Continuationism vs cessastionism?

[DaivdM]

I agree with this stragelove is wierd and hard of hearing. But i have a question for you. What was it you though i believe that made you feel sorry for me?[/QUO4runne

4runner, im using my phone right now, can you send me the link of the post where I said I felt sorry for u.. Thank you

 

[4runner]

I feel Sorry for you 4runner and everyone else who believe what you believe....

Here ya go

 

[DaivdM]

Here ya go

i mean the thread that I said that

 

[4runner]

i mean the thread that I said that

This is the thread that you said that. Page 4 post #74. Just hit the arrow in the quote

Originally Posted by DaivdM

I feel Sorry for you 4runner and everyone else who believe what you believe....

 

[DaivdM]

This is the thread that you said that. Page 4 post #74. Just hit the arrow in the quote

ohh, i see, I post in the wrong person.. Lol... Sorry for that

 

[Fencepost]

I agree with this stragelove is wierd and hard of hearing. But i have a question for you. What was it you though i believe that made you feel sorry for me?

Why you debate: The real question is what will you do about this:
+https://www.healthfreedomusa.org/action/step3/petition-letter.shtml+

Especially if you call yourself a AMERICAN!

 

[Strangelove]

Considering it happened in a small church in Romania where they they were lucky to have running water...

Anyways, when's the last time you took your idea of the gospel to the remote areas of the world where it could cost you your life, away from all the comforts of home and western society? Someplace where you have no other choice but to rely on God to provide for your every need? Maybe you'll believe in God for the miraculous when you are in a position to need it, rather than playing arm chair preacher in your comfy little living quaters.

Just so you know, I already have. (not trying boast)

I've been living in a remote region of the world for the last 9 years actually.

So not one single converted jew will attest to this wonderous miracle?

 

[Strangelove]

I see you live in South Africa. Why don't you join a mission and head on up the continent for a couple of years like Livingstone? There's plenty of opportunity not far from your neck of the woods.

You want to see God move on someone's behalf? Who's behalf is better for learning than your own?

Do you have the faith to risk your life?

I have.

You have no idea what I do.

your just trying to divert attention from your non-miracles that you have no evidence for.

 

[Strangelove]

How did they show it... So you are saying the apostle did the miracles that they did, when ever they want?

Did the apostle had the power?

Yes they had the power and they showed it when their words needed the backing of Gods power. To convince the masses who didnt have God breathed scripture.

And my point about the question that I ask was, even if I show you proof, a video, a website, a writting... U still won't beleive me.... Just like people don't believe in God... unless they see him, they will believe... Just like you are doing right now, unless you see it with your own eyes, you will not beleive it..... But I tell you.... U r just like Thomas....

Change your ways my brother... Christ is coming soon

Try me. You havnt even attempted to show us any supernatural gifts in action.

 

[Strangelove]

Amen, brother, That guy stangelove is a weird guy... He only want prove of everything, but if you give it to him, he won't beleive

It probably feels weird to you to meet a real Christian for a change.

 

[Consumed]

Doc, I can give you testimony as could countless others im sure of Gods awesome power manifest by the holy spirit but feel you wouldn't believe it possible and say it's delusional/demonic/ceased etc

Love you bro, that I truly do, just don't understand your position at times on what God can and still does outside of the obvious deceptive church teachings.

I'll give you one, I prayed for a girl who had epilepsy that I didnt know had it, just said "come out foul thing" drops to the ground screaming said "out in Jesus name by His blood" gone. Few years later I get told she had epilepsy bad and hasn't had a fit since, no meds no nothing.

I can give you others not for my glory but His alone, and no it doesn't hasn't always happened, I don't pray for people expecting it to happen everytime, I just believe all things are possible

How can I prove it??

My yes be yes my no be no
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[Abiding]

Ive never met a cessastionist that didnt believe in the Power of God
Or that didnt depend on the Holyspirit. Or that didnt believe in deliverance
or any demonstration of His power and Glory.

