alright, let's get to the top & bottom of this: do you believe a saved Christian can lose salvation?
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So believer08 said I was making accusations with no scripture and he put me on ignore. There’s a difference between accusations and opinions. The context of my post was solid opinionated. Funny how I knew hed find a way not to answer the two questions that I was trying to prove something with. How convenient. Good move though. ( you didn’t have the slightest clue did you?)
Repudiate may mean refuse to accept, but it also can mean to:
renounce, abandon, forswear, give up, turn one's back on,
have nothing more to do with, wash one's hands of
have no more truck with, abjure, disavow, recant
desert, discard, disown, cast off, lay aside
cut off, rebuff, forsake, disprofess
IOW, commit apostasy.
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Believer08
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I already answered this in post #930.
https://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/the-problem-of-the-statement-of-“never-saved-to-begin-with”.218102/page-47#post-5465333
Would you mind answering my question I asked?
https://christianchat.com/bible-dis...ed-to-begin-with”.218102/page-50#post-5465618
I think you and I agree that a saved Christian can commit apostasy per HB 6:4-6 or repudiate saving faith, meaning:
renounce, abandon, forswear, give up, turn one's back on,
have nothing more to do with, wash one's hands of
have no more truck with, abjure, disavow, recant
desert, discard, disown, cast off, lay aside
cut off, rebuff, forsake, disprofess
saving faith.
you do change subjects, at least, a bit, according to your ? here. i tell everyone, OSAS! no other truth anywhere in the Bible. let's not go round & round. we both believe in OSAS. there's no such thing as falling away but there is backsliding. falling away is totally out of salvation. can't happen.
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Believer08
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I do not believe in the impossibility of apostasy (OSAS).
If they end up departing from the faith, you’ll say they were never saved, correct?
this is overdone now. i'm backing out of this talk. blessings to you forever Believer08.
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Believer08
Guest
Have you ever considered that someone’s doubts and struggles were a genuine crisis of faith, rather than a sign of false conversion?
Instead of automatically saying someone wasn't “truly saved”, could they not be possibly experiencing a season of genuine spiritual struggles?
If we omit the misapplication some attach in order to demean eternal salvation,often referred to as OSAS but misrepresented by opponents,we may see that God tells us his Salvation is eternal and as Jesus said, irrevocable.
2 Corinthians 5:10 There are degrees of suffering for those who are not able to enter heaven because they are not born again. Likewise, Jesus also rewards us according to what we have done on earth. This has nothing to do with salvation.
Matthew 25:21 I believe that the church will be the rulers of the earth during the millennial reign of Jesus. Those who serve faithfully now will have responsibilities in the Kingdom of God.
Rewards are also in the form of crowns:
The Everlasting Crown (Victory) in 1 Cor 9:25
The Crown of the Soul Winner in Phil 4:1 and 1 Thes 2:19,
The Crown of Righteousness in 2 Tim 4:8,
The Crown of Life in James 1:12 and Rev 2:10,
The Crown of Glory in 1 Peter 5:4
1 Corinthians 3:12-15 Some Christians' works are a result of their own ambitions, produced by their own talents, efforts and without ensuring that God initiated the work. They then ask God to bless the work. Yet that work will be judged as worthless and will be burned up. Others have allowed God to lead and empower them. Their works are according to God's will, not by their self will. Such works will survive the fire of God's judgement and so be rewarded. (vs 15)
Personally, I do not think much about rewards. Perhaps that is one of my failings. My main desire is to finish the course that God has for me in this life. I would like to be able to say, as Paul did, that I've run the race and reached the finish line. I'll be 74 soon and time is short.
I have a hard time grasping the idea that people actually believe that God lets us choose who’s going to hang out at his place with him for eternity. Yeah, there’s going to be all kinds of glory for him in that scenario!!!
You don't know the difference between quote and surmise, do you?
Be honest, people are watching.
apostasy
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: an act of refusing to continue to follow, obey, or recognize a religious faith
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: abandonment of a previous loyalty : defection
What part of this definition do you disagree with?