Is Jesus Christ a God ?
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The truth is there is only one God who is a Holy Spirit.
Amen!
Father is a title for God as our parent,and the Son is the man Christ Jesus.
Yes, alright.
The reason the Son has no beginning,although He is humanity,is because God manifest all His attributes to the man Christ Jesus,which makes that man the personal human body of God Himself,and God has no beginning.
The reason Christ has no beginning is because He has no beginning. He had glory with the Father before the world was even made, and "I am (John 8:28)" before Abraham even existed.
So the Son has to come after the Father or else Son has no meaning.
The Son,the man Christ Jesus,came after the Father giving the term Son meaning.
I think it just took on a different meaning when He was born in the flesh.
The Bible says that when the fulness of time came God sent forth His Son,made of a woman,made under the law,and was made according to the flesh,not created in heaven,and not created before the law.
The Son had His start when conceived by the Holy Spirit.
Ahem, "born," not "made." The Son never had a start.
The problem is people do not understand some of the terminology or meaning in the Bible of some things,even some oneness people,to understand that it all relates to oneness,and can be explained to be oneness.
Who spoke in the cloud to Jesus?
The Lamb was slain from the foundation of the world(Revelation 13:8),although it did not happen until 4000 years later,so using that terminology would mean,that the Son can exist in the beginning even though He was not born and had substance until 4000 years later,for God calls things that have not yet happened,as though they already happened.
God is eternal, so everything has already happened.
The Bible says there is one God,and then only mentions the Father as that one God,in 2 passages of scripture.
The Bible says there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, who made the worlds (Hebrews 1:10)
If the Bible wanted to mention there is only one God,and then leave it at that,the trinitarians might think 3 persons but 1 God,and think they are justified,but when the Bible says there is one God,and then only mentions the Father as that one God,then we know there is no trinity because it only mentions the Father as that one God.
By your logic Jesus is the only Lord (Jude 4, 1 Corinthians 8:6), and the Father is not Lord. Just because it says the Father is God (like when it says "One God, the Father"), it does not mean that Jesus does not share in essence with that one God (which would therefore make Him God). He is the exact imprint of His nature.
If the Bible says one God and then mentions the Father as that one God,then it is telling us the entirety of God because it mentions who the entirety of God is,by mentioning the Father and not leaving it at one God and that is it.
So when Jesus is called "My Lord and my God!"...He is not really God?
Because it is telling us the entirety of God by saying one God,and then mentioning the Father as that one God,we know there is only one God,the Father,for if there was a trinity,it would say one God,and then mention the 3 persons if it was a trinity,for it would have to and not only mention the Father as God.
And there is one Lord, Jesus Christ. The Shema said "the LORD our God, the LORD is one."
Jesus into that monotheistic statement, by calling Him the one Lord, through whom all things were made.
But it only needs to mention the Father as God,and does not need to mention Son,for that is humanity,and does not need to mention Holy Spirit,for the Father is the Holy Spirit,so it only needs to mention Father,for why say Holy Spirit,if the Father is the Holy Spirit,which would be repeating the same person in the scripture.Only the Father is God.
That's why we know that there is a distinction between the Father and the Holy Spirit, exactly because it does mention them apart. The Divine Counselor proceeded from the Father.
The Old Testament states that when the Son comes He shall be called The everlasting Father,so what do trinitarians do with that.
We say "He's the Everlasting Father."
Why can't He be? He certainly is the Father of all creation. I believe the statement can also be literally rendered "The Father of eternity," or the "Father of Time."
He's the Father of all creation, from everlasting (Colossians 1:15-20, Hebrews 1:1-12, Romans 11:36)
It did not say the Son will represent the Father,but the Son will be called the Father,so Jesus is the visible manifestation of the Father,not a God the Son.Not only that but Jesus was conceived of the Holy Spirit,so it was the Spirit that was manifest in the flesh,not a God the Son,and the Spirit is the Father in spiritual activity,that is why it was the Spirit that moved upon the face of the deep in Genesis 1,and Jesus was conceived of the Spirit,and the Spirit dwells in us,for there is only one God the Holy Spirit.
And there is only one God, the Son and the Father, with the Holy Spirit.
It never says "the Son will be called the Father." The problem you have with citing that passage is that it also says He will be called "Mighty God." With the Father, though, Jesus is the Father of all creation because He created it.
