The Holy Spirit and Salvation !
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I think I know, and I agree, but you said you were lost, so I just wanted you to find and agree with yourself.
(Glad you don't mind my attempt to inject a little humor :^)
The Sanctification of the Spirit is unto obedience ! What obedience ? Its the obedience of Faith to the Faith.
1 Pet 1:2
Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
The word obedience here is the greek word hypakoē:
obedience, compliance, submission
2) obedience rendered to anyone's counsels, an obedience shown in observing the requirements of Christianity
Its the same word used here Rom 1:5
5By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:
This obedience to the faith answers the law of faith, mentioned Romans 3:27.
The act of faith is the obedience of the understanding to God revealing, and the product of that is the obedience of the will to God commanding.
Faith is an act of obedience , for its commanded to believe 1 Jn 3:23
23And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ,
Obedience is used for Faith here Rom 15:18
18For I will not dare to speak of any of those things which Christ hath not wrought by me, to make the Gentiles obedient, by word and deed,
And here Rom 16:26
26But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:
The submission of Faith. Remember Paul said the jews had not submitted themselves to the righteousness of God Rom 10:3
3For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
Paul is basically saying they have not believed, they had no faith.
But this is the obedience the Holy Spirit works into each elect vessel of mercy, He brings them unto obedience unto Faith.
2 Thess 2 :13 states the same here :
13But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
Belief of the Truth here is an obedience to it, a submission or hearkening to it Gal 3:1
O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? 1
1 Pet 1:2
Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
The word obedience here is the greek word hypakoē:
obedience, compliance, submission
2) obedience rendered to anyone's counsels, an obedience shown in observing the requirements of Christianity
Its the same word used here Rom 1:5
5By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:
This obedience to the faith answers the law of faith, mentioned Romans 3:27.
The act of faith is the obedience of the understanding to God revealing, and the product of that is the obedience of the will to God commanding.
Faith is an act of obedience , for its commanded to believe 1 Jn 3:23
23And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ,
Obedience is used for Faith here Rom 15:18
18For I will not dare to speak of any of those things which Christ hath not wrought by me, to make the Gentiles obedient, by word and deed,
And here Rom 16:26
26But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:
The submission of Faith. Remember Paul said the jews had not submitted themselves to the righteousness of God Rom 10:3
3For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
Paul is basically saying they have not believed, they had no faith.
But this is the obedience the Holy Spirit works into each elect vessel of mercy, He brings them unto obedience unto Faith.
2 Thess 2 :13 states the same here :
13But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
Belief of the Truth here is an obedience to it, a submission or hearkening to it Gal 3:1
O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? 1
If so, then Paul led us astray, but it seems a more common error is failure to understand that there is no qualitative difference between faith that accepts God’s saving grace and faith that walks in faith while accepting God’s working grace (EPH 2:8-10), but only a quantitative difference as each additional moment passes–and of course faith remains non-meritorious during the saint’s entire lifetime.
(I failed to understand this myself until given this insight just yesterday by the HS because of something that was said by someone somewhere on CC :^)
Not sure why you understand that faith is a fruit of the Spirit but not that there is no qualitative difference between faith that accepts God’s saving grace and faith that walks in faith while accepting God’s working grace (EPH 2:8-10), but only a quantitative difference as each additional moment passes (remaining non-meritorious during the saint’s entire lifetime)--except that I did not understand the latter either (until yesterday :^)
@GWH
From scripture. Gal 5:22
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
2 Thess 2:13
But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
It faith or belief of the Truth is the fruit of the Spirits Sanctifying work
From scripture. Gal 5:22
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
2 Thess 2:13
But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
It faith or belief of the Truth is the fruit of the Spirits Sanctifying work
If you bifurcate the Bible the way you just did my sentence it is no wonder we have trouble COmmunicating!
Yes, but that is only half of COmmunication, unless by capitalizing Faith you intend to agree that there is no qualitative difference between Faith that accepts God’s saving grace and faith that walks in faith while accepting God’s working grace (EPH 2:8-10), but only a quantitative difference as each additional moment passes (remaining non-meritorious during the saint’s entire lifetime).
(If so, then I guess you had that insight before I did :^)
Yes, a fruit that is given to every morally accountable soul sufficiently for them to accept God's grace and be saved, and then is given to every saint sufficiently for them to grow in Christlikeness toward moral maturity.
The obedience of Faith is through the Spirit !
