My KJV Debate with Jeffrey Dollar
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The Nestle-Aland (NA) and UBS editions of the Greek New Testament differ in page layout and intended use, but they use the same Greek text. The NA is often preferred for scholarly research, while the UBS is designed for students and translators.
Nestle-Aland
The NA edition of the Greek New Testament is often considered the best choice for scholarly research.
UBS
The UBS edition of the Greek New Testament is designed for students and translators. The UBS text is the most widely-used text of the New Testament.
Other Greek New Testament editions:
- Textus Receptus: The Greek basis for the New Testament used in the King James Bible.
- Novum Testamentum Graece: An edition of the Greek New Testament that some scholars consider to be the most accurate
The NA and UBS editions differ in some details of punctuation and capitalization. The page layout and intended use also differ between the two editions
I say ---Nothing here about changing Scripture ----all about punctuation etc
NIV (New International Version)
Summary: The most popular modern version of the Bible, known for its excellent and broadly accessible balance of accuracy and readability.
- Year released: 1978 (Revised 2011)
- Reading level: 7 (Relatively easy)
- Translation team/sponsor: 100+ evangelical Bible scholars for Biblica (licensed to Zondervan in the U.S.)
KJV (King James Version)
Summary: The enduring and influential classic that set the bar for English Bible translations. Best for traditional worship settings and historical or literary-minded readers.
- Year released: 1611
- Reading level: 12 (Very challenging)
- Translation team/sponsor: 47 Anglican scholars and clergy for King James I of England
Commissioned (or “authorized”) by King James I of England in 1604, undertaken by a team of 47 scholars, and released in 1611, the KJV became the definitive Bible version in the English-speaking world until at least the mid-twentieth century. It is directly responsible for hundreds of English terms and phrases that we use every day — often without realizing their Biblical origin.
The KJV initially took a formal equivalence approach, though (because it was intended to be read aloud in services) it paid special attention to the beauty and elegance of the language. That effort still bears fruit today.
On the other hand, our language has changed a lot since 1611, and some of the phrasing and sentence structure can be confusing to modern readers. We no longer use “thee” and “thou” as informal pronouns, for example, which makes them paradoxically sound more formal.
In addition, 400 years of Bible scholarship has enabled us to see areas where the KJV translators had less access to the resources we have today, and had to make some occasionally puzzling guesses. (My personal favorite is from Numbers 23:22, God “hath as it were the strength of an unicorn.” Today most translations use “wild ox.”)
Strong's Lexicon---KJV ---uses unicorn ---others use wild OX ---means the same thing
reem: Wild ox, unicorn
Bible_Highlighter,----Your trying to make this whole thing complicated and it is not ----say what you like --all Bibles Say the same thing -----your Grasping at straws to try and say that the King James Bible is the only accurate translated Bible -----you can think that ---but all Bible give out the same Spiritual message and you can't change that by saying one bible is better than another ---you might like the King James B better than others but your Bible is no better than any other ----
NKJV (New King James Version)
Summary: An update to the KJV that preserves its literary majesty while modernizing archaic words and phrases.
Oh, goodie. Another potential thread on Calvinism.
Hold on. This just in from Pastor Ized Cheese from the KJV Only church.
"Jesus is building mansions for each of us in heaven.
Open your hymnals, and let us sing 'Victory in Jesus.'
I heard about a mansion He has built for me in glory..."
Do you see what happens when nobody responds to my post in which I documented just one of the terrible translations in the KJV?
See how much of this Satanic garbage you can bear. I could only endure it for about one minute.
43,000 people were potentially deceived by just that one video. In fact, it received 833 likes.
Anyhow, I still believe that the KJV is the best English translation available, and I read it all of the time myself, but anyone who claims that it is a perfect translation is delusional.
Hold on. This just in from Pastor Ized Cheese from the KJV Only church.
"Jesus is building mansions for each of us in heaven.
Open your hymnals, and let us sing 'Victory in Jesus.'
I heard about a mansion He has built for me in glory..."
Do you see what happens when nobody responds to my post in which I documented just one of the terrible translations in the KJV?