That is why Jesus said if you have seen Me,then you have seen the Father,and it is the Father that dwells in Me,He does the works,because Jesus is the Father in a visible manifestation.Jesus is the Father manifest in the flesh,not a God the Son.
How do you explain Jesus saying that He is in the Father? He didn't just say that the Father is in Him, but that He is in the Father.
That is why Jesus said when He goes to heaven for the disciples to not ask Him anything,but only ask the Father,which Jesus is saying that the disciples go to Him as the Son,the man Christ Jesus to intercede for them to the Father while on earth,but when Jesus goes to heaven they do not ask the Son,the man Christ Jesus,to intercede for them,but they go directly to the Father,but then Jesus is the Father they go to because Jesus said in another passage of scripture that when He ascends to heaven to ask Him and He will do it.
Or, to put it in a better way, we can ask the Son and the Father! Ever thought of that answer?
So Jesus is saying when He ascends to heaven do not ask Him anything as the Son,the man Christ Jesus,but ask Him as the Father,in which Jesus said in that day He will show them plainly of the Father,and when Jesus said that the disciples then knew for certain who Jesus is,God visiting them in a human manifestation.
No, He said they could ask Him anything in His name, and He would do it. Anything they asked the Father He would do, as well as the Father. It isn't that complicated.
Father,Son,and Holy Spirit,is not 3 persons in a trinity,but the 3 relationships the one God has with His saints,which would have to have titles to identify that relationship.
I'm still trying to figure out whether you're a Oneness believer or a Unitarian...it's so hard! XD
Father-title for parent of the saints.It does not make it a first person of a trinity for Father is a title for God for His parental role in our life.
That could be true, but there is consistently one person called the Father...the Father...which probably makes Him a different sort of Father. God is our Father, but He is also our brother in Jesus Christ.
Son-God's visible relationship to the saints,for that is the only way you can see the invisible God is if He shows you a manifestation of Himself,which He did in the Son,the man Christ Jesus,which the Old Testament says that God one day will reveal a new name to the Jews and speak to them.
It does not make the Son a second person of a trinity,but God showing us a human manifestation of Himself.
Right, except that Jesus seems to say that He came down from Heaven. He was preexistant. It wasn't just that He was born in the flesh, but that before this He was in the "form of God (Philippians 2:6, where it distinguishes strictly between "form of God" and "form of a servant")
Holy Spirit-God's invisible relationship to the saints,our spiritual relationship with God.It does not make it a third person of a trinity but we can only have a spiritual relationship with the Spirit.
Wait, you can see Jesus and the Father?
No, because they're invisible too.
We can also have a spiritual relationship to the Father and Son...that was the whole reason Jesus died on the cross was to reconcile us to the Father.
Father,Son,and Holy Spirit,mentioned in the Bible,does not mean that God is telling us there is a trinity,but that God is our parent,has a visible relationship with us so we can see the invisible God,and has an invisible relationship with us,and it is the same God with no distinction of persons,that created us,came in flesh,and dwells in us.
....you can see Jesus? No, He's invisible. They're all invisible. Jesus is still sitting at God's right hand, God is still sitting on the throne.
Grace and Love
Amen!
Father is a title for God as our parent,and the Son is the man Christ Jesus.
Yes, alright.
The reason the Son has no beginning,although He is humanity,is because God manifest all His attributes to the man Christ Jesus,which makes that man the personal human body of God Himself,and God has no beginning.
The reason Christ has no beginning is because He has no beginning. He had glory with the Father before the world was even made, and "I am (John 8:28)" before Abraham even existed.
So the Son has to come after the Father or else Son has no meaning.
The Son,the man Christ Jesus,came after the Father giving the term Son meaning.
I think it just took on a different meaning when He was born in the flesh.
The Bible says that when the fulness of time came God sent forth His Son,made of a woman,made under the law,and was made according to the flesh,not created in heaven,and not created before the law.
The Son had His start when conceived by the Holy Spirit.
Ahem, "born," not "made." The Son never had a start.
The problem is people do not understand some of the terminology or meaning in the Bible of some things,even some oneness people,to understand that it all relates to oneness,and can be explained to be oneness.
Who spoke in the cloud to Jesus?
The Lamb was slain from the foundation of the world(Revelation 13:8),although it did not happen until 4000 years later,so using that terminology would mean,that the Son can exist in the beginning even though He was not born and had substance until 4000 years later,for God calls things that have not yet happened,as though they already happened.
