Slain in the spirit?

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Genez

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Wansvic said:
The scriptures shared reveal the individual's actually received the Holy Ghost. Those who already have the Holy Ghost would not be required to receive the Holy Ghost again.
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But, we need to keep being filled with the Spirit.
Too many walk in a state of grieving the Spirit....

The way a born-again believer is to maintain the filling of the Spirit has been laid out for us in 1 John 1:9.

If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins ​
and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness". ​
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We have been commanded to be filled with the Spirit.​
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Ephesians 5:18

Do not get drunk on wine, which leads to debauchery. Instead, be filled with the Spirit,​



................ grace and peace
 
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Cameron143 said:
And yet they did experience a manifestation of the Spirit. Thus, what they experienced was not an indwelling.
Later, in Acts 2:37, when people were pricked in the heart, this is the evidence that they had been indwelt.
The disciples had already received the Holy Spirit when Jesus breathed on them...John 20:22. What they experienced the day of Pentecost was a different manifestation of the Spirit.
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No matter the word used to describe the experience, there is tangible evidence when people receive the Holy Spirit. The word of God reveals and confirms it. (Acts 2:4, 33, 37-42, 8:12-18, 10:43-48, 19:1-7)
 
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Wansvic said:
No matter the word used to describe the experience, there is tangible evidence when people receive the Holy Spirit. The word of God reveals and confirms it. (Acts 2:4, 33, 37-42, 8:12-18, 10:43-48, 19:1-7)
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Receive how is what is in question. That is to say, there are different manifestations of the Spirit for different purposes and are the result of different entities. You have conflated every manifestation of the Spirit to be the same. This is why you are confused.

As an example, the indwelling of the Spirit is no where in scripture said to be accompanied by external signs. It is simply the point when the Spirit places one into the body of Christ...1 Corinthians 12:13. Where it is simultaneously accompanied by the baptism of the Spirit...an outward expression of the Spirit performed by Jesus Himself according to Matthew 3:11.., it is a sign and seal to the believer that God has indeed done an internal work of placing the individual into the body of Christ.
The sealing is not the indwelling. It is given to confirm it.
 
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Cameron143 said:
Receive how is what is in question. That is to say, there are different manifestations of the Spirit for different purposes and are the result of different entities. You have conflated every manifestation of the Spirit to be the same. This is why you are confused.

As an example, the indwelling of the Spirit is no where in scripture said to be accompanied by external signs. It is simply the point when the Spirit places one into the body of Christ...1 Corinthians 12:13. Where it is simultaneously accompanied by the baptism of the Spirit...an outward expression of the Spirit performed by Jesus Himself according to Matthew 3:11.., it is a sign and seal to the believer that God has indeed done an internal work of placing the individual into the body of Christ.
The sealing is not the indwelling. It is given to confirm it.
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I disagree. God is one. But do thank you for the discussion.
 
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Cameron143 said:
Receive how is what is in question. That is to say, there are different manifestations of the Spirit for different purposes and are the result of different entities. You have conflated every manifestation of the Spirit to be the same. This is why you are confused.

As an example, the indwelling of the Spirit is no where in scripture said to be accompanied by external signs. It is simply the point when the Spirit places one into the body of Christ...1 Corinthians 12:13. Where it is simultaneously accompanied by the baptism of the Spirit...an outward expression of the Spirit performed by Jesus Himself according to Matthew 3:11.., it is a sign and seal to the believer that God has indeed done an internal work of placing the individual into the body of Christ.
The sealing is not the indwelling. It is given to confirm it.
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To be clear concerning my 804 post.

Scripture reveals God is one. Not a multitude of entities as you propose.

"But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you.
Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his." Rom. 8:9
 
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I disagree. God is one. But do thank you for the discussion.
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What do you believe it means that God is One, and how does this relate to the different manifestations of the Spirit?
 
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Wansvic said:
To be clear concerning my 804 post.

Scripture reveals God is one. Not a multitude of entities as you propose.

"But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you.
Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his." Rom. 8:9
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How does this limit the different aspects of the Spirit's ministry?
 
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Wansvic said:
To be clear concerning my 804 post.

Scripture reveals God is one. Not a multitude of entities as you propose.

"But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you.
Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his." Rom. 8:9
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God is one.
Yet, can be manifested in various ways....

Who was speaking through Balaam's donkey?
Who was speaking to Moses through the burning bush?

If someone speaks to you on your phone?
Is it the phone that is speaking to you?

God is always the same God.
How He communicates Himself can be by means of various ways.

That is why we must test the spirits....


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Cameron143 said:
How does this limit the different aspects of the Spirit's ministry?
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Please clarify the meaning of your comment "...they are the result of different entities."

Your comment: "there are different manifestations of the Spirit for different purposes and are the result of different entities."
 
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Wansvic said:
Please clarify the meaning of your comment "...they are the result of different entities."

