This Old Ship (report please)

[PAC-fit]

This old Ship, the glorious Church of the Lord Jesus Christ, I feel it safe to say by now, after our brother the Apostle gave a bit of advice to beware we could take stock at some point (although forgetting things behind Phil 3:13) , ,

For I know this, that after my departure savage wolves
will come in among you, not sparing the flock. (Acts 20:29)​

After 2000yrs sometime not long after him saying this of himself alone (not the other Apostles) I feel this damage he spoke of the Church sustaining, I am sure transpired. Question is, did it come upon her as a flood, so much so to be strong enough to offset Church traditions, succession of oversight, corrupt certain councils, or rather as a series of lesser attacks throughout the ages?

Was the damage incurred quite significant? Was it strewn throughout in multiple tribulations of ages past, or some condensed unfortunate era of noticeable loss?

Report please!

 

[tourist]

Never heard about This Old Ship but used to watch This Old House.

 

[PAC-fit]

Never heard about This Old Ship but used to watch This Old House.

The B&H breakup was bitter. Bob may not have been that likable off-camera. However, Old House or Old Boat, as long as she ain't taking on water mate (Gal 5:9).

 

[Deuteronomy]

Hello @PAC-fit, I believe that the Apostle Paul's words in Acts 20 were for/about the church at Ephesus specifically (at least in the immediate sense anyway) because everything that he describes in Acts 20:28-31, from his warnings about false teachers and false prophets coming into the church (like wolves from outside it .. v29), to the rise of false teachers within the Ephesian church itself (v30), to his own departure from Ephesus (he'd been with them for 3 years at that point, yes?), happened.

Also, various accounts of what happened are seen in Ephesians 5, 1 & 2 Timothy where I believe that Paul mentions the names of some of the false prophets to Timothy (who succeeded him in the church at Ephesus as their pastor), and more is said in the opening verses of Revelation 2, as well.

We are an army on the move (offense) for God and Satan continues (even today) to do his best to defend his strongholds whenever he sees us as a threat (cf 2 Corinthians 10:3-6) by fighting back against us as we advance the Kingdom (even though he/Satan already knows, like we do, that the gates of Hell will not prevail against us and, most importantly, that the war is already lost, PTL).

That the Ephesian church heeded the Apostle's warnings and survived the onslaught in fairly good shape seems clear from the Lord's words in Revelation 2:1-7.

God bless you!!

~Deuteronomy (David)

 

[homwardbound]

Matthew 12:22-30

Authorized (King James) Version



22 Then was brought unto him one possessed with a devil, blind, and dumb: and he healed him, insomuch that the blind and dumb both spake and saw. 23 And all the people were amazed, and said, Is not this the son of David? 24 But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils. 25 And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand: 26 and if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand? 27 And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your children cast them out? therefore they shall be your judges. 28 But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you. 29 Or else how can one enter into a strong man’s house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man? and then he will spoil his house. 30 He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.

John 3:6
That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

First birth of all people is flesh birth. Each are born with the knowledge of good and evil. Each chooses for themselves, what is good or not good for them, as others choose differently and we argue over that. then have made groups out of that, kicking out those that don't agree with their way of thinking. Ends up Church on Earth in a building that God never built, man has done that and Called it is of God, when it is not, What?


Authorized (King James) Version
Hebrews 8:1-4


8 Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens; 2 a minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man. 3 For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: wherefore it is of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer. 4 For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law:

Flesh has built the Church here on earth, God has built this new Church (Ecclesia) in Father's Spirit and Truth in us to be new in Love to all, God Father's Love as in (1 Cor 13:4-7), here and now in the present given us. New life for us in his risen Son to us. Only if one can settle this truth within themselves, by God Father through Son on that cross reconciled them as forgiven forever by himself for us all to stand in thanksgiving and praise seeing all sin by Son is now taken away as far as the east is from the west
Psalm 103:12 fulfilled, the new heart in Ezekiel 36:26 offered us all to ask Father for it and be new in Daddy's Spirit and Truth, the Holy Spirit for us, us willing to be led new and learn from any and all mistakes made, willingly learn and be accountable, stable for any mistakes made, between God and you above it all.
Looking at what King David said after Nathan the Prophet exposed him in his wrongs he did.
David saw, not only did he do wrong to those people, he sincerely did God wrong and the repentance changed his mind to be new in trust to God above it all, and saw and asked Father to lead. David a man after Father's own heart
How about us, do we see this in us to see we have not only done others wrong, we have more importantly done God Father wrong, as Jesus in his walk revealed to us all as we ar not perfect and need Father to lead as Son did first? Who was and is perfect in our stead, to get adopted inn as if never sinned, what?
Col 1:21-23 then see freedom in chapter 2

 

[Hakawaka]

This old Ship, the glorious Church of the Lord Jesus Christ, I feel it safe to say by now, after our brother the Apostle gave a bit of advice to beware we could take stock at some point (although forgetting things behind Phil 3:13) , ,

For I know this, that after my departure savage wolves
will come in among you, not sparing the flock. (Acts 20:29)​

After 2000yrs sometime not long after him saying this of himself alone (not the other Apostles) I feel this damage he spoke of the Church sustaining, I am sure transpired. Question is, did it come upon her as a flood, so much so to be strong enough to offset Church traditions, succession of oversight, corrupt certain councils, or rather as a series of lesser attacks throughout the ages?

Was the damage incurred quite significant? Was it strewn throughout in multiple tribulations of ages past, or some condensed unfortunate era of noticeable loss?

