The hatred of Jews

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HeIsHere

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If one genuinely believes it's God's doing, then own that the Palestinian Arabs were betrayed by Britain/France and don't deny the Nakba. I don't understand why you have to deny history to make your claim that it's God's will.
Exactly, Christians supporting lies is never a good look to others.
 

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Which begs the question if this is man trying to fulfill biblical prophecy (Zionism), or if it's God using man (the Brits) to call back the Jews. There is just a plethora of evidence to suggest that man plotted to force God's hand on the timing of the return of Jews to Israel. But I want to be crystal clear about something. Let's grant that it was God's will that the Palestinian Arabs would be betrayed on their deal with Britain/France about ruling over Palestine if they helped defeat the Ottoman empire and that the Jews are to return to Israel. This does not mean that the property that legitimately belongs to the Palestinian Arabs somehow legitimately belongs to European Jews who are moving in. They can return to Israel and start their lives... but did God allow them to overtake other people's property?

A big issue is that there is a refusal to acknowledge this even happened in spite of there still being living descendants of this tragic event (the Nakba) alive today. I predict in the next 10-20 years, when the people who alive in 1948 are dead, the history of the Nakba will further be erased and replaced.

If one genuinely believes it's God's doing, then own that the Palestinian Arabs were betrayed by Britain/France and don't deny the Nakba. I don't understand why you have to deny history to make your claim that it's God's will.
This only begs the question of those without faith in God.
 

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The prophet was Jesus who said that.

Luke 13:2 And Jesus answering said unto them, Suppose ye that these Galilaeans were sinners above all the Galilaeans, because they suffered such things? 3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish. 4 Or those eighteen, upon whom the tower in Siloam fell, and slew them, think ye that they were sinners above all men that dwelt in Jerusalem? 5 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

Jewish people do not take instructions from Jesus.
 

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Jewish people do not take instructions from Jesus.
They take instructions from the Messiah. The fact that the rulers of the Jews rejected Jesus does not change the fact that Jesus is the Messiah, and that includes the Jews Messiah. The word Messiah means anointed one. Right now Jesus is like King David and the Jews are like King Saul. Just because Saul tried to deny David was anointed does not change the fact that David was the anointed king.
 
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This only begs the question of those without faith in God.
So asking questions is evidence of a lack of faith in God and NOT a desire to know God's ultimate will? I disagree entirely. Asking questions shows a desire to know the truth. When we don't seek out truth, you get people who drink poisonous kool-aid.

Has God given you a complete knowledge of everything? Or do you ever have questions and try to seek those answers with the tools He has given us? Genuine question.
 

HeIsHere

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They take instructions from the Messiah. The fact that the rulers of the Jews rejected Jesus does not change the fact that Jesus is the Messiah, and that includes the Jews Messiah.
He did not tell them to enact horrendous pain and suffering on the inhabitants of the land, as far as I know they were not sacrificing babies to Moloch.
Believe as you will, I know this reformulated state is essential to your eschatology.
 

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So asking questions is evidence of a lack of faith in God and NOT a desire to know God's ultimate will? I disagree entirely. Asking questions shows a desire to know the truth. When we don't seek out truth, you get people who drink poisonous kool-aid.

Has God given you a complete knowledge of everything? Or do you ever have questions and try to seek those answers with the tools He has given us? Genuine question.
Why are you asking me or any other person this question, ask God.
 

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He did not tell them to enact horrendous pain and suffering on the inhabitants of the land, as far as I know they were not sacrificing babies to Moloch.
Believe as you will, I know this reformulated state is essential to your eschatology.
Jesus warned them 2,000 years ago to repent or else they would all suffer the same horrific end.

Your question was "who was the prophet that gave these instructions no where to be found"

I have shown you that it was Jesus and it is found in the gospels.
 
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Why are you asking me or any other person this question, ask God.
Because God didn't assert that asking questions means you lack faith in Him, you did. Discerning truth is something ALL Christians who have faith in the Savior Jesus Christ ought to do. We do this by asking.

I don't know about you, but when I read a difficult passage in the bible, I ask for the Spirit to be with me and help me understand whatever it is that is confusing me. We can all read, but studying takes a lot more work. Asking questions is a part of studying. You apply a negative connotation to it for some weird reason and want me to ask God why you think this way.
 

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Because God didn't assert that asking questions means you lack faith in Him, you did. Discerning truth is something ALL Christians who have faith in the Savior Jesus Christ ought to do. We do this by asking.

I don't know about you, but when I read a difficult passage in the bible, I ask for the Spirit to be with me and help me understand whatever it is that is confusing me. We can all read, but studying takes a lot more work. Asking questions is a part of studying. You apply a negative connotation to it for some weird reason and want me to ask God why you think this way.
My point is if you have faith in God and His word as you claim you will not be asking me, or Britain, or anyone else about this, you will be asking God about it.

