Becomes Trump a dictator?

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
Cameron143

Cameron143

Well-known member
#141
Mar 1, 2022
21,017
7,200
113
62
#141
Tamarisk said:
This is not about the department of education. This administration can have the belief that the department of education should be shut down and do everything in their power to accomplish their goal.

No one is arguing this point. But when you shut down the department of education. Without congressional approval as they have done, then it becomes a problem. When elected representatives of a government are turned away by government agencies they should have full access to that’s called a constitutional emergency.

For all people that swore an oath to protect the constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic. This is our moment.


If there was congressional approval for their actions, we wouldn’t be having this issue. Yes presidents have issued executive orders in the past that have been ruled on constitutional, but they have never issued orders to shut down agencies and laid off workers without congressional approval.

This has never been done before in the USand it’s what happened and hungry Can you hear it now?
Click to expand...
You mean like when certain elected officials were not allowed on the J6 committee investigation?
 
Cameron143

Cameron143

Well-known member
#144
Mar 1, 2022
21,017
7,200
113
62
#144
Tamarisk said:
Did they shut down government agencies without congressional approval yes or no?
Click to expand...
So...your hypocrisy has limits. Good to know.

Trump was elected to do exactly what he is doing. This is what draining the swamp looks like. If it ends up being unlawful, it will be stopped. Until then...WINNING.
 
ZNP

ZNP

Well-known member
#146
Sep 14, 2020
38,729
7,170
113
#146
Tamarisk said:
This is not about the department of education. This administration can have the belief that the department of education should be shut down and do everything in their power to accomplish their goal.

No one is arguing this point. But when you shut down the department of education. Without congressional approval as they have done, then it becomes a problem. When elected representatives of a government are turned away by government agencies they should have full access to that’s called a constitutional emergency.

For all people that swore an oath to protect the constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic. This is our moment.


If there was congressional approval for their actions, we wouldn’t be having this issue. Yes presidents have issued executive orders in the past that have been ruled on constitutional, but they have never issued orders to shut down agencies and laid off workers without congressional approval.

This has never been done before in the USand it’s what happened and hungry Can you hear it now?
Click to expand...
If it is a problem take it up with the Supreme court. The allegation was that Trump was breaking the separation of powers. That would be true if he overrides a decision by the Supreme court. But simply making an EO to shut down an agency in the Executive branch is not a violation of the US constitution nor is it breaking the separation of powers.
 
T

Tamarisk

Active member
#147
Jan 2, 2023
358
59
28
#147
ZNP said:
If it is a problem take it up with the Supreme court. The allegation was that Trump was breaking the separation of powers. That would be true if he overrides a decision by the Supreme court. But simply making an EO to shut down an agency in the Executive branch is not a violation of the US constitution nor is it breaking the separation of powers.
Click to expand...
The executive branch does not have the power to shut down agencies or lay off workers without congressional approval. If the court step in and stop them, it’s proof that they violated the separation of powers by making a decision. They don’t have the right to make.


If the courts rule that they have the power to bypass Congress, then then the experiment of the United States has ended, and we are no longer what our four fathers envisioned.
 
Cameron143

Cameron143

Well-known member
#148
Mar 1, 2022
21,017
7,200
113
62
#148
ZNP said:
If it is a problem take it up with the Supreme court. The allegation was that Trump was breaking the separation of powers. That would be true if he overrides a decision by the Supreme court. But simply making an EO to shut down an agency in the Executive branch is not a violation of the US constitution nor is it breaking the separation of powers.
Click to expand...
Kind of like Biden with student loans?
 
ZNP

ZNP

Well-known member
#149
Sep 14, 2020
38,729
7,170
113
#149
Tamarisk said:
The executive branch does not have the power to shut down agencies or lay off workers without congressional approval. If the court step in and stop them, it’s proof that they violated the separation of powers by making a decision. They don’t have the right to make.
Click to expand...
Really? That is hysterical. So everyone in the federal government must bow the knee to Congress? Your grasp of the constitution is flimsy. So much for three equal branches.
 
Cameron143

Cameron143

Well-known member
#150
Mar 1, 2022
21,017
7,200
113
62
#150
What hypocrisy. None of the people complaining about Trump and his administration said peep when the last administration did the same things.
 
T

Tamarisk

Active member
#151
Jan 2, 2023
358
59
28
#151
ZNP said:
Really? That is hysterical. So everyone in the federal government must bow the knee to Congress? Your grasp of the constitution is flimsy.
Click to expand...

We have separation of powers for a reason this is not hysterical. The executive branch is currently making decisions. They do not have the ability to make. These decisions take an act of Congress to make. Whether you like it or not.