 

[Strangelove]

Doc, I can give you testimony as could countless others im sure of Gods awesome power manifest by the holy spirit but feel you wouldn't believe it possible and say it's delusional/demonic/ceased etc

Love you bro, that I truly do, just don't understand your position at times on what God can and still does outside of the obvious deceptive church teachings.

I'll give you one, I prayed for a girl who had epilepsy that I didnt know had it, just said "come out foul thing" drops to the ground screaming said "out in Jesus name by His blood" gone. Few years later I get told she had epilepsy bad and hasn't had a fit since, no meds no nothing.

I can give you others not for my glory but His alone, and no it doesn't hasn't always happened, I don't pray for people expecting it to happen everytime, I just believe all things are possible

How can I prove it??

My yes be yes my no be no


Ok fine Alex but you have to subscribe to some form of cessationism as Apostolic healing involved entire towns of sick people getting healed instantly. Like, right there on the spot, and this is healing of actual visible maladies.

We dont see that today, no reports at all.

Therefore Apostolic miraculous healing has ceased.

God still listens to our petitions in prayer and may or may not miraculously heal people I'm sure.

Just saying apostolic healing has ceased thas'all.

 

[1still_waters]

Ive never met a cessastionist that didnt believe in the Power of God
Or that didnt depend on the Holyspirit. Or that didnt believe in deliverance
or any demonstration of His power and Glory.

Most people I know who carry on about the need for excessive healings and tongues and the like, most tend to be practical cessationists once you back them in to a nice tidy theological corner, through a process of questioning.

They begin by arguing that all believers need to be out there raising the dead and healing and on and on. But after you press them on it, they divert to the it's God's timing argument or some other delay technique.

Try asking these people a simple question....

"If you believe ALL believers should be out doing this stuff, then why aren't you in a hospital or nursing home now praying for them?"


They will try and find every tactic in the book to not answer. But when push comes to shove, they'll practically admit that yeah.......It's not going to happen as much or on the level they claim.

 

[Strangelove]

Most people I know who carry on about the need for excessive healings and tongues and the like, most tend to be practical cessationists once you back them in to a nice tidy theological corner, through a process of questioning.

They begin by arguing that all believers need to be out there raising the dead and healing and on and on. But after you press them on it, they divert to the it's God's timing argument or some other delay technique.

Try asking these people a simple question....

"If you believe ALL believers should be out doing this stuff, then why aren't you in a hospital or nursing home now praying for them?"


They will try and find every tactic in the book to not answer. But when push comes to shove, they'll practically admit that yeah.......It's not going to happen as much or on the level they claim.

Ya basically Stilly I agree.

Thats all I've been trying to point out is that even charismatics/pentacostalists have to be cessasionists on some level or another.

Gods power is still active, however...the church doesnt have the apostolic gifts anymore. Thats obvious isn't it?

And then the argument comes 'well, why do you need to see proof'

Well, why did the apostles carry out these VISIBLE, RECORDED miracles in front of people in the 1st century if not to SHOW and PROVE the power of God to them?

I see what power God can bestow on His Church coz I have God breathed scripture that proves it. I dont doubt God can do this.

It's just not happening today like it used to.

 

[1still_waters]

Ya basically Stilly I agree.

Thats all I've been trying to point out is that even charismatics/pentacostalists have to be cessasionists on some level or another.

Gods power is still active, however...the church doesnt have the apostolic gifts anymore. Thats obvious isn't it?

And then the argument comes 'well, why do you need to see proof'

Well, why did the apostles carry out these VISIBLE, RECORDED miracles in front of people in the 1st century if not to SHOW and PROVE the power of God to them?

I see what power God can bestow on His Church coz I have God breathed scripture that proves it. I dont doubt God can do this.

It's just not happening today like it used to.

Yeah some of them go on and on and on and almost put a guilt trip on fellow Christians for not healing or doing miracles on the level we see in the Bible. They go on rants about us not using our authority and dominion.

After a while I get sick of it and simply ask..

Well why aren't you in a hospital right now doing that stuff?

That question always makes them so uncomfortable because it makes them have to put some hustle to their muscle.

