lol, You should give the fake news more credit than you do because for years they have told you we need thousands of troops on our southern and northern borders to keep out drugs and migrants. Which in the end will really come in handy to keep those trying to get away from the heat of the equator and at the same time have Canada thinking the troops are there to police the border when it's time to annex them as the 51'st state. But then again both Canada and Greenland will be premium land for crops as things warm up. What a nifty way to place thousands of troops in a position to invade without letting the cat out of the bag some may say. But then again if you were to look to the north and over the pole well the cold parts of Siberia will then be becoming premium land and there's no point in letting them take over the earth right? You deny one thing and invent another and the alarm bells never go off as you plan your move because the best way to hide an invading army is in plain sight.
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lol, You should give the fake news more credit than you do because for years they have told you we need thousands of troops on our southern and northern borders to keep out drugs and migrants. Which in the end will really come in handy to keep those trying to get away from the heat of the equator and at the same time have Canada thinking the troops are there to police the border when it's time to annex them as the 51'st state. But then again both Canada and Greenland will be premium land for crops as things warm up. What a nifty way to place thousands of troops in a position to invade without letting the cat out of the bag some may say. But then again if you were to look to the north and over the pole well the cold parts of Siberia will then be becoming premium land and there's no point in letting them take over the earth right? You deny one thing and invent another and the alarm bells never go off as you plan your move because the best way to hide an invading army is in plain sight.
I asked because I doubted you lived in a Dem area where you would have a greater chance of being persecuted for witnessing Christian morality, although many Dems are waking up to the fact that they were wrong about Trump.
My brother lives in Utah and has to be anti-Trump to keep the peace with his wife and her pro-Romney relatives, so he did not vote.
The anti-MAGA Christians I know think it is wrong to vote for Trump because they caught TDS from Fake News or think his sins (mean tweets and past sexual immorality) are worse than those of Biden & Co., even though the Marxist Dem policies have resulted in abetting crime, child mutilation (trans surgeries), and the deaths of thousands due to fentanyl, abortion and the war in Ukraine.
So, if I do not have you pegged, I would be interested to hear your reasoning for not being Red like most of your fellow Texans unless you live in areas like Austin--oh, nevermind, I just saw your last post which indicates you have been duped by the fake news, which have been shills for Biden's Open Borders policy and Marxist lawfare.
My brother lives in Utah and has to be anti-Trump to keep the peace with his wife and her pro-Romney relatives, so he did not vote.
The anti-MAGA Christians I know think it is wrong to vote for Trump because they caught TDS from Fake News or think his sins (mean tweets and past sexual immorality) are worse than those of Biden & Co., even though the Marxist Dem policies have resulted in abetting crime, child mutilation (trans surgeries), and the deaths of thousands due to fentanyl, abortion and the war in Ukraine.
So, if I do not have you pegged, I would be interested to hear your reasoning for not being Red like most of your fellow Texans unless you live in areas like Austin--oh, nevermind, I just saw your last post which indicates you have been duped by the fake news, which have been shills for Biden's Open Borders policy and Marxist lawfare.
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You it seems do not have as many well pegged as you seem to assume. This though is nothing new it was known from the beginning there would be supporters that were aligned for many different reasons and ideas. This is all fine though Trump is in office now and so he can implement his own type Monroe doctrine which he is already by separating the US from the European's. As it seems many even within MAGA itself do not yet agree with our manifest destiny but time will tell.
From the OP/first post and Acts 5:39 the thought is to assume that all of MAGA is a Christian movement when that's only one of the many groups of voters Trump approached as supporters. In the Christian forums Trump supporters tend to see the MAGA movement as if an Christian type theocracy is on the rise. Then there's people like Musk who is also a Trump supporter who are atheist/agnostic or V.R. and Oz who are Hindu and so have no vision of a Christian theocracy. Then there are militia groups and every other group who have attached themselves to Trump down to even young voters who voted for the same ones where they work just because every one around them was and they wanted to fit in. Trump has supporters who are Jewish and others who are Muslim and supporters who are from big businesses who have no vision about a Christian theocracy spawning out of MAGA. The point I'm trying to make is that in the big picture the Christian supporters, and I am Christian mine own self are only just a certain number of the supporters Trump has gathered into MAGA and were only going to get one slice of the whole pie. In Christian groups we see this through Christian eyes but the vast amount of others have their eyes on plans that are different from ours.
