God gave the law about Circumcision.
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How are becoming a part of the family of God? Does He kick us out if we sin or are we considered always a member of His family through the blood of His Son? The law consists of much more than just the 10 commandments. Do you keep all of it? If you brake even one small part of it, you are guilty of breaking all of it. Do you loose your salvation when this happens and do you have to get saved all over again whenever you sin?
For whoever keeps the whole Law but fails in one point is guilty of breaking all of it. James 2:10
We are never saved from sin by what we do or how good we think we are, before or after our salvation. Only the blood of Christ cleanses us from sin and the Bible never states anywhere that we become sinless while still in this world.
It seems you wish to continue on with your beliefs that are not based in scripture but are instead based on some interpretation that selectively picks certain scripture and leaves out scripture that does not confirm your erroneous beliefs. Further, no one is saved from birth but must actively become a Christian by making a commitment to Jesus and understanding what His birth, life, death and resurrection mean.
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Not sure about what? Anyone can paste Bible verses as you are doing, but in what way do these verses have anything to do with the discussion?
You may say the Bible is your teacher, but the way you have gone way off the op, indicates you do not follow logically the teaching in scripture. The Bible is not confusing if you allow it to teach you but when you try to use verses for what you believe, the Bible will never back you up.
The law has judged you and found you to be worthy of death. Only belief in Jesus can save you.
The law of Moses was never given to Israel so that Israel could go to heaven.
The law of Moses was given to Israel telling them why they were not going to heaven.
Jesus was the only person that ever obeyed the law because Jesus was righteous.
As for the rest of us, the unrighteous, the law only informs us of our sinfulness.
The old covenant God had with Israel was based on the book of the law.
The new covenant Jesus gave us was not based on the law, the new covenant was based on His sacrifice.
We follow Jesus now and that is based on the power of the Holy Spirit.
There is a huge difference between God's law and the law of Christ.
Romans 7:4
Therefore, my brethren, you also were made to die to the Law through the body of Christ, so that you
might be joined to another, to Him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God.
Paul was directly speaking to the Jews in Rome about the law.
They were warned to die to the law and be joined to Jesus Christ.
The law was the basis of the old covenant in the flesh between God and Israel.
The sacrifice of Jesus was the basis of the new covenant in the spirit, between Jesus and humanity.
Do you see the remarkable difference between the old covenant and the new covenant?
One is the fulfillment of the other.
I don't know why you feel the need to ask such a pointless question. I quoted scripture. I believe God's word, but in its entirety, not taking scriptures out of context and making a doctrine out of them.
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Sir Dino first I am not a teacher and I don't belong in any well known group in Christianity.
As I mentioned I'm waiting for the Lord Jesus to Reveal the meaning of Spiritual Circumcision. That is why I don't have my own explanation on this.
Since our topic is GENESIS 17:10-13 I think you may post your understanding (as you said PLAINLY TEXT CLEARLY STATES) in GENESIS 17:10-13 and how do you follow this law.
Please do not hide by contradicting others post. I just observe you are criticizing the shares of people whom they think it is belong to God but I never read your share on how you obey the Law of God.
I know this character in the Bible who always Contradicting.
Remember Truth comes first before you can discern what is not Truth. It never happen that exposing Not The Truth in order to Know The Truth.
Sir how do you obey this Law in GENESIS 17:10-13?
Please share.
The Lord has already revealed the meaning of S.C. in TOP #24: The only circumcision that is salvific is that which is inward or of the heart and done by the Spirit. [RM 2:25-29, COL 2:11-12] Paul said that physical circumcision according to a written code has value only if one obeys the law, meaning perfectly per RM 3:23. The second passage (TOP #203) indicates that water baptism replaced fleshly circumcision as the outward sign of faith in God/Jesus.
Now the Lord is waiting for you to learn that truth so you can share it with others and move on to something else.
Spiritual circumcision is figurative language for the removal of the uncleaness of the flesh (symbolized by the foreskin) so that the holy spirit of God can dwell within in it. That's all it means.
Physical circumcision is more hygenic, ie, cleaner, than uncircumcision, and likewise a circumcised heart is clean, whereas an uncircumcised heart isn't. Again, figurative language, because the heart doesn't have a foreskin
Cleanness is the key to understanding spiritual circumcision. This verse in the LXX makes this clear by using the word cleanse instead of circumcise.
And the Lord your GOD will circumcise your heart, and the heart of your seed, to love the Lord your GOD with all your heart, and with all your soul, that you may live. Deuteronomy 30:6 (MT)
And the Lord shall cleanse your heart, and the heart of your seed, to love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, that you may live. Deuteronomy 30:6 (LXX)
I don’t obey this law, because it was not written to me. I am not a physical descendant of Abraham.
Philippians 3:3; Colossians 2:11; Romans 2:29b ~ For it is we who are the circumcision, we who worship by the Spirit of God, who glory in Christ Jesus, and who put no confidence in the flesh. You were also circumcised, in the putting off of your sinful nature, with the circumcision performed by Christ and not by human hands. Circumcision is a matter of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code.
I wonder if you actually read what’s said because, you clearly don’t understand and you never seem to actually reply to the issue - you seem to be mistaking Jews and Israelites - Abrahm or any of the others were not called Jews at the time. The point was God spoke to those he chose and yes the decedents of Abraham.
Yeap ignore the point of the discussion is fornication or eating things sacrificed unto idols allowed or not!
I quote the bible not just my own opinions with no evidence.
Obviously, belief in Jesus and salvation in following him and his teachings - How do you understand Luke 10 "eternal life" - "do this and you will live"?
Luke 10
25 And behold, a certain lawyer stood up and tested Him, saying, “Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?”
26 He said to him, “What is written in the law? What is your reading of it?”
27 And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.
28 And He said to him, “You have answered rightly; do this and you will live.”
No reply to the simple Q - Based on REV is fornication or eating things sacrificed unto idols allowed or not ?
As usual no reply to the actual discussion / simple Q - Based on REV is fornication or eating things sacrificed unto idols allowed or not ?
It is incorrect to base doctrine only on one passage and ignoring others. This is called proof-texting.
I thought y'all would have agreed by now that the totality of Scripture indicates it is wrong per REV to worship idols by participating in such rites where food is offered as a sacrifice, but permissible per Paul to eat the leftover food (since idols have poor appetites) if it is not done in the presence of a Christian with weaker faith who would be offended.
Sigh, no they were not. Abraham was not called an Israelite either. That was Jacob. If you want to be pedantic (and you do), there were no Jews in the Bible at all. It was a word coined in the Middle Ages. Jews are descended from the tribe of Judah. and comes from Hebrew "yehudi." The English word "Jew" is derived from the French word "Jeu"
I will reply to you as I see fit. If you don't like it, that's fine.
Again you don’t read well - I didn’t say Abraham was an Israelite, I said he was not a jew - Jew came from the tribe of Judah
dont need to reply at all