God gave the law about Circumcision.

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Imputed cleanness is obtained via S.I., just to clarify.

FWIW, if your intent is to communicate with people here , take my advice and lose the abbreviations and communicate like a normal human being. It's inconsiderate IMO to expect readers to know a language that is peculiar to your mind. I rarely read your posts because of them. So whatever you meant by the above quote, it was just wasted effort typing it out, unless the intent was merely to satisfy yourself.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

As usual no reply to the actual discussion / simple Q - Based on REV is fornication or eating things sacrificed unto idols allowed or not ?

Do you drink Jesus' blood and eat his flesh?

 

[Dino246]

No reply to the simple Q - Based on REV is fornication or eating things sacrificed unto idols allowed or not ?

Start your own thread and stop hijacking this one with inane interrogation.

 

[hornetguy]

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By using own intellect to understand Galatians 5:1-6 it seems like our Lord Jesus who taught Paul (Galatians 1:11-12) contradicted God The Father Commandment in Gen 17:10-12.

It is just the same as if we will use our own intellect again to understand Matthew 13:34. Jesus gave another law
GALATIANS 13:34
34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.

Also, there are verses in the book of Matthews that our Lord Jesus changed the Law.
MATTHEW 5:21-22
21 Ye have heard that it was said of them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

MATTHEW 5:27-28
27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

MATTHEW 5:38-39
38 Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:
39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.

MATTHEW 5:43-44
43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

Yes, it is very clear in our own understanding that our Lord Jesus when he arrived he gave a new law to the Jews and he changed the Law in Old Testament.

But, if we ask our Lord Jesus if he really did that.
His answer is he did not give a new law and he did not changed the law.
Because according to him the law given by God The Father to the Prophets in the Old Testament were fulfilled by our Lord.
MATTHEW 5:17
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil

You need to read with more understanding....
Romans 7 .....
4 So, my dear brothers and sisters, this is the point: You died to the power of the law when you died with Christ. And now you are united with the one who was raised from the dead. As a result, we can produce a harvest of good deeds for God. 5 When we were controlled by our old nature,[b] sinful desires were at work within us, and the law aroused these evil desires that produced a harvest of sinful deeds, resulting in death. 6 But now we have been released from the law, for we died to it and are no longer captive to its power. Now we can serve God, not in the old way of obeying the letter of the law, but in the new way of living in the Spirit.

 

[Dino246]

... the point of the discussion is fornication or eating things sacrificed unto idols allowed or not!

Actually, it isn't. Read the thread title.

 

[Dino246]

Imputed cleanness is obtained via S.I., just to clarify.

FWIW, if your intent is to communicate with people here , take my advice and lose the abbreviations and communicate like a normal human being.

@GWH, I have to agree with the other post here. Your abbreviations are unnecessary and they don't facilitate clear communication.

 

[Magenta]

@GWH, I have to agree with the other post here. Your abbreviations are unnecessary and they don't facilitate clear communication.

He told me months ago he would stop doing that, but it was just another of his falsehoods.

 

[ocean]

Yeap ignore the point of the discussion is fornication or eating things sacrificed unto idols allowed or not!

I quote the bible not just my own opinions with no evidence.

Obviously, belief in Jesus and salvation in following him and his teachings - How do you understand Luke 10 "eternal life" - "do this and you will live"?

Luke 10
25 And behold, a certain lawyer stood up and tested Him, saying, “Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?”
26 He said to him, “What is written in the law? What is your reading of it?”
27 And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.
28 And He said to him, “You have answered rightly; do this and you will live.”

I don't think we live on the same planet.

 

[Inquisitor]

No reply to the simple Q - Based on REV is fornication or eating things sacrificed unto idols allowed or not ?

Yes, we can sit in an idol's temple and eat food sacrificed to idols.

1 Corinthians 8:9-10
But take care that this liberty of yours does not somehow become a stumbling block to the weak. For if
someone sees you, who have knowledge, dining in an idol’s temple.

Though we need to be careful of the weaker brethren that may stumble.