Your comment: "there are different manifestations of the Spirit for different purposes and are the result of different entities."
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Sure. Who places an individual into the body of Christ? According to 1 Corinthians 12:13, it is the Holy Spirit. Who baptizes an individual with the Holy Spirit? According to Matthew 3:11, it is Christ.

One action is performed by the Spirit; the other is performed by Jesus.
 
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Wansvic said:
You are missing the point, the account reveals it is possible to know if the Holy Spirit has come to dwell in one's body. Paul asked, Have you received the Holy Ghost since you believed? The account reveals speaking in tongues confirmed the experience.

Paul's question reveals people know whether or not they have received the Holy Ghost. No one has to guess if they have had the experience.
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I am not shure, who is more missing the point. You make an doctrine from an one time report about a unique situation which has the purpose to show the diciples of John, that they need to have the gospel of Christ. I supose that they didnt know something about Pentecost. Before Pentecost they could not have the Holy Spirit. So Pauls question seems to be more rethorical and expectet a No from the disciples.
According your view I dont have received the Holy Spirit. Because I did not spoke in tongues when I became a child of God.
 
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I believe that the Holy Spirit enables a person according to the purposes and will of God.
Are we not called for a purpose, Some may be called to a specific work while others may be the lay people setting the foundation.
All are important and advance the kingdom to come.
No one is above another but all are in christ.
Jesus was led by the Holy Spirit and demonstrated it throughout his ministry. He was led into the wilderness to be tempted. He ment the woman at the well. He delayed his visit to lazuraus. In the temple he prophesied of himself by saying " the Spirit of the Lord is upon me" to quote Isaiah. Just to mention a few.
The Spirit of the Lord goes here and there like the wind.
The upper room experience was for the purposes of God. A appointed time. Pentecost.
God has always had a appointed time for his children..That's what the sabbaths and feast days are all about.
In Genesis God shows this as he walked in the garden in the cool of the day...... A specific time.
God after seeing his creation was good set apart a specific day in which God could have our undivided attention away from the distraction of every day life. Remember the sabbath was made for man.
Some may say that Jesus is our sabbath Jesus said he is Lord of the sabbath this to me means we will find his peace in the sabbath.
But that's another discussion.
 
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When they have rejected the true substance of His Name?
Then they try to make a name for themselves.
False teaching abounds as a result.

And, as far as false teachers?
They are all "experts."
They will argue over the vanity of their own imaginations.
They can become a waste of time meant to be redeemed.



Therefore, it says:​
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“Awake, O sleeper,​
and arise from the dead,​
and Christ will give you light.”​
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Watch carefully then how you live, ​
not as foolish persons but as wise, ​
making the most of the opportunity, ​
because the days are evil.​
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Eph 5:14b-16​



Surely the days are evil..........
 
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Blain said:
Sadly I am broke I can't buy it but it looks very interesting
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If anyone wants to learn how the Greek of the Bible expresses how the gifts will end at different time and in different ways...
This is one excellent teacher who taught at a seminary with an emphasis on the original languages.

The Temporary Gift deniers all say those gifts will end when Jesus appears.
Yet, the Greek tenses reveal that would be impossible.

Some gifts will fade out on their own and gradually die out.
Others will end instantaneously....

Here is the commentary again: https://ggf-usa-archive.com/product...-corinthians-based-on-the-greek-new-testament

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Genez said:
If anyone wants to learn how the Greek of the Bible expresses how the gifts will end at different time and in different ways...
This is one excellent teacher who taught at a seminary with an emphasis on the original languages.

The Temporary Gift deniers all say those gifts will end when Jesus appears.
Yet, the Greek tenses reveal that would be impossible.

Some gifts will fade out on their own and gradually die out.
Others will end instantaneously....

Here is the commentary again: https://ggf-usa-archive.com/product...-corinthians-based-on-the-greek-new-testament

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Well it would at least be educational and intersting I personally love the hebrew text it is not easy to learn but the bible opens wide up
 
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wolfwint said:
I am not shure, who is more missing the point. You make an doctrine from an one time report about a unique situation which has the purpose to show the diciples of John, that they need to have the gospel of Christ. I supose that they didnt know something about Pentecost. Before Pentecost they could not have the Holy Spirit. So Pauls question seems to be more rethorical and expectet a No from the disciples.
According your view I dont have received the Holy Spirit. Because I did not spoke in tongues when I became a child of God.
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Paul's question means exactly what is recorded. The Acts 19 account itself confirms people do not receive the Holy Spirit upon belief. The men did not receive the Holy Spirit until Paul laids hands upon them. And this only occurred after they heard the gospel, and submitted to water baptism in the name of Jesus. And, other scriptures attest to this as well. See: Acts 2:4-41, 8:12-18. The one exception is seen in Acts 10:43-48 as it served a purpose. God confirmed to Peter that salvation was open to Gentiles.
 
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shittim said:
not everyone who claims to be Christian is truly Christian.
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A TOTALLY accurate statement. " Religious "belief" doesn't go the job. Being BORN AGAIN is the result of FAITH in the SIN OFFERING made by Jesus on the Cross. Nothing else even comes close.
 
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