God is eternal, so everything has already happened.
The Bible says there is one God,and then only mentions the Father as that one God,in 2 passages of scripture.
The Bible says there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, who made the worlds (Hebrews 1:10)
If the Bible wanted to mention there is only one God,and then leave it at that,the trinitarians might think 3 persons but 1 God,and think they are justified,but when the Bible says there is one God,and then only mentions the Father as that one God,then we know there is no trinity because it only mentions the Father as that one God.
By your logic Jesus is the only Lord (Jude 4, 1 Corinthians 8:6), and the Father is not Lord. Just because it says the Father is God (like when it says "One God, the Father"), it does not mean that Jesus does not share in essence with that one God (which would therefore make Him God). He is the exact imprint of His nature.
If the Bible says one God and then mentions the Father as that one God,then it is telling us the entirety of God because it mentions who the entirety of God is,by mentioning the Father and not leaving it at one God and that is it.
So when Jesus is called "My Lord and my God!"...He is not really God?
Because it is telling us the entirety of God by saying one God,and then mentioning the Father as that one God,we know there is only one God,the Father,for if there was a trinity,it would say one God,and then mention the 3 persons if it was a trinity,for it would have to and not only mention the Father as God.
And there is one Lord, Jesus Christ. The Shema said "the LORD our God, the LORD is one."
Jesus into that monotheistic statement, by calling Him the one Lord, through whom all things were made.
But it only needs to mention the Father as God,and does not need to mention Son,for that is humanity,and does not need to mention Holy Spirit,for the Father is the Holy Spirit,so it only needs to mention Father,for why say Holy Spirit,if the Father is the Holy Spirit,which would be repeating the same person in the scripture.Only the Father is God.
That's why we know that there is a distinction between the Father and the Holy Spirit, exactly because it does mention them apart. The Divine Counselor proceeded from the Father.
The Old Testament states that when the Son comes He shall be called The everlasting Father,so what do trinitarians do with that.
We say "He's the Everlasting Father."
Why can't He be? He certainly is the Father of all creation. I believe the statement can also be literally rendered "The Father of eternity," or the "Father of Time."
He's the Father of all creation, from everlasting (Colossians 1:15-20, Hebrews 1:1-12, Romans 11:36)
It did not say the Son will represent the Father,but the Son will be called the Father,so Jesus is the visible manifestation of the Father,not a God the Son.Not only that but Jesus was conceived of the Holy Spirit,so it was the Spirit that was manifest in the flesh,not a God the Son,and the Spirit is the Father in spiritual activity,that is why it was the Spirit that moved upon the face of the deep in Genesis 1,and Jesus was conceived of the Spirit,and the Spirit dwells in us,for there is only one God the Holy Spirit.
And there is only one God, the Son and the Father, with the Holy Spirit.
It never says "the Son will be called the Father." The problem you have with citing that passage is that it also says He will be called "Mighty God." With the Father, though, Jesus is the Father of all creation because He created it.
That is why Jesus said if you have seen Me,then you have seen the Father,and it is the Father that dwells in Me,He does the works,because Jesus is the Father in a visible manifestation.Jesus is the Father manifest in the flesh,not a God the Son.
How do you explain Jesus saying that He is in the Father? He didn't just say that the Father is in Him, but that He is in the Father.
That is why Jesus said when He goes to heaven for the disciples to not ask Him anything,but only ask the Father,which Jesus is saying that the disciples go to Him as the Son,the man Christ Jesus to intercede for them to the Father while on earth,but when Jesus goes to heaven they do not ask the Son,the man Christ Jesus,to intercede for them,but they go directly to the Father,but then Jesus is the Father they go to because Jesus said in another passage of scripture that when He ascends to heaven to ask Him and He will do it.
Or, to put it in a better way, we can ask the Son and the Father! Ever thought of that answer?
So Jesus is saying when He ascends to heaven do not ask Him anything as the Son,the man Christ Jesus,but ask Him as the Father,in which Jesus said in that day He will show them plainly of the Father,and when Jesus said that the disciples then knew for certain who Jesus is,God visiting them in a human manifestation.
No, He said they could ask Him anything in His name, and He would do it. Anything they asked the Father He would do, as well as the Father. It isn't that complicated.