1 Corinthians 8:13
Therefore, if food causes my brother to stumble, I will never eat meat again, so that I will not cause
my brother to stumble.

 

[GWH]

FWIW, if your intent is to communicate with people here , take my advice and lose the abbreviations and communicate like a normal human being. It's inconsiderate IMO to expect readers to know a language that is peculiar to your mind. I rarely read your posts because of them. So whatever you meant by the above quote, it was just wasted effort typing it out, unless the intent was merely to satisfy yourself.

Sorry for the typo. I meant that S.C. referred to the sentence preceding it by ChristRoseFromTheDead: "Cleanness is the key to understanding spiritual circumcision"

 

[Godsgood]

I don’t obey this law, because it was not written to me. I am not a physical descendant of Abraham.

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Nobody in this world is a Physical Descendant of Abraham.
Because God is speaking Spiritual Descendant of Abraham.
GENESIS 17:7
7 And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.

 

[Godsgood]

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Let us remember what The Lord Jesus Taught to Paul.
ROMANS 7:14
14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

When Our Lord Jesus Christ arrived, the Jews are obeying The Law of God in Letter or in Literal meaning.

For Example: Thou Shalt Not Commit Adultery.
That is why the Jews brought Mary Magdalene to Jesus to punish her.
JOHN 8:3-5
3 The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought in a woman caught in adultery. They made her stand before the group 4 and said to Jesus, “Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery. 5 In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. Now what do you say?”

Despite The Jews are not committing literal adultery but to Jesus they are Adulterer because they don't believe in Romans 7:14.
MATTHEW 16:4
4 A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given unto it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas. And he left them, and departed.

Another Law of God is: Thou Shalt Not Steal.
The Jews were obeying this Law in Letter or Literal meaning, that is why They Crucified the two Thieves with Jesus as a punishment on what they did.
But Jesus were still accusing The Jews as Thieves and Robbers because they don't believe in Romans 7:14.
JOHN 10:1
10 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.
JOHN 10:9
9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.

Therefore in Genesis 17:10-13 God The Father is referring to SPIRITUAL CIRCUMCISION and not to Literal Circumcision.
Whoever Circumcised in Letter or in Literal meaning even on the 8th day from he was born. But don't believe in Romans 7:14 is a Uncircumcised.

This verse is for Spiritual Circumcision.
GENESIS 17:10-13
10 This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised.
11 And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you.
12 And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed.

Let us wait for Our Lord Jesus to Reveal the meaning of Spiritual Circumcision in Geneses17:10-13 as God The Father Commanded before we tackle Galatians 5:2.

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Let us take The Spiritual Circumcision as Commanded by God:
GENESIS 17:10-13
10 This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised.
11 And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you.
12 And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed.
13 He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised: and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant.

According to God The Father the Circumcision is for EVERY MAN CHILD.
We can't take this in plain text or in Letter or literally because it should be done to Every Man Child means the Child is either Boy or Girl.

So that we understand when God is Speaking, he gave us a basis to use.
JOHN 3:12
12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?

EARTHLY THINGS:
What is the procedure in Circumcision?
Circumcision is a procedure that removes the foreskin of the penis. It's commonly performed on babies, but can also be done on older children and adult

What is the purpose of Circumcision?
So that it is easier to clean.

• Improved hygiene: Circumcision can make it easier to wash and clean the genital area

EARTHLY THINGS: Physical Circumcision is performed by a physical doctor.

HEAVENLY THINGS: Spiritual Circumcision is performed by a Spiritual Doctor.
Who is the Spiritual Doctor?
Our Lord Jesus Christ.
MARK 2:17
17 When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

EARTHLY THINGS: A Physical Doctor is using a Sharp object for Physical Circumcision.
Sharp Blades is used for circumcision allowing a better grip

HEAVENLY THINGS: Our Lord Jesus Christ as Spiritual Doctor is also using Spiritual Sharp Blade for Circumcision.
What is the Spiritual Sharp Blade?
The Word of God in TRUTH as The Lord Jesus said in John 14:6 I am the TRUTH.
HEBREWS 4:12
12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

Is there a demonstration in the holy bible that our Lord Jesus Christ being a Spiritual Doctor Performed Spiritual Circumcision?
Yes there is...

