedience, forsaking distrust and independence. As Peter says, it was the answer of a clean conscience toward God.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Anything that takes away from the all sufficient work of Christ Jesus is a problem.
Some people will clearly state not baptized not saved, others try to straddle some middle lane.
So yes it makes a difference.

I think @mailmandan has clearly outlined the correct understanding of the role of baptism several times over.

Obedience to God doesn't take away from the work of Christ; it builds on that foundation. You seem to think that salvation is achieved by not obeying God's words

 

[HeIsHere]

Obedience to God doesn't take away from the work of Christ; it builds on that foundation. You seem to think that salvation is achieved by not obeying God's words

Salvation is not achieved it is received.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Salvation is not achieved it is received.

Justification is freely received; salvation requires your obedience and cooperation.

 

[HeIsHere]

When I became persuaded that Jesus is the only teacher I need and the Bible is the only book I need to live life rightly, I sought out a pastor who would baptise me in Jesus name as a formal act of obedience and trust declaring my faith in and submission to Jesus Christ as Lord. I see it as the counterpoint to Adam and Eve untrusting disobedience to a command, doing something seemingly innocuous that marred their consciences. Baptism was another seemingly innocuous act which expressed my turning to an attitude of trust and obedience, forsaking distrust and independence. As Peter says, it was the answer of a clean conscience toward God.

That is fine and I understand this completely.
But you were fully and completely saved/regenerated/justified/redeemed before you were baptized.

 

[HeIsHere]

Justification is freely received; salvation requires your obedience and cooperation.

Depends which "salvation" you are speaking about?

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Depends which "salvation" you are speaking about?

Salvation of the body, soul and spirit.

 

[HeIsHere]

Salvation of the body, soul and spirit.

This could require some work...

 

[keepingthingsreal]

Baptismal regeneration is a false doctrine that is taught by the Roman Catholic church.

In regard to 1 Peter 3:21, by Peter saying, "not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God for a good conscience -through the resurrection of Jesus Christ," Peter guards against saving power to the physical ceremony in H20.

The washing of regeneration is not accomplished by water baptism. The word "washing" in the Strong's Greek Concordance with Vine's Number 3067 - (Loutron) "a bath, a laver" is used *metaphorically of the Word of God, as the instrument of spiritual cleansing,* (Ephesians 5:26; and Titus 3:5), of the "washing of regeneration." Washing refers to spiritual washing or purification of the soul, accomplished by the word of God through the Holy Spirit at the moment of salvation. Water baptism is the picture but is not the reality.

In John 15:3, Jesus told the disciples they are already clean because of the word He has spoken to them. All except Judas Iscariot. (John 13:10-11)

Hey, mailmandan.

For now, I just want to acknowledge that I read your response. I do disagree with some of what you said, but I will not address that now. Somewhere down the line, I am hoping to start a blog on the topic of water baptism because it seems to be an issue which regularly comes up in Christian circles. If/When I do, then I will provide a link to it on this thread for everybody's possible consideration.

Oh, before I go...

FLY EAGLES, FLY!!!

 

[mailmandan]

Depends which "salvation" you are speaking about?

There are 3 tenses to salvation that often get confused by works-salvationists.

1. We have been saved from the PENALTY of sin (justification)
2. We are being saved from the POWER of sin (ongoing sanctification)
3. We will be saved from the PRESENCE of sin (glorification)

 

[mailmandan]

Hey, mailmandan.

For now, I just want to acknowledge that I read your response. I do disagree with some of what you said, but I will not address that now. Somewhere down the line, I am hoping to start a blog on the topic of water baptism because it seems to be an issue which regularly comes up in Christian circles. If/When I do, then I will provide a link to it on this thread for everybody's possible consideration.

Oh, before I go...

FLY EAGLES, FLY!!!

Okay and before I go.