Father,Son,and Holy Spirit,is not 3 persons in a trinity,but the 3 relationships the one God has with His saints,which would have to have titles to identify that relationship.
I'm still trying to figure out whether you're a Oneness believer or a Unitarian...it's so hard! XD
Father-title for parent of the saints.It does not make it a first person of a trinity for Father is a title for God for His parental role in our life.
That could be true, but there is consistently one person called the Father...the Father...which probably makes Him a different sort of Father. God is our Father, but He is also our brother in Jesus Christ.
Son-God's visible relationship to the saints,for that is the only way you can see the invisible God is if He shows you a manifestation of Himself,which He did in the Son,the man Christ Jesus,which the Old Testament says that God one day will reveal a new name to the Jews and speak to them.
It does not make the Son a second person of a trinity,but God showing us a human manifestation of Himself.
Right, except that Jesus seems to say that He came down from Heaven. He was preexistant. It wasn't just that He was born in the flesh, but that before this He was in the "form of God (Philippians 2:6, where it distinguishes strictly between "form of God" and "form of a servant")
Holy Spirit-God's invisible relationship to the saints,our spiritual relationship with God.It does not make it a third person of a trinity but we can only have a spiritual relationship with the Spirit.
Wait, you can see Jesus and the Father?
No, because they're invisible too.
We can also have a spiritual relationship to the Father and Son...that was the whole reason Jesus died on the cross was to reconcile us to the Father.
Father,Son,and Holy Spirit,mentioned in the Bible,does not mean that God is telling us there is a trinity,but that God is our parent,has a visible relationship with us so we can see the invisible God,and has an invisible relationship with us,and it is the same God with no distinction of persons,that created us,came in flesh,and dwells in us.
....you can see Jesus? No, He's invisible. They're all invisible. Jesus is still sitting at God's right hand, God is still sitting on the throne.
Grace and Love
God is SPirit not a man,God is not flesh and no flesh inherits the kingdom of God for His kingdomm is Spirit. . He came to Jesus in SPirit and opend heaven to the man in Matt 3:16. The same is suposed to happen in you all. To worship a man as a god is to deny the god of SPirit that comes and makes His abode in you just as He did Jesus, and Paul, and Adam, and Moses, and Abraham, Moses 120 in an upper room and me.
Gary
Gary
Z
Read Revelation 5. Jesus is worshiped on the same level as the Father.
I don't think you understand what "no flesh inherits" the kingdom of Heaven. Did not Jesus inherit it, yet He was fully human and God?
To NOT worship Jesus means that you don't believe in Him. If you don't honor Him as you honor the Father, then you are still in your sins.
Jesus, God, is in me, and I hope He's in you.
Grace and Love
I don't think you understand what "no flesh inherits" the kingdom of Heaven. Did not Jesus inherit it, yet He was fully human and God?
To NOT worship Jesus means that you don't believe in Him. If you don't honor Him as you honor the Father, then you are still in your sins.
Jesus, God, is in me, and I hope He's in you.
Grace and Love
Hmm... What I may you answer, Romeo4u....
Apparently something that fit:
For the message of the cross is
foolishness to those who are perishing,
but to us who are being saved it is the
power of God.( 1st Corinthians 1:18)
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Jesus Christ is God and Savior for me...Amen.
Apparently something that fit:
For the message of the cross is
foolishness to those who are perishing,
but to us who are being saved it is the
power of God.( 1st Corinthians 1:18)
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Jesus Christ is God and Savior for me...Amen.
Jesus received Gods heaven when he was 30 years old, God came to the man in Spirit and opened all of heaven to him, Matt 3:16. This same event happens in us all who receive from God the same thing. Jesus cast himself off that pinnacle of a god that man tries to place him on and puts himself among the common. To say a man is a god is to deny the God that was in that man, God sent Jesus to give to you and I what he had, Jesus didn’t send God., Jesus was Gods great Idea.
And I don’t have a reference with me I am on the road and I cant quote it, but if you will do a word search on ask me nothing. Jesus said in the day you receive from God His Spirit as he did, you will ask him nothing but go to the Father for yourself, just as he did. Jesus didn’t find it robbery to be equal with God and nor do I, I and my father are one, He in me and I in Him are one, John 17. Same God in me who was in Christ Jesus no different. And you are supposed to be as well.