You cannot lay off federal workers and you cannot shut down agencies without congressional approval. The reason for this is because we broke away from a king. We no longer wanted to be ruled by oligarchs..
 
T

Tamarisk

Active member
#152
Jan 2, 2023
358
59
28
#152
Cameron143 said:
What hypocrisy. None of the people complaining about Trump and his administration said peep when the last administration did the same things.
Click to expand...
Did the last administration try to pause all loans and grants? Did the last administration try to abolish whole agencies without congressional approval?
Did they lay off federal employees without the authority to do so?
 
Eli1

Eli1

Well-known member
#153
Apr 5, 2022
5,728
2,571
113
47
#153
Cameron143 said:
What hypocrisy. None of the people complaining about Trump and his administration said peep when the last administration did the same things.
Click to expand...
You're taking these people waaaay too seriously.
These folks are the entertainment factor in season 13.
For two main reasons. First they can't even troll properly which is funny onto itself and secondly if they're not trolling and serious about what they believe, it's even more entertaining because they learned nothing from their defeat.
 
ResidentAlien

ResidentAlien

Well-known member
#154
Apr 21, 2021
8,698
3,796
113
#154
I hope the Donald enjoys himself at the super bowl tomorrow while large parts of the population are worrying if they'll be able to get healthcare or if their retirement checks will show up. Real Christian of ya Don.
 
Cameron143

Cameron143

Well-known member
#155
Mar 1, 2022
21,017
7,200
113
62
#155
Tamarisk said:
We have separation of powers for a reason this is not hysterical. The executive branch is currently making decisions. They do not have the ability to make. These decisions take an act of Congress to make. Whether you like it or not.


You cannot lay off federal workers and you cannot shut down agencies without congressional approval. The reason for this is because we broke away from a king. We no longer wanted to be ruled by oligarchs..
Click to expand...
You were being ruled by oligarchs for the past 4 years.
 
PennEd

PennEd

Senior Member
#156
Apr 22, 2013
13,775
9,241
113
#156
Tamarisk said:
This is not about the department of education. This administration can have the belief that the department of education should be shut down and do everything in their power to accomplish their goal.

No one is arguing this point. But when you shut down the department of education. Without congressional approval as they have done, then it becomes a problem. When elected representatives of a government are turned away by government agencies they should have full access to that’s called a constitutional emergency.

For all people that swore an oath to protect the constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic. This is our moment.


If there was congressional approval for their actions, we wouldn’t be having this issue. Yes presidents have issued executive orders in the past that have been ruled on constitutional, but they have never issued orders to shut down agencies and laid off workers without congressional approval.

This has never been done before in the USand it’s what happened and hungry Can you hear it now?
Click to expand...
Most of the departments in question are cabinet level departments. Originated by Presidents with EOs.
They did not need Congressional approval for formation, and for the most part they don’t need Congressional approval for dismantling.

Please educate yourself, because the department of education sure hasn’t.
 
Cameron143

Cameron143

Well-known member
#157
Mar 1, 2022
21,017
7,200
113
62
#157
ResidentAlien said:
I hope the Donald enjoys himself at the super bowl tomorrow while large parts of the population are worrying if they'll be able to get healthcare or if their retirement checks will show up. Real Christian of ya Don.
Click to expand...
Wait until you see all the patriotism on display and the applause he gets.
 
HeIsHere

HeIsHere

Well-known member
#158
May 21, 2022
7,200
2,868
113
#158
Leviathan

The war of all against all.
 
T

Tamarisk

Active member
#159
Jan 2, 2023
358
59
28
#159
PennEd said:
Most of the departments in question are cabinet level departments. Originated by Presidents with EOs.
They did not need Congressional approval for formation, and for the most part they don’t need Congressional approval for dismantling.

Please educate yourself, because the department of education sure hasn’t.
Click to expand...
The executive branch has the power to shrink the footprint of the department of education. However, they need congressional approval to roll it into other agencies or end it all together.


The Department of education does not have the scope and reach that you think it does.

The main thing this is going to do is impact students with disabilities. Students with disabilities will go several years without getting the special education they need until the states are able to pick up the slack.
 
Cameron143

Cameron143

Well-known member
#160
Mar 1, 2022
21,017
7,200
113
62
#160
Tamarisk said:
Did the last administration try to pause all loans and grants? Did the last administration try to abolish whole agencies without congressional approval?
Did they lay off federal employees without the authority to do so?
Click to expand...
Your side lost. And you have no idea how fortunate that is for America. And you have no idea the corruption that exists within the US government. Complain all you like. Informed patriotic Americans have been awaiting this moment in history, and will enjoy it. You hypocrites will be allowed to voice your concerns unbraided while the Trump administration reveals all the corruption. Better get the jumbo box of Kleenex.

#WINNING
 
You must log in or register to reply here.