Asking anyone else about this indicates a lack of faith in God's word. He is the one who said it, not me. He is the one who is faithful to do it, not me or Britain or anyone else.

It is not for me, a vessel created by God to judge. This is the world He created so if you don't understand something, ask Him.

The verse I gave you said that every man can be a liar and God only is true. So why are you asking people who are liars if you believe the word of God that God only is true?
 

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Because God didn't assert that asking questions means you lack faith in Him, you did. Discerning truth is something ALL Christians who have faith in the Savior Jesus Christ ought to do. We do this by asking.

I don't know about you, but when I read a difficult passage in the bible, I ask for the Spirit to be with me and help me understand whatever it is that is confusing me. We can all read, but studying takes a lot more work. Asking questions is a part of studying. You apply a negative connotation to it for some weird reason and want me to ask God why you think this way.

No worries @Smoke we have asked God about it and indeed man made answers were found lacking.
 

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He did not tell them to enact horrendous pain and suffering on the inhabitants of the land, as far as I know they were not sacrificing babies to Moloch.
Believe as you will, I know this reformulated state is essential to your eschatology.
In your opinion, what would be a good resolution to this ongoing conflict? I am 100% certain of your eternal destiny and your sound doctrine.....So I am not baiting you. I am curious and humbly ask.
 
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Because God didn't assert that asking questions means you lack faith in Him, you did. Discerning truth is something ALL Christians who have faith in the Savior Jesus Christ ought to do. We do this by asking.

I don't know about you, but when I read a difficult passage in the bible, I ask for the Spirit to be with me and help me understand whatever it is that is confusing me. We can all read, but studying takes a lot more work. Asking questions is a part of studying. You apply a negative connotation to it for some weird reason and want me to ask God why you think this way.

You can use a history book, the Bible, or both. The land belongs to the Jews. First as an ancestral homeland and second when the bought the land back from rich overlords. The facts are easy enough to find if you wish to find them.


 

HeIsHere

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In your opinion, what would be a good resolution to this ongoing conflict? I am 100% certain of your eternal destiny and your sound doctrine.....So I am not baiting you. I am curious and humbly ask.
There is no win-win, good resolution left, when I have looked at the peace negotiations over the years it so obvious who the party who always put road blocks in place, but the media would never let the full story be known.

We know Gaza and the West Bank will be taken over slowly but surely, Bibi held up the picture at the UN, they feel pretty secure in their plans now.

I am not a dispensationalist....Christ Jesus is Israel, it is so plain in scripture. In terms of eschatology this is all a counterfeit.

The side with the most power, money and influence will do what they always had in mind from the start, playing the long game, giving the appearance of peace when in reality pursing continued destabilization for the entire region.

I am not anti-American as in the "regular" folk, but some leaders should really be bought to trial for all the crimes committed in Gaza, West Bank and using Ukraine for a proxy war. I find it truly sad and maddening.
 

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There is no win-win, good resolution left, when I have looked at the peace negotiations over the years it so obvious who the party who always put road blocks in place, but the media would never let the full story be known.

We know Gaza and the West Bank will be taken over slowly but surely, Bibi held up the picture at the UN, they feel pretty secure in their plans now.

I am not a dispensationalist....Christ Jesus is Israel, it is so plain in scripture. In terms of eschatology this is all a counterfeit.

The side with the most power, money and influence will do what they always had in mind from the start, playing the long game, giving the appearance of peace when in reality pursing continued destabilization for the entire region.

I am not anti-American as in the "regular" folk, but some leaders should really be bought to trial for all the crimes committed in Gaza, West Bank and using Ukraine for a proxy war. I find it truly sad and maddening.
Thank you for the response. I appreciate it.
 

ThereRoseaLamb

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Thank you for the response. I appreciate it.
Well her response isn't truthful but apparently that doesn't matter. Bill Clinton himself said the Palestinians were impossible to work with. They have turned down every offer of peace, but that's Israels fault? Hardly. This isn't about a two state solution, not even about land. It's about wanting the Jews gone for good. From the river to the sea, what does that mean?
 

HeIsHere

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Well her response isn't truthful but apparently that doesn't matter. Bill Clinton himself said the Palestinians were impossible to work with. They have turned down every offer of peace, but that's Israels fault? Hardly. This isn't about a two state solution, not even about land. It's about wanting the Jews gone for good. From the river to the sea, what does that mean?
Yes cause he is honest and trustworthy, he never lied ever. :rolleyes:

The historical record once again is clear. Israel always set the bar too high due to their own long term agenda.

If they had really wanted to create an independent state for the inhabitants of the land they would have done it 1948 instead of carrying out the Nakba.