As though 1 Pet 1:2 is not enough for the adversaries of the Truth to attribute Faith to the Work of the Spirit, Peter mentions it again later in the same chapter that they obeyed the Truth through the Spirit. 1 Pet 1:22-23
22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:
23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
This obeying here is the same word for obedience in 1 Pet 1:2 , another confirmation that Gospel obedience comes through the effectual working of the Holy Spirit through the New Birth.
As though 1 Pet 1:2 is not enough for the adversaries of the Truth to attribute Faith to the Work of the Spirit, Peter mentions it again later in the same chapter that they obeyed the Truth through the Spirit. 1 Pet 1:22-23
22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:
23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
This obeying here is the same word for obedience in 1 Pet 1:2 , another confirmation that Gospel obedience comes through the effectual working of the Holy Spirit through the New Birth.
Equating apples with oranges is not a valid hermeneutical technique.
Citing GW is: 1TM 2:3-4 re saving Faith available to all people and 1CR 12:13 re fruitful faith given to all Christians.
See being born again is by the Spirit, Jesus stated that clearly, and its as uncontrollable as the wind Jn 3:3-8
3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
A man has no control over the workings of the wind. See when you and i were physically born by the will of God, we had no say so, our will wasnt consulted, it was not our choice on who our parents would be, what our ethnicity would be,what our sex would be, what time in world history we would be born, where we would be born,its all purposed by Gods will Ecc 3:2
A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted;
Also being born again is imperceptible, do you remember when you were first conceived in your mother, that's when your life began ? Being born of the Spirit is something that occurs in our subconscious, its not some tangible substance that God brings to you and say, hey, im offering you to be born again, its up to you to accept it or reject it, that's probably how you think, judging from your posts.
Yes, being born again is by having the Gospel brought to you, such as Paul did to the Gentiles for example, and folks may accept it or reject it, as when Paul went “every Sabbath to the synagogue, trying to persuade Jews and Greeks” (ACTS 18:4) “He witnessed to them from morning till evening, explaining about the kingdom of God, and from the Law of Moses and from the Prophets he tried to persuade them about Jesus.” (ACTS 28:23b)
“Some were convinced by what he said, but others would not believe. (ACTS 28:24) They disagreed among themselves and began to leave after Paul made this final statement: The Holy Spirit spoke the truth to your ancestors when he said through Isaiah the prophet, “You will be ever hearing but never understanding; you will be ever seeing but never perceiving, for this people’s heart has become calloused.” (ACTS 28:25-27a, cf. 2TM 3:7)
He makes Known Our Salvation through the Gospel !
Eph 1:9
9 Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:
Eph 1:13
13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
When God the Holy Spirit gives elect sinners faith in Christ, He makes known the Mystery of His Will, He reveals the Eternal secrets of God's heart to His Children, and this revelation of the Mystery of His will is God given assurance [faith] of our Election and Redemption in Christ. He reveals these things to us His Children Deut 29:29
29The secret things belong unto the LORD our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law.
That we, The Children may walk in the Spirit, and Live by Faith ! For the Just [ Legally Justified by the blood of Christ] shall live by Faith.
Rom 1:17
For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
All for whom Christ died, The Holy Spirit will make known to them, something up to now that was a secret or hidden from them, thats what a mystery is, and that is, they are righteous before God premised on Christ blood, and that they are Children of God.
Thats what the Gospel reveals to those Christ died for, by the work of the Holy Spirit. 1
Eph 1:9
9 Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:
Eph 1:13
13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
When God the Holy Spirit gives elect sinners faith in Christ, He makes known the Mystery of His Will, He reveals the Eternal secrets of God's heart to His Children, and this revelation of the Mystery of His will is God given assurance [faith] of our Election and Redemption in Christ. He reveals these things to us His Children Deut 29:29
29The secret things belong unto the LORD our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law.
That we, The Children may walk in the Spirit, and Live by Faith ! For the Just [ Legally Justified by the blood of Christ] shall live by Faith.
Rom 1:17
For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
All for whom Christ died, The Holy Spirit will make known to them, something up to now that was a secret or hidden from them, thats what a mystery is, and that is, they are righteous before God premised on Christ blood, and that they are Children of God.
Thats what the Gospel reveals to those Christ died for, by the work of the Holy Spirit. 1
The phrase "from faith to faith" has long intrigued me.
Is the meaning historical, as from the faith of Abraham to the faith of NT believers?
Or is it chronological, meaning from initial saving faith thru persevering/sanctifying faith?
(both-and)?