At least it tends to stop their guilt causing rants and it also rubs their nose in their own smelly theology, so they can wake up.

 

[Strangelove]

Yeah some of them go on and on and on and almost put a guilt trip on fellow Christians for not healing or doing miracles on the level we see in the Bible. They go on rants about us not using our authority and dominion.

After a while I get sick of it and simply ask..

Well why aren't you in a hospital right now doing that stuff?

That question always makes them so uncomfortable because it makes them have to put some hustle to their muscle.

At least it tends to stop their guilt causing rants and it also rubs their nose in their own smelly theology, so they can wake up.

Maybe they don't need to go and heal kids with cancer in the hospitals because the Gospel doesnt need that kind of miraculous backup cuz we have God breathed completed canon that proves Gods power anyway?

Oh wait.....hang on, we're going round in circles...lolz. No point in having the apostolic gifts I guess. Doh!

EDIT: The all-blacks were AWESOME yesterday. 24 years of hurt, gonna be the year for them?

 

[Consumed]

Ok fine Alex but you have to subscribe to some form of cessationism as Apostolic healing involved entire towns of sick people getting healed instantly. Like, right there on the spot, and this is healing of actual visible maladies.

We dont see that today, no reports at all.

Therefore Apostolic miraculous healing has ceased.

God still listens to our petitions in prayer and may or may not miraculously heal people I'm sure.

Just saying apostolic healing has ceased thas'all.

I do subscribe

Most people I know who carry on about the need for excessive healings and tongues and the like, most tend to be practical cessationists once you back them in to a nice tidy theological corner, through a process of questioning.

They begin by arguing that all believers need to be out there raising the dead and healing and on and on. But after you press them on it, they divert to the it's God's timing argument or some other delay technique.

Try asking these people a simple question....

"If you believe ALL believers should be out doing this stuff, then why aren't you in a hospital or nursing home now praying for them?"


They will try and find every tactic in the book to not answer. But when push comes to shove, they'll practically admit that yeah.......It's not going to happen as much or on the level they claim.

It's not our will be done but His lolz

Yeah some of them go on and on and on and almost put a guilt trip on fellow Christians for not healing or doing miracles on the level we see in the Bible. They go on rants about us not using our authority and dominion.

After a while I get sick of it and simply ask..

Well why aren't you in a hospital right now doing that stuff?

That question always makes them so uncomfortable because it makes them have to put some hustle to their muscle.

At least it tends to stop their guilt causing rants and it also rubs their nose in their own smelly theology, so they can wake up.

You sound like you want people to go test God if He is sovereign or man is in deciding who does what when.
Sorry stilly, you won't back me into a corner as I'm not that foolish to believe that God works to my drumbeat lolz

Jesus said - believe, that's all

 

[4runner]

Why you debate: The real question is what will you do about this:
+https://www.healthfreedomusa.org/action/step3/petition-letter.shtml+

Especially if you call yourself a AMERICAN!

What is the world does being American have to do with anything????????

 

[DaivdM]

Pp

Most people I know who carry on about the need for excessive healings and tongues and the like, most tend to be practicalcessationists once you back them in to a nice tidy theological corner, through a process of questioning.

They begin by arguing that all believers need to be out there raising the dead and healing and on and on. But after you press them on it, they divert to the it's God's timing argument or some other delay technique.

Try asking these people a simple question....

"If you believe ALL believers should be out doing this stuff, then why aren't you in a hospital or nursing home now praying for them?"


They will try and find every tactic in the book to not answer. But when push comes to shove, they'll practically admit that yeah.......It's not going to happen as much or on the level they claim.

I understansd what u r trying to say.. There are people who think they can just heal people when ever they want .. But it is not like that.. Is when the Holy Spirt tell you to...

Once the apostle paul was trying to heal some person(i dont remember the story good, and I am not in my house to look for it) but he didnt, until the holy spirit told paul that the person had enought faith to be heal...
So this teaches us that both have to have faith...
And healin is a gift from the holy spirit, not everyone has that..