 

[GWH]

Paul used an example of Gentiles shows that they have a circumcised heart by keeping God’s law, which was putting to shame those who were physically circumcised, but who were not keeping God’s law, so he was not speaking about perfect obedience. God never commanded circumcision for the purpose of earning our justification, so the Bible can speak against becoming circumcised for an incorrect reason without speaking against becoming circumcised for the reasons for which God commanded it.

Yes, God never commanded circumcision for the purpose of earning justification (TOP #24), but rather it was commanded of the Jews as part of the ceremonial laws God intended to keep their culture separate from Gentile humanity until it provided Messiah for the potential justification of all humanity (TOP #131 & 273).

At the Jerusalem Council (ACTS 15, cf. GL 2:1-9), continuing the practice of physical circumcision was permitted with the understanding that it was not salvific, but unfortunately there arose a circumcision group (TIT 1:10-14) that reverted to salvation via works or observing the OT laws (TOP #204, 227 & 256), which caused Paul many headaches and much heartburn (GL 1:6-9, 3:1-3, 4:17-20, 5:11-12 & 6:15-17).

 

[Dino246]

Nobody in this world is a Physical Descendant of Abraham.

That's the stupidest thing I've read all week. Try again.

Because God is speaking Spiritual Descendant of Abraham.
GENESIS 17:7
7 And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.

If God were speaking about spiritual descendants only, why did Abraham circumcise Ishmael, who is not a "spiritual descendant"?

Genesis 17:23 On that very day Abraham took his son Ishmael and all those born in his household or bought with his money, every male in his household, and circumcised them, as God told him.

 

[Godsgood]

That's the stupidest thing I've read all week. Try again.


If God were speaking about spiritual descendants only, why did Abraham circumcise Ishmael, who is not a "spiritual descendant"?

Genesis 17:23 On that very day Abraham took his son Ishmael and all those born in his household or bought with his money, every male in his household, and circumcised them, as God told him.

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That is the very clea

That's the stupidest thing I've read all week. Try again.


If God were speaking about spiritual descendants only, why did Abraham circumcise Ishmael, who is not a "spiritual descendant"?

Genesis 17:23 On that very day Abraham took his son Ishmael and all those born in his household or bought with his money, every male in his household, and circumcised them, as God told him.

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That is the very clear meaning of the Letter or in Literal which man understand.
In the word of of God written in the Bible, Abraham was the one who did it.
Genesis 17:23, God is referring to Spiritual meaning of what happened between Abraham & Ishmael.
God doesn't allow man's understanding.
PROVERBS 3:5
5 Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.

Because only God who can do the Spiritual Circumcision.
Therefore by humbling ourselves, we ask God the Father regarding the Spiritual meaning of Genesis 17:23.

 

[Dino246]

Genesis 17:23, God is referring to Spiritual meaning of what happened between Abraham & Ishmael.

Hogwash. That has absolutely no basis in the text.

God doesn't allow man's understanding.

Then you don’t understand anything in Scripture.

 

[Godsgood]

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Let us take The Spiritual Circumcision as Commanded by God:
GENESIS 17:10-13
10 This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised.
11 And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you.
12 And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed.
13 He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised: and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant.

According to God The Father the Circumcision is for EVERY MAN CHILD.
We can't take this in plain text or in Letter or literally because it should be done to Every Man Child means the Child is either Boy or Girl.

So that we understand when God is Speaking, he gave us a basis to use.
JOHN 3:12
12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?

EARTHLY THINGS:
What is the procedure in Circumcision?
Circumcision is a procedure that removes the foreskin of the penis. It's commonly performed on babies, but can also be done on older children and adult

What is the purpose of Circumcision?
So that it is easier to clean.

• Improved hygiene: Circumcision can make it easier to wash and clean the genital area

EARTHLY THINGS: Physical Circumcision is performed by a physical doctor.