Gary
And I don’t have a reference with me I am on the road and I cant quote it, but if you will do a word search on ask me nothing. Jesus said in the day you receive from God His Spirit as he did, you will ask him nothing but go to the Father for yourself, just as he did. Jesus didn’t find it robbery to be equal with God and nor do I, I and my father are one, He in me and I in Him are one, John 17. Same God in me who was in Christ Jesus no different. And you are supposed to be as well.
Gary
Z
Gary - We're *not* equal with God. That is what a person who believes we can become gods would say.
Anyways, I understand that you're on the road, but that doesn't give you an excuse to take a verse out of context.
Let's look in the context, shall we?
(and I'll be using the NASB for your info. )
John 16:16-33
16 “A little while, and you will no longer see Me; and again a little while, and you will see Me.” 17 Some of His disciples then said to one another, “What is this thing He is telling us, ‘A little while, and you will not see Me; and again a little while, and you will see Me’; and, ‘because I go to the Father’?” 18 So they were saying, “What is this that He says, ‘A little while’? We do not know what He is talking about.” 19 Jesus knew that they wished to question Him, and He said to them, “Are you deliberating together about this, that I said, ‘A little while, and you will not see Me, and again a little while, and you will see Me’? 20 Truly, truly, I say to you, that you will weep and lament, but the world will rejoice; you will grieve, but your grief will be turned into joy. 21 Whenever a woman is in labor she has [d]pain, because her hour has come; but when she gives birth to the child, she no longer remembers the anguish because of the joy that a [e]child has been born into the world. 22 Therefore you too have grief now; but I will see you again, and your heart will rejoice, and no one will take your joy away from you.
Prayer Promises
23 In that day you will not question Me about anything. Truly, truly, I say to you, if you ask the Father for anything in My name, He will give it to you. 24 Until now you have asked for nothing in My name; ask and you will receive, so that your joy may be made full.
25 “These things I have spoken to you in [f]figurative language; an hour is coming when I will no longer speak to you in figurative language, but will tell you plainly of the Father. 26 In that day you will ask in My name, and I do not say to you that I will request of the Father on your behalf; 27 for the Father Himself loves you, because you have loved Me and have believed that I came forth from the Father. 28 I came forth from the Father and have come into the world; I am leaving the world again and going to the Father.”
(Note that he "came forth" from the Father - This implies more than just being sent as other prophets)
29 His disciples *said, “Lo, now You are speaking plainly and are not [h]using a figure of speech. 30 Now we know that You know all things, and have no need for anyone to question You; by this we believe that You came from God.” 31 Jesus answered them, “Do you now believe? 32 Behold, an hour is coming, and has already come, for you to be scattered, each to his own home, and to leave Me alone; and yet I am not alone, because the Father is with Me. 33 These things I have spoken to you, so that in Me you may have peace. In the world you have tribulation, but take courage; I have overcome the world.”
He is talking about His coming Resurrection. “A little while, and you will no longer see Me; and again a little while, and you will see Me.” (verse 16). Up to that point He had been using parables, and they had been asking Him many things. But, He says that when they see Him again they will not need to question anymore, for they will truly know who He is and what He came for. "These things I have spoken to you, so that in Me you may have peace. In the world you have tribulation, but take courage; I have overcome the world.” (verse 33)
I am happy to ask Him for anything; for He Himself will do it (John 14:14). I can ask no other human being except for " the one who came from heaven--the Son of Man." (John 3:13)
Grace and Love
Anyways, I understand that you're on the road, but that doesn't give you an excuse to take a verse out of context.
Let's look in the context, shall we?
(and I'll be using the NASB for your info. )
John 16:16-33
16 “A little while, and you will no longer see Me; and again a little while, and you will see Me.” 17 Some of His disciples then said to one another, “What is this thing He is telling us, ‘A little while, and you will not see Me; and again a little while, and you will see Me’; and, ‘because I go to the Father’?” 18 So they were saying, “What is this that He says, ‘A little while’? We do not know what He is talking about.” 19 Jesus knew that they wished to question Him, and He said to them, “Are you deliberating together about this, that I said, ‘A little while, and you will not see Me, and again a little while, and you will see Me’? 20 Truly, truly, I say to you, that you will weep and lament, but the world will rejoice; you will grieve, but your grief will be turned into joy. 21 Whenever a woman is in labor she has [d]pain, because her hour has come; but when she gives birth to the child, she no longer remembers the anguish because of the joy that a [e]child has been born into the world. 22 Therefore you too have grief now; but I will see you again, and your heart will rejoice, and no one will take your joy away from you.