Glad you mentioned a portion of pie-in-the-sky was evident intially
A number of the cabinet, dependant to the President of the homosexual wing too. No faulting you there for keeping abreast of all contributing factors. As far as where would PDJT wind up if forced to choose a prominent arm of religion? I think he would remain true to form and would shock them all again and brazenly hold the Bible up like the in the first inauguration on the Church property. If a tally is out there for a MAGA/Christian presence, I believe it would be a minumum of upper-70%. To codify the rest into the godless fold, his day-to-day demeanor is centered around greatness and common sense and little else if I assume correctly for the remaining direction of the thread? The liklihood of my post was expressed in my last comment in that, the current shape of all related dogmas and doctrine, heck, the scholars themselves turn into vocal pretzels over the likes of Rom 13. Like you, I myself will always link the lack, wherever it may surface to 'shame' of Christ.
A number of the cabinet, dependant to the President of the homosexual wing too. No faulting you there for keeping abreast of all contributing factors. As far as where would PDJT wind up if forced to choose a prominent arm of religion? I think he would remain true to form and would shock them all again and brazenly hold the Bible up like the in the first inauguration on the Church property. If a tally is out there for a MAGA/Christian presence, I believe it would be a minumum of upper-70%. To codify the rest into the godless fold, his day-to-day demeanor is centered around greatness and common sense and little else if I assume correctly for the remaining direction of the thread? The liklihood of my post was expressed in my last comment in that, the current shape of all related dogmas and doctrine, heck, the scholars themselves turn into vocal pretzels over the likes of Rom 13. Like you, I myself will always link the lack, wherever it may surface to 'shame' of Christ.
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I've not kept up to date on COS efforts, but I don't recall them being to tear up the USC & start over. COS has been about some new amendments, which in theory I thought at one time is a good & timely idea. After 200+ years I think we've learned a few things. Over the past 4 years I think we've learned a lot more. Within the next few years our knowledge will increase about the criminality within and the looting of the treasure.
One thing I think needs to be updated and firmly reinstated is what treason is and how and how quickly it is to be penalized. There are many things that need to be discussed and dealt with. I hope what we're going to see happen during this term is a lot of prosecutions from the top on down to federal employees who've reportedly been taking checks to supposedly stay home while actually taking other jobs.
Many of us have known gov't has been broken for quite a long time. Whatever it takes to fix it to whatever extent it can be made better, my ears are certainly open, and I'd consider going back to work for free for something that would be meaningful IMO.
One thing I think needs to be updated and firmly reinstated is what treason is and how and how quickly it is to be penalized. There are many things that need to be discussed and dealt with. I hope what we're going to see happen during this term is a lot of prosecutions from the top on down to federal employees who've reportedly been taking checks to supposedly stay home while actually taking other jobs.
Many of us have known gov't has been broken for quite a long time. Whatever it takes to fix it to whatever extent it can be made better, my ears are certainly open, and I'd consider going back to work for free for something that would be meaningful IMO.
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Romans 13 is quite the puzzle with theological scholars especially in eschatology. First Romans 13 tells us to honor them as ordained by God then Revelation 13 tells us that the beast is given it's power and authority from the Serpent,the Dragon,the Devil. It's amusing watching the different positions in eschatology address this because of the events of ad70. For instance if Rome is the beast why would Paul suggest it is given it's authority by God when Revelation tells us the Devil gave it it's authority? This should make no difference one would think, well unless for instance DJT is an Presbyterian or Methodist as he was raised then he might see the mark/beast as fulfilled in the ad70 events and not see things like AI or chipping people with RFID or a one world religious government as any type threat. Then again things of this nature might cause the many groups of futurist skin to crawl,lol.
It's in reference to a "runaway" as described here from Congress,gov at about page 18 but it mentions it elsewhere in the document also https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/R/R42589/15 It would be where they convened to address several issues but while there for instance the Democrats try to take away gun rights or other rights.
It's very clear when you recognize God's government or leadership structure.
Direction, commands, admonishments, power, authority are all seen by the disciples, Paul, John, Peter, etc. They give words of encouragement, correction, establish order, etc. These are governmental functions.