Report please!

I would argue this is talking about the so called church fathers post-nicene who turned the church into what is known as the roman catholic church.

 

[GWH]

This old Ship, the glorious Church of the Lord Jesus Christ, I feel it safe to say by now, after our brother the Apostle gave a bit of advice to beware we could take stock at some point (although forgetting things behind Phil 3:13) , ,

For I know this, that after my departure savage wolves
will come in among you, not sparing the flock. (Acts 20:29)​

After 2000yrs sometime not long after him saying this of himself alone (not the other Apostles) I feel this damage he spoke of the Church sustaining, I am sure transpired. Question is, did it come upon her as a flood, so much so to be strong enough to offset Church traditions, succession of oversight, corrupt certain councils, or rather as a series of lesser attacks throughout the ages?

Was the damage incurred quite significant? Was it strewn throughout in multiple tribulations of ages past, or some condensed unfortunate era of noticeable loss?

Report please!

Paul reported that some souls have blasphemed by rejecting perseverance and a good conscience
and so have suffered spiritual shipwreck. (1TM 1:19-20)

 

[PAC-fit]

Satan already knows, like we do, that the gates of Hell will not prevail against us and, most importantly, that the war is already lost, PTL).

That the Ephesian church heeded the Apostle's warnings and survived the onslaught in fairly good shape seems clear from the Lord's words in Revelation 2:1-7.

Yes, although not without a bit-of-scrape with the Lord over walking away from their ''first love''.

''Therefore remember from where you have fallen, and repent
and do the deeds you did at first; or else I am coming to you
and will remove your lampstand out of its place
—unless you repent.'' (Rev 2:5)

I am just as big a promoter of His victorious Church as most any, yet, how many of us in that vein wish to include with our liberty, the expected state of responsibility He is outlining as here? Would an assembly be recognized that have had her lampstand removed if we were to frequent her? If that assembly was somehow overcome, whenever they read ''shall not prevail'', to them the reality is, what they are reading about is an invisible victor.

 

[PAC-fit]

I would argue this is talking about the so called church fathers post-nicene who turned the church into what is known as the roman catholic church.

Wouldn't at all surprise me, if there were a good number of us here who resist their claim of authority. For years, friends have captivated me from this sect in Christian dialog. And I never found a suitable response from (the scholarly competent) them for the likelihood of their pontiff extending a reasonable hand of fellowship and unity for their ''separated brethren''.

 

[PAC-fit]

First birth of all people is flesh birth. Each are born with the knowledge of good and evil. Each chooses for themselves, what is good or not good for them, as others choose differently and we argue over that. then have made groups out of that, kicking out those that don't agree with their way of thinking. Ends up Church on Earth in a building that God never built, man has done that and Called it is of God, when it is not, What?

Well, yes in the well-derived decision making.

Col 1:21-23 then see freedom in chapter 2

That's a broad brushstroke there brother, from being steadfast in the hope to highlighting the Lord's wealth. So, am I correct in hearing you seeing this as all within His capable means to bring us out from however much man has self-inflicted. He will still deliver?

 

[PAC-fit]

Paul reported that some souls have blasphemed by rejecting perseverance and a good conscience
and so have suffered spiritual shipwreck. (1TM 1:19-20)

Ah-yeah, I am in the understanding, this brother was not all that well liked for the level of insistence he was known for. This call-out wasn't that far from 1Tim 5:20. And with such a detail for oversight to accept the same level of holy perseverance, fast-forward to these last-days being a mega-intensification of what out ancient brotherhood endured, how much LESS would such a call-out last today?

 

[homwardbound]

Well, yes in the well-derived decision making.

That's a broad brushstroke there brother, from being steadfast in the hope to highlighting the Lord's wealth. So, am I correct in hearing you seeing this as all within His capable means to bring us out from however much man has self-inflicted. He will still deliver?

Absolutely, God desires no one to perish
God could just do it, and it be done, yet would that be true Love?
Free choice to choose to believe God or not, is all that got left after Son reconciled all flesh unto himself for us all as forgiven, reconciled. that got done in the willing death. Which does not save anyone, only reconciles (2 Cor 5:17-20). he had to go to a willing death first, before any new life to be imputed in us through anyone willing to have this done from Daddy. And God Father sees each persons motive, and therefore gives or does not yet give
For example, I want to not lie. I see me not lying, what goes on in me not lying, me seeing it?
Do I, you and others get proud over not lying anymore? Do we think we better than others?
God imputes truth, where I see those that see and do not do certain things any longer are either humble in that or are a person better than others as said in Luke 18:9-14
Motive, is what Father sees and therefore imputes truth in his children that are as willing as Son was all the way to that cross without any flesh fight in return. That is what God does in his children. And each child is in a different growth spurt learning new over old things of their first birth on earth in flesh. Learn John 4:23-24 Truth, God came to save our souls through God's Spirit living in us and anyone eventually agrees with God, for that to be done in them too. taking no credit in self doing it anymore.
Thanks Brother, friend in the Father and Son having received the Holy Spirit as your guide also
A Question
How can I, you or anyone else, including God get anyone to love them back, without taking away any free will?
I know I can't take away anyone's free will, if I do and see anyone to say to me I love you.
Then I would know that cannot be true, since I manipulated the love out of them, using free choice to get them in. How many of us people do that or have done that?
God will not force or manipulate anyone to love God back, that is just a fact to me presently and forever in me, thanks to God for us all, reconciling us all by Son, waiting to give new life to the next person, having no ulterior motive to be given it