See how much of this Satanic garbage you can bear. I could only endure it for about one minute.
43,000 people were potentially deceived by just that one video. In fact, it received 833 likes.
Anyhow, I still believe that the KJV is the best English translation available, and I read it all of the time myself, but anyone who claims that it is a perfect translation is delusional.
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Bible_Highlighter,---here is some more Bible ---do you not think that these people have good knowledge of the language they are translating from ----
NRSVue (New Revised Standard Version, Updated Edition)
Translation team/sponsor: 50+ scholars from Protestant, Catholic, Orthodox, and Jewish backgrounds for the National Council of Churches USA
ESV (English Standard Version)
The ESV translation was conducted in the late 1990s by about 100 evangelical scholars
the ESV endeavored to hold to an “essentially literal” approach that emphasizes word-for-word accuracy and fidelity
NASB (New American Standard Bible)
Throughout these improvements, though, the NASB has held closely to a strict word-for-word equivalence. This makes it a good choice for scholars and anyone looking for a very close adherence to the original structure and wording of the Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek texts.
I say ------If people would spend as much time doing the word as they do trying to push one Bible as being the right one ----or criticizing this or that in scripture ---- they would be a lot better off in my view ----Doing the word brings peace to your Body and Mind --trying to decide what Bible you should follow brings nothing but confusion and turmoil to your body and mind -----which comes from Satan not God Folks ----
NRSVue (New Revised Standard Version, Updated Edition)
Translation team/sponsor: 50+ scholars from Protestant, Catholic, Orthodox, and Jewish backgrounds for the National Council of Churches USA
ESV (English Standard Version)
The ESV translation was conducted in the late 1990s by about 100 evangelical scholars
the ESV endeavored to hold to an “essentially literal” approach that emphasizes word-for-word accuracy and fidelity
NASB (New American Standard Bible)
Throughout these improvements, though, the NASB has held closely to a strict word-for-word equivalence. This makes it a good choice for scholars and anyone looking for a very close adherence to the original structure and wording of the Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek texts.
I say ------If people would spend as much time doing the word as they do trying to push one Bible as being the right one ----or criticizing this or that in scripture ---- they would be a lot better off in my view ----Doing the word brings peace to your Body and Mind --trying to decide what Bible you should follow brings nothing but confusion and turmoil to your body and mind -----which comes from Satan not God Folks ----
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Not good. 
It is a bunch of Satanic nonsense, and it finds its origins in a terribly translated verse in the KJV. Of course, our resident KJV Onlyists will never acknowledge the same.
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Once again, you can't simply defend your position, but you know there's something wrong with your attack on those who differ with you so you grey it out.
And please, stop adding the blank lines and white ellipsis at the end of your posts. There is absolutely no need for it, and it's annoying to have to delete it when I quote you.
And please, stop adding the blank lines and white ellipsis at the end of your posts. There is absolutely no need for it, and it's annoying to have to delete it when I quote you.
KJV only folks will give you a pass on any false doctrine.....As long as you are KJV only. Who cares about any other doctrine.
KJV only is THE DOCTRINE.
You really need to get back to reality.
The Gospel is fine with all these "modern versions" But false doctrines come from all these "modern versions."
You believe false doctrines from the KJV.....But your KJV only buddies won't call you out on them.
KJV only comes first.
KJV only is THE DOCTRINE.
You really need to get back to reality.
The Gospel is fine with all these "modern versions" But false doctrines come from all these "modern versions."
You believe false doctrines from the KJV.....But your KJV only buddies won't call you out on them.
KJV only comes first.
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The natural man, who can neither receive nor comprehend the spiritual things of God, and is a lover of darkness, a slave to sin, captive to the will of the devil- along with the rest of the natural world which is under the influence of the evil one- suppressing the truth in unrighteousness etc etc... yeah, that guy that Scripture has so much to say about, who does not exist in the mind set of free willers, has no ability nor inclination, with his stony heart and inherently hostile-to-God mind, to make "a moral decision" (as if that is what belief is positioned upon) to believe that which is foolishness to him. People like sheishere continually misrepresent what others believe, just as they stubbornly misrepresent Scripture, by ascribing to the natural man characteristics and abilities possessed only by the spiritual man.