Our difficulty with Romans 13, in the US, is the tendency to equate terrestrial government with the heavenly type. Compounding the issue is the Roman lie of the divine right of kings which was perfected by the English throne.
Without bias, these things are simple to see and understand.
Direction, commands, admonishments, power, authority are all seen by the disciples, Paul, John, Peter, etc. They give words of encouragement, correction, establish order, etc. These are governmental functions.
Our difficulty with Romans 13, in the US, is the tendency to equate terrestrial government with the heavenly type. Compounding the issue is the Roman lie of the divine right of kings which was perfected by the English throne.
Without bias, these things are simple to see and understand.
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Romans, scholars see as written around ad57, when Paul wrote this do you think he thought the Mark of the Beast was future tense to that current time or that it existed at the time he wrote Romans 13? I'm curious if you think it's already been fulfilled or if it will be fulfilled after he wrote Romans 13.
Until there is evidence a person has to make assumptions, and I did not hear your reasoning for not being Red like most of your fellow Texans in that reply.
In the next post I thought I saw evidence that you might live in Austin and be duped by the fake news (which have been shills for Biden's Open Borders policy and Marxist lawfare), but I will be happy to hear that I don't have that pegged well because you hate Trump for a different reason than that he is now controlling the border and making lawfare illegal. (Re his foreign policy, read The Art of the Deal if his strategy is not obvious or common sensical :^)
In the next post I thought I saw evidence that you might live in Austin and be duped by the fake news (which have been shills for Biden's Open Borders policy and Marxist lawfare), but I will be happy to hear that I don't have that pegged well because you hate Trump for a different reason than that he is now controlling the border and making lawfare illegal. (Re his foreign policy, read The Art of the Deal if his strategy is not obvious or common sensical :^)
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If post 876 is the post your referring to I was joking about the Heavily Democratic state of Texas which is a solid Red state,lol<--- which is why I added the laughter in the statement. As for the hate Trump part I don't hate Trump at all and I'm not sure why you thought that. As for the stuff about the border and the supposed mass deportation well believe what you want but I live in Texas and have family from down by the border all the way north to Dallas and nobody I know has been pulled over or ask anything out of the ordinary. Now everyone was scared for a week or so but even our local news(Beaumont Texas) hasn't said anything about it for more than a week now.
I'm 65 and so I don't use the Facebook or X stuff like the kids do so I'm not sure what all they circulate around as news but here in Texas for the most part it's just as normal from the border all the way to the Louisiana border as always. The only thing Ive seen any different was what I said about the Navajo Indians getting detained because American Indians aren't citizens. Other than that though if you guys are being led to believe there's some mass roundup of brown people going on in Texas well everyone I know is wondering when it's suppose to begin because it's business as usual in Texas.
I am glad to hear that a fellow Texan does not hate Trump, who history might record as one of the best Presidents for freeing us from Globalism like Abrahan freed us from slavery and Washington freed us from a king.
I tend to agree with Bannon that some Americans had to experience the fruit of atheism so they would realize the blessing of Christianity, and hopefully this revival will continue, because I would be embarrassed as heck if we had lost the spiritual war during my lifetime! Not sure if you saw my summary of how the devil snuck up on us, so here it is again:
How We Got Here: A Summary
After declaring independence from England in 1776, winning it in the Revolutionary War and defending it in the War of 1812, slavery caused the Civil War in 1860 and then struggles for equality and the right for all citizens to vote threatened our unity. In the 1900s, dictators attacked freedom, provoking World War I in 1914, WWII in 1940 and the Korean War in 1950. Then the high cost and eventual loss of both the Vietnam War in 1973 and the War on Islamic Terrorists from 9-11-91 until 2019 divided and damaged our country. Today (2022) our nation that began as a republic established by the U.S. Constitution appears to be in danger of becoming an authoritarian socialist state.
While the history of wars against threats to our liberty is fairly well known, what is only recently becoming apparent is the threat our disunity will end in socialism, which now governs most of the world and almost every aspect of our society–education, entertainment, news, social media, banking and monopolistic businesses–corrupting politicians and elections. The main cause of this corruption is that following WWII America allowed subversive educators to infiltrate universities, including Herbert Marcuse and Marxist Saul Alinsky, whose book Rules for Radicals was dedicated to Satan and whose rules included deception and violence (the end justifies the means). The teachings of such radical professors has influenced many college students (including Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama) to favor socialist policies. (See The War for America’s Soul by Gorka, p. 59-65.) Many Americans are oblivious to the slow disintegration of the Constitutional consensus, because the owners of most news media were similarly educated and sympathetic.