HEAVENLY THINGS: Spiritual Circumcision is performed by a Spiritual Doctor.
Who is the Spiritual Doctor?
Our Lord Jesus Christ.
MARK 2:17
17 When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

EARTHLY THINGS: A Physical Doctor is using a Sharp object for Physical Circumcision.
Sharp Blades is used for circumcision allowing a better grip

HEAVENLY THINGS: Our Lord Jesus Christ as Spiritual Doctor is also using Spiritual Sharp Blade for Circumcision.
What is the Spiritual Sharp Blade?
The Word of God in TRUTH as The Lord Jesus said in John 14:6 I am the TRUTH.
HEBREWS 4:12
12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

Is there a demonstration in the holy bible that our Lord Jesus Christ being a Spiritual Doctor Performed Spiritual Circumcision?
Yes there is...

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Let us remember that other purpose of circumcision is to remove the exceeding skin or the Foreskin so that the opening of the Penis will be shown or expose what is inside. Because the foreskin is covering what is inside.
Therefore the cover must be removed so that what is inside will be revealed.

As an example demonstration of SPIRITUAL CIRCUMCISION performed by Our Lord Jesus as Spiritual Doctor.
Let us read the following verses carefully.
The Story of Lazarus:
JOHN 11:38-44
38 Jesus therefore again groaning in himself cometh to the grave. It was a cave, and a stone lay upon it.
39 Jesus said, Take ye away the stone. Martha, the sister of him that was dead, saith unto him, Lord, by this time he stinketh: for he hath been dead four days.
40 Jesus saith unto her, Said I not unto thee, that, if thou wouldest believe, thou shouldest see the glory of God?
41 Then they took away the stone from the place where the dead was laid. And Jesus lifted up his eyes, and said, Father, I thank thee that thou hast heard me.
42 And I knew that thou hearest me always: but because of the people which stand by I said it, that they may believe that thou hast sent me.
43 And when he thus had spoken, he cried with a loud voice, Lazarus, come forth.
44 And he that was dead came forth, bound hand and foot with graveclothes: and his face was bound about with a napkin. Jesus saith unto them, Loose him, and let him go.

Who will humble themselves and accept this revelation.

The Penis symbolizes the Cave.
The Foreskin symbolizes the Stone Lay Upon it

When the Stone is laying upon the cave, was a pitch of darkness inside. This is the equivalent of UNCIRCUMCISION.

When the Stone covering the Cave removed, the light came in. This is the equivalent of CIRCUMCISION.

Upon light entered inside the cave there is a dead body who is Lazarus. Then Jesus asked Lazarus to come forward and Lazarus came forward. And Lazarus risen from the dead.

Without removing The Stone that covering the opening of the Cave, the light will not come in and Lazarus will not come forward.

This is the Spiritual Circumcision that must be followed by everybody in any gender either Boy or Girl.
GENESIS 17:10
10 This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised.

 

[Needevidence]

Do you drink Jesus' blood and eat his flesh?

no I dont do you?

 

[Godsgood]

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Let us remember that other purpose of circumcision is to remove the exceeding skin or the Foreskin so that the opening of the Penis will be shown or expose what is inside. Because the foreskin is covering what is inside.
Therefore the cover must be removed so that what is inside will be revealed.

As an example demonstration of SPIRITUAL CIRCUMCISION performed by Our Lord Jesus as Spiritual Doctor.
Let us read the following verses carefully.
The Story of Lazarus:
JOHN 11:38-44
38 Jesus therefore again groaning in himself cometh to the grave. It was a cave, and a stone lay upon it.
39 Jesus said, Take ye away the stone. Martha, the sister of him that was dead, saith unto him, Lord, by this time he stinketh: for he hath been dead four days.
40 Jesus saith unto her, Said I not unto thee, that, if thou wouldest believe, thou shouldest see the glory of God?
41 Then they took away the stone from the place where the dead was laid. And Jesus lifted up his eyes, and said, Father, I thank thee that thou hast heard me.
42 And I knew that thou hearest me always: but because of the people which stand by I said it, that they may believe that thou hast sent me.
43 And when he thus had spoken, he cried with a loud voice, Lazarus, come forth.
44 And he that was dead came forth, bound hand and foot with graveclothes: and his face was bound about with a napkin. Jesus saith unto them, Loose him, and let him go.