Prayer Promises
23 In that day you will not question Me about anything. Truly, truly, I say to you, if you ask the Father for anything in My name, He will give it to you. 24 Until now you have asked for nothing in My name; ask and you will receive, so that your joy may be made full.
25 “These things I have spoken to you in [f]figurative language; an hour is coming when I will no longer speak to you in figurative language, but will tell you plainly of the Father. 26 In that day you will ask in My name, and I do not say to you that I will request of the Father on your behalf; 27 for the Father Himself loves you, because you have loved Me and have believed that I came forth from the Father. 28 I came forth from the Father and have come into the world; I am leaving the world again and going to the Father.”
(Note that he "came forth" from the Father - This implies more than just being sent as other prophets)
29 His disciples *said, “Lo, now You are speaking plainly and are not [h]using a figure of speech. 30 Now we know that You know all things, and have no need for anyone to question You; by this we believe that You came from God.” 31 Jesus answered them, “Do you now believe? 32 Behold, an hour is coming, and has already come, for you to be scattered, each to his own home, and to leave Me alone; and yet I am not alone, because the Father is with Me. 33 These things I have spoken to you, so that in Me you may have peace. In the world you have tribulation, but take courage; I have overcome the world.”
He is talking about His coming Resurrection. “A little while, and you will no longer see Me; and again a little while, and you will see Me.” (verse 16). Up to that point He had been using parables, and they had been asking Him many things. But, He says that when they see Him again they will not need to question anymore, for they will truly know who He is and what He came for. "These things I have spoken to you, so that in Me you may have peace. In the world you have tribulation, but take courage; I have overcome the world.” (verse 33)
I am happy to ask Him for anything; for He Himself will do it (John 14:14). I can ask no other human being except for " the one who came from heaven--the Son of Man." (John 3:13)
Grace and Love
Only the one that came down from heaven has made Him known - Jesus from Nazareth
John 3:13
No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven, the Son of Man.
John 1:18
No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.
John 3:13
No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven, the Son of Man.
John 1:18
No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.
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Whats so antichristian about quoting scripture directly from the Bible and saying heh, I picked something up here.... Jesus is the Son of God, not God. Thats his opinion, why does it scare you?
He might be anti church doctrine, but anti christ...big statement...big accusation.
He's reading the words of God and you just brought this dead thread back to the first page again.
He might be anti church doctrine, but anti christ...big statement...big accusation.
He's reading the words of God and you just brought this dead thread back to the first page again.
R
There is no god the son....only the Son of God
The Son (Jesus) is God the everlasting Father
"For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace."
-Isaiah 9:6 (KJV)
I challenge anyone. Show me one verse and the book where some one was baptized in "the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost" (in the Titles).
If I was on an airplane and I was asked to figure out what city we are at after they they told me we are flying over a big city with a great college and many attractions a city with a big population with the top ranking restaurants. Do you know what city it is? Then how is it that you say the name of Jesus Christ is not important in water baptism?
Read Acts 2:38,39
The Son (Jesus) is God the everlasting Father
"For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace."
-Isaiah 9:6 (KJV)
I challenge anyone. Show me one verse and the book where some one was baptized in "the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost" (in the Titles).
If I was on an airplane and I was asked to figure out what city we are at after they they told me we are flying over a big city with a great college and many attractions a city with a big population with the top ranking restaurants. Do you know what city it is? Then how is it that you say the name of Jesus Christ is not important in water baptism?
Read Acts 2:38,39
N
And that is the heresy known as "modalism" and it is biblically unsound.
Mat_28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
We don't need a scripture showing this being done since this comes from the mouth of Jesus. Miullions upon millions literally have been baptised this exact way. Baptising in the name of JEsus alone is no contradiction because the name is "God's saviour" and the Holy Spirit is always present with them, and there you have all three even in one name.
Mat_28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
We don't need a scripture showing this being done since this comes from the mouth of Jesus. Miullions upon millions literally have been baptised this exact way. Baptising in the name of JEsus alone is no contradiction because the name is "God's saviour" and the Holy Spirit is always present with them, and there you have all three even in one name.