A main financier of the socialist movement has been George Soros, who became a billionaire, established a network called the Open Society Foundation to promote a global government, and since 2003 has been financing numerous socialist groups in the U.S. (See The Shadow Party by Horowitz & Poe, p. 78-95 & 177-82.) Another leader of the globalist cabal or “new world order” is Klaus Schwab, founder of the World Economic Forum in 1971, which meets annually in Davos, Switzerland. He envisions a technological revolution that transforms the world (including America), converting humans who freely worship God into drones coerced by a fascist-communist state as in China. A prominent American participant in the WEF is Bill Gates. (See The Great Reset by A. Jones, p. 4-7, 28 & 95.)
The globalists began to conspire with communist China (the CCP) in 1978, when the Trilateral Commission befriended Chinese leaders and sought a New International Economic Order. Since then the CCP has pursued a clever strategy that has steadily weakened the U.S. as China gained power, currently on display as its military buildup, the COVID-19 pandemic, aggression against Taiwan and the “One Road One Belt” policy. It aims to surpass the U.S. and dominate Eurasia by the year 2049. (See Reset, p. 40-44 & War, p. 136.) And now, authoritative Biden administration dictates are weakening the U.S. and attempting to banish conservative Constitutionalist opposition. Much of the news media fail to report this truth, so that many people remain ignorant of the dissolution of the American dream of liberty for all (like frogs being boiled alive because the water temperature is raised slowly). Where will we go from here?
MAGA! PTL!!
I tend to agree with Bannon that some Americans had to experience the fruit of atheism so they would realize the blessing of Christianity, and hopefully this revival will continue, because I would be embarrassed as heck if we had lost the spiritual war during my lifetime! Not sure if you saw my summary of how the devil snuck up on us, so here it is again:
How We Got Here: A Summary
After declaring independence from England in 1776, winning it in the Revolutionary War and defending it in the War of 1812, slavery caused the Civil War in 1860 and then struggles for equality and the right for all citizens to vote threatened our unity. In the 1900s, dictators attacked freedom, provoking World War I in 1914, WWII in 1940 and the Korean War in 1950. Then the high cost and eventual loss of both the Vietnam War in 1973 and the War on Islamic Terrorists from 9-11-91 until 2019 divided and damaged our country. Today (2022) our nation that began as a republic established by the U.S. Constitution appears to be in danger of becoming an authoritarian socialist state.
While the history of wars against threats to our liberty is fairly well known, what is only recently becoming apparent is the threat our disunity will end in socialism, which now governs most of the world and almost every aspect of our society–education, entertainment, news, social media, banking and monopolistic businesses–corrupting politicians and elections. The main cause of this corruption is that following WWII America allowed subversive educators to infiltrate universities, including Herbert Marcuse and Marxist Saul Alinsky, whose book Rules for Radicals was dedicated to Satan and whose rules included deception and violence (the end justifies the means). The teachings of such radical professors has influenced many college students (including Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama) to favor socialist policies. (See The War for America’s Soul by Gorka, p. 59-65.) Many Americans are oblivious to the slow disintegration of the Constitutional consensus, because the owners of most news media were similarly educated and sympathetic.
A main financier of the socialist movement has been George Soros, who became a billionaire, established a network called the Open Society Foundation to promote a global government, and since 2003 has been financing numerous socialist groups in the U.S. (See The Shadow Party by Horowitz & Poe, p. 78-95 & 177-82.) Another leader of the globalist cabal or “new world order” is Klaus Schwab, founder of the World Economic Forum in 1971, which meets annually in Davos, Switzerland. He envisions a technological revolution that transforms the world (including America), converting humans who freely worship God into drones coerced by a fascist-communist state as in China. A prominent American participant in the WEF is Bill Gates. (See The Great Reset by A. Jones, p. 4-7, 28 & 95.)