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No offense, but for you to say this, I don’t think you have really properly done your homework on this topic. At the beginning of my faith when I was KJV-only in the 1990s, I was really ignorant. I only knew of a few differences and I knew nothing of proper Bible history. However, in the last few years, I have heavily examined the two lines of Bibles and I know there are major differences. Not only are there the heretical changed doctrines (which you seem to be clueless of), but there are the men behind the Modern Bible Movement that should make a Christian want to puke. If you watch my debate, I quickly go through the changed doctrines. However, I am planning to update my PowerPoint slides and offer them as a free download for anyone to examine them more closely (hopefully by early March). I may even add a few slides to touch briefly upon the two lines of Bibles in history. I am planning to also offer a more revamped reading of my slide and make it available on YouTube. After all, my opening debate was under a very limited time limit. I went for approximately 24 minutes and was very rushed.
Technically, I am not even KJV-only. While I believe the KJV is the perfect words of God in 17th century English, I also believe it is a must to look to the Hebrew, and the Greek. On the one hand, while Modern Translations are corrupt, and should be warned against, on the other hand, I also believe that Modern Bibles can be helpful to flesh out the meaning in the KJV on rare occasions. However, I only encourage believers to do use a Modern Bible if they are aware of the agenda of those who seek to change the uncommon words in the KJV and they know of proper Bible history. For there is a war on words involving the Bible. Modern scholars seek to change the meaning of even the uncommon words in the KJV to favor the Critical Text Bibles. Again, you have no clue about this war or fight unless you researched it carefully.
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Technically, I am not even KJV-only. While I believe the KJV is the perfect words of God in 17th century English, I also believe it is a must to look to the Hebrew, and the Greek. On the one hand, while Modern Translations are corrupt, and should be warned against, on the other hand, I also believe that Modern Bibles can be helpful to flesh out the meaning in the KJV on rare occasions. However, I only encourage believers to do use a Modern Bible if they are aware of the agenda of those who seek to change the uncommon words in the KJV and they know of proper Bible history. For there is a war on words involving the Bible. Modern scholars seek to change the meaning of even the uncommon words in the KJV to favor the Critical Text Bibles. Again, you have no clue about this war or fight unless you researched it carefully.
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As a person who grew up reading and understanding the Hebrew Language I can say with certainty there's no such thing as other translations. The Greek itself is however a mixture of dialects much like the Chinese Languages. That's why you might have several meanings for a single word.
But the issue is when you take the Greek with multiple choices for a single word and translate to the English Language that also can have several options to a single word then you will never have a precise translation EVER.
I will add what allows the Hebrew Language to have multiple meanings is each letter of the Hebrew Alphabet also carries a Numerical Value.
But the issue is when you take the Greek with multiple choices for a single word and translate to the English Language that also can have several options to a single word then you will never have a precise translation EVER.
I will add what allows the Hebrew Language to have multiple meanings is each letter of the Hebrew Alphabet also carries a Numerical Value.
Cannot God give us his words in English? I could care less if it’s a word for word, I’m talking about the exact English words I need for his word. You are limiting God.
What language did Joseph speak to his brethren in Egypt? He spoke Egyptian, and yet, the words were translated into Hebrew, and that Hebrew translation is the so called original.
Did Jesus read the book of Isiah which was in Hebrew, and yet, he read it in Greek, and that translation became the original?
God can speak English, and if he wanted, he could translate the originals into English, and that English translation would be the perfect and pure words for the English language.
What language did Joseph speak to his brethren in Egypt? He spoke Egyptian, and yet, the words were translated into Hebrew, and that Hebrew translation is the so called original.
Did Jesus read the book of Isiah which was in Hebrew, and yet, he read it in Greek, and that translation became the original?
God can speak English, and if he wanted, he could translate the originals into English, and that English translation would be the perfect and pure words for the English language.