Who will humble themselves and accept this revelation.

The Penis symbolizes the Cave.
The Foreskin symbolizes the Stone Lay Upon it

When the Stone is laying upon the cave, was a pitch of darkness inside. This is the equivalent of UNCIRCUMCISION.

When the Stone covering the Cave removed, the light came in. This is the equivalent of CIRCUMCISION.

Upon light entered inside the cave there is a dead body who is Lazarus. Then Jesus asked Lazarus to come forward and Lazarus came forward. And Lazarus risen from the dead.

Without removing The Stone that covering the opening of the Cave, the light will not come in and Lazarus will not come forward.

This is the Spiritual Circumcision that must be followed by everybody in any gender either Boy or Girl.
GENESIS 17:10
10 This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised.

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When Lazarus was inside the Cave and dead, although he was Physically Circumcised but he was not Spiritually Circumcised.

Therefore: People who are Spiritual Uncircumcised are dead.

What is the use of Circumcision when the person is already dead?
It is easy to understand that Lazarus when he was in the Cave he was dead.
In man' understanding, dead people are those in Morgue or in Cemetery.

Since God The Father is Speaking in Parables Psalms 78:2.
God The Father is referring to Spiritually dead.

Who are the People that are Spiritually Dead?
This is what God The Father said.
PROVERBS 21:16
16 The man that wandereth out of the way of understanding shall remain in the congregation of the dead.

Anybody even He or She is Physically Alive but has no understanding from God is Spiritually Dead or Spiritually Uncircumcised.

 

[Dino246]

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Let us remember that other purpose of circumcision is to remove the exceeding skin or the Foreskin so that the opening of the Penis will be shown or expose what is inside. Because the foreskin is covering what is inside.
Therefore the cover must be removed so that what is inside will be revealed.

As an example demonstration of SPIRITUAL CIRCUMCISION performed by Our Lord Jesus as Spiritual Doctor.
Let us read the following verses carefully.
The Story of Lazarus:
JOHN 11:38-44
38 Jesus therefore again groaning in himself cometh to the grave. It was a cave, and a stone lay upon it.
39 Jesus said, Take ye away the stone. Martha, the sister of him that was dead, saith unto him, Lord, by this time he stinketh: for he hath been dead four days.
40 Jesus saith unto her, Said I not unto thee, that, if thou wouldest believe, thou shouldest see the glory of God?
41 Then they took away the stone from the place where the dead was laid. And Jesus lifted up his eyes, and said, Father, I thank thee that thou hast heard me.
42 And I knew that thou hearest me always: but because of the people which stand by I said it, that they may believe that thou hast sent me.
43 And when he thus had spoken, he cried with a loud voice, Lazarus, come forth.
44 And he that was dead came forth, bound hand and foot with graveclothes: and his face was bound about with a napkin. Jesus saith unto them, Loose him, and let him go.

Who will humble themselves and accept this revelation.

The Penis symbolizes the Cave.
The Foreskin symbolizes the Stone Lay Upon it

When the Stone is laying upon the cave, was a pitch of darkness inside. This is the equivalent of UNCIRCUMCISION.

When the Stone covering the Cave removed, the light came in. This is the equivalent of CIRCUMCISION.

Upon light entered inside the cave there is a dead body who is Lazarus. Then Jesus asked Lazarus to come forward and Lazarus came forward. And Lazarus risen from the dead.

Without removing The Stone that covering the opening of the Cave, the light will not come in and Lazarus will not come forward.

This is the Spiritual Circumcision that must be followed by everybody in any gender either Boy or Girl.
GENESIS 17:10
10 This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised.

Hogwash. That doesn’t make any sense whatsoever. You’re just stringing words together and pretending they are revelations.