The globalists began to conspire with communist China (the CCP) in 1978, when the Trilateral Commission befriended Chinese leaders and sought a New International Economic Order. Since then the CCP has pursued a clever strategy that has steadily weakened the U.S. as China gained power, currently on display as its military buildup, the COVID-19 pandemic, aggression against Taiwan and the “One Road One Belt” policy. It aims to surpass the U.S. and dominate Eurasia by the year 2049. (See Reset, p. 40-44 & War, p. 136.) And now, authoritative Biden administration dictates are weakening the U.S. and attempting to banish conservative Constitutionalist opposition. Much of the news media fail to report this truth, so that many people remain ignorant of the dissolution of the American dream of liberty for all (like frogs being boiled alive because the water temperature is raised slowly). Where will we go from here?
MAGA! PTL!!
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I am glad to hear that a fellow Texan does not hate Trump, who history might record as one of the best Presidents for freeing us from Globalism like Abrahan freed us from slavery and Washington freed us from a king.
I tend to agree with Bannon that some Americans had to experience the fruit of atheism so they would realize the blessing of Christianity, and hopefully this revival will continue, because I would be embarrassed as heck if we had lost the spiritual war during my lifetime! Not sure if you saw my summary of how the devil snuck up on us, so here it is again:
How We Got Here: A Summary
After declaring independence from England in 1776, winning it in the Revolutionary War and defending it in the War of 1812, slavery caused the Civil War in 1860 and then struggles for equality and the right for all citizens to vote threatened our unity. In the 1900s, dictators attacked freedom, provoking World War I in 1914, WWII in 1940 and the Korean War in 1950. Then the high cost and eventual loss of both the Vietnam War in 1973 and the War on Islamic Terrorists from 9-11-91 until 2019 divided and damaged our country. Today (2022) our nation that began as a republic established by the U.S. Constitution appears to be in danger of becoming an authoritarian socialist state.
While the history of wars against threats to our liberty is fairly well known, what is only recently becoming apparent is the threat our disunity will end in socialism, which now governs most of the world and almost every aspect of our society–education, entertainment, news, social media, banking and monopolistic businesses–corrupting politicians and elections. The main cause of this corruption is that following WWII America allowed subversive educators to infiltrate universities, including Herbert Marcuse and Marxist Saul Alinsky, whose book Rules for Radicals was dedicated to Satan and whose rules included deception and violence (the end justifies the means). The teachings of such radical professors has influenced many college students (including Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama) to favor socialist policies. (See The War for America’s Soul by Gorka, p. 59-65.) Many Americans are oblivious to the slow disintegration of the Constitutional consensus, because the owners of most news media were similarly educated and sympathetic.
A main financier of the socialist movement has been George Soros, who became a billionaire, established a network called the Open Society Foundation to promote a global government, and since 2003 has been financing numerous socialist groups in the U.S. (See The Shadow Party by Horowitz & Poe, p. 78-95 & 177-82.) Another leader of the globalist cabal or “new world order” is Klaus Schwab, founder of the World Economic Forum in 1971, which meets annually in Davos, Switzerland. He envisions a technological revolution that transforms the world (including America), converting humans who freely worship God into drones coerced by a fascist-communist state as in China. A prominent American participant in the WEF is Bill Gates. (See The Great Reset by A. Jones, p. 4-7, 28 & 95.)
The globalists began to conspire with communist China (the CCP) in 1978, when the Trilateral Commission befriended Chinese leaders and sought a New International Economic Order. Since then the CCP has pursued a clever strategy that has steadily weakened the U.S. as China gained power, currently on display as its military buildup, the COVID-19 pandemic, aggression against Taiwan and the “One Road One Belt” policy. It aims to surpass the U.S. and dominate Eurasia by the year 2049. (See Reset, p. 40-44 & War, p. 136.) And now, authoritative Biden administration dictates are weakening the U.S. and attempting to banish conservative Constitutionalist opposition. Much of the news media fail to report this truth, so that many people remain ignorant of the dissolution of the American dream of liberty for all (like frogs being boiled alive because the water temperature is raised slowly). Where will we go from here?
MAGA! PTL!!
I tend to agree with Bannon that some Americans had to experience the fruit of atheism so they would realize the blessing of Christianity, and hopefully this revival will continue, because I would be embarrassed as heck if we had lost the spiritual war during my lifetime! Not sure if you saw my summary of how the devil snuck up on us, so here it is again:
How We Got Here: A Summary
After declaring independence from England in 1776, winning it in the Revolutionary War and defending it in the War of 1812, slavery caused the Civil War in 1860 and then struggles for equality and the right for all citizens to vote threatened our unity. In the 1900s, dictators attacked freedom, provoking World War I in 1914, WWII in 1940 and the Korean War in 1950. Then the high cost and eventual loss of both the Vietnam War in 1973 and the War on Islamic Terrorists from 9-11-91 until 2019 divided and damaged our country. Today (2022) our nation that began as a republic established by the U.S. Constitution appears to be in danger of becoming an authoritarian socialist state.
While the history of wars against threats to our liberty is fairly well known, what is only recently becoming apparent is the threat our disunity will end in socialism, which now governs most of the world and almost every aspect of our society–education, entertainment, news, social media, banking and monopolistic businesses–corrupting politicians and elections. The main cause of this corruption is that following WWII America allowed subversive educators to infiltrate universities, including Herbert Marcuse and Marxist Saul Alinsky, whose book Rules for Radicals was dedicated to Satan and whose rules included deception and violence (the end justifies the means). The teachings of such radical professors has influenced many college students (including Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama) to favor socialist policies. (See The War for America’s Soul by Gorka, p. 59-65.) Many Americans are oblivious to the slow disintegration of the Constitutional consensus, because the owners of most news media were similarly educated and sympathetic.
A main financier of the socialist movement has been George Soros, who became a billionaire, established a network called the Open Society Foundation to promote a global government, and since 2003 has been financing numerous socialist groups in the U.S. (See The Shadow Party by Horowitz & Poe, p. 78-95 & 177-82.) Another leader of the globalist cabal or “new world order” is Klaus Schwab, founder of the World Economic Forum in 1971, which meets annually in Davos, Switzerland. He envisions a technological revolution that transforms the world (including America), converting humans who freely worship God into drones coerced by a fascist-communist state as in China. A prominent American participant in the WEF is Bill Gates. (See The Great Reset by A. Jones, p. 4-7, 28 & 95.)
The globalists began to conspire with communist China (the CCP) in 1978, when the Trilateral Commission befriended Chinese leaders and sought a New International Economic Order. Since then the CCP has pursued a clever strategy that has steadily weakened the U.S. as China gained power, currently on display as its military buildup, the COVID-19 pandemic, aggression against Taiwan and the “One Road One Belt” policy. It aims to surpass the U.S. and dominate Eurasia by the year 2049. (See Reset, p. 40-44 & War, p. 136.) And now, authoritative Biden administration dictates are weakening the U.S. and attempting to banish conservative Constitutionalist opposition. Much of the news media fail to report this truth, so that many people remain ignorant of the dissolution of the American dream of liberty for all (like frogs being boiled alive because the water temperature is raised slowly). Where will we go from here?
MAGA! PTL!!
Hmm well I'm not sure how you got all this from me not hating Trump but maybe I should expand on that a little more. To me all the left, right Democrat Republican mess is nothing more than a movie they are showing us and the shows called "live from Washington it's Saturday night". Now when I was younger I fell for it all but when I was about thirty or so I began to really watch them and realized they had already decided what they were going to do and were playing out the debate to break it to us. In fact I don't believe Trump even believes climate change is a hoax.
Instead he says it is because he knows you cant stop it and if they tell the masses then they wont be able to get their own families up north to Canada and Greenland before it gets so bad nothing can live down south. They know they cant shut up the scientist so they created the debate/hoax between the Democrats and Republicans and their supporters to so they would just keep on working while they prepare for whats coming.
First it was the movie about the southern border and migrants until everyone agreed we needed troops there to keep them out.
Then now their showing us the movie about Canada becoming the 51st state and not ruling out troops in Greenland because at some point in time they are going to take it from them. If people actually listened to the words Trump said and made good grades in history class some of it would make a lot more sense. Ive already given examples of phrases he's used to see if anyone would catch it, one was "manifest destiny" which in American history was when Polk(POTUS) expanded the US by annexing Texas and California,Oregon ect. another term is the "Monroe doctrine" which is when Monroe(POTUS) warned Europe of meddling in the western hemispheres affairs. Which is why he is breaking all ties between WHO,Paris, threatening leaving